[01:20:33] <.imamy., replying to jph2> [1/2] TAGGING MEME // Keepsake 😆 [01:20:33] <.imamy., replying to jph2> [2/2] One Does Not Simply // Learn All Of MediaWiki [01:36:06] exactly [02:18:10] On miraheze each wiki has its own db, but only each database server has a instance of the DB software running [02:18:49] In addition to the mhglobal db which is on one of the DB server [02:54:55] The pain of having your wiki server nested in a non wiki server is people with no experience trying to tell you how things should be run... [02:56:10] [1/2] I've said so many times "yes I need all these channels organization is important" [02:56:11] [2/2] "Okay but we can get rid of the tech and expansion channels right" [05:34:07] [1/2] another mammoth is leaving the ship [05:34:08] [2/2] https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/17sb3dy/official_announcement_dota_2_wiki_will_be_moving/ [05:34:47] I just recently checked on them because my recently migrated wiki is MOBA themed too [05:39:25] they still haven't settled on hosting though [06:57:31] hear me out [06:57:38] american revolution [06:57:42] but with tanks [06:58:46] you have Challenger IIs and Leopard Is (Hessians) fighting M4 Shermans and AMX-30s operated by Americans [06:59:10] dont forget the superior colonial possession the 2014 Dodge Challenger [10:23:44] <_______________________________d> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_is_BFDI_not_allowed_on_Wikipedia%3F [10:24:05] <_______________________________d> This is the most oddly specific Wikipedia page ever [10:27:22] it's very much same shit on why there's no article about Miraheze lol [10:27:29] lack of notability [10:27:42] despite existing for 8 years now [10:28:06] wiki.gg is more likely to get an article if gaming news sites will start cover it [10:31:15] <_______________________________d> Honestly the article seems more like a weird protest against GNG [10:31:45] <_______________________________d> than an essay educating people about what GNG is [10:48:09] i love wikipedia essays and humorous pages. this is one of my faves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars [10:48:19] if a wikipedian called me lame i would simply die [12:14:44] Well besides the notability issue, historically weve not had the best relationship with WMF, but it has been improving the last year or so [12:15:51] I remember such comments but man, that's quite a petty excuse?? [12:16:19] I mean to be a devil’s advocate I can understand where they were coming from [12:26:15] [1/2] more detailed info on how backups/dumps used to work/works on fandom [12:26:16] [2/2] [14:29:42] "video too tall" go home search console, you're drunk x) [14:30:58] I had this error too lol [14:31:25] honestly, search console errors are so annoying [14:32:27] it's been ages but there's still no unique way to work in search consoles to work w/ wiki sites [14:32:43] hence why fandom does all this shit w/ mediawiki [14:34:04] [1/2] these pages are not indexed because you made them nofollow!!!!!!! FIX IT [14:34:04] [2/2] no you dumbass, mediawiki did, and you aren't even supposed to check on fucking w/index pages [14:37:11] yeah I'm not entirely sure how the whole search console thing works, I mostly just use it to look at pretty graphs lol [15:07:06] Maybe i should talk with some journalist friends so the cover Miraheze in articles and we can use that articles as references 😄 [15:47:19] imagine [15:47:26] having such a childish fanbase [15:47:34] that you need to tell them to calm the fuck down [15:47:34] @haya_nate43 Watch your language. [15:48:32] and yes I have a massive fucking grudge against this series because at least five people with BFDI PFPs have called me a pedophile with zero fucking substantial evidence other than "boohoo drawing" [15:48:32] @haya_nate43 Watch your language. [15:48:43] Shut the fuck up, Dyno [15:48:43] @haya_nate43 Watch your language. [15:55:19] Discord mods aware ^ [16:05:59] we've had the same issue with NIWA where like we are definitely notable but since we really can only internally reference there's nothing to be done [16:06:17] the exception would be zelda wiki given the massive popularity around the wiki fork [16:10:37] yeah, it got covered by several publications [16:10:46] along w/ Minecraft Wiki [16:11:09] and now both mentioned in article about Fandom [16:11:40] someone somewhere said that there should be a wiki about migrated wikis [16:12:16] my first thought was AWA on ShoutWiki, although I have no idea if it's even alive at this point lol [16:12:58] alliances could be documented as well [16:26:14] are wiki.gg and telepedia commercial hostings? 🤔 [16:57:21] I wanna say yes but please dont quote me as fact [17:40:52] just ask the wikiindex people to do that [17:44:32] ah [17:44:39] [1/2] there's something [17:44:39] [2/2] [17:45:34] all has to be added manually then <:ThinkerMH:912930078646730792> [17:45:53] What are you referring to as "commercial hostings" [17:46:03] i'm sure if you like, brought up the idea to them theyd jump on it [17:46:09] theyd get a bump of traffic if nothing else [17:46:34] for profit [17:46:54] Wiki.gg is definitely for profit [17:47:36] [1/2] well HKW was added just today lol [17:47:36] [2/2] [17:47:59] As for Telepedia, all of the money that has been earned on the Platform has been reinvested into the Platform; conclude about that what you will. [17:48:42] (But Telepedia Ltd is a for profit company at Companies house bht no profit has been taken [17:48:58] abxy works the same way [20:42:36] The only named director of Telepedia Limited seems to be entitled to be paid divends at any point [20:43:19] As at 30/Apr/23, it had £19.96 in the bank though and liabilities of £32.80 [20:43:34] So net negative assets of £12.84 [21:00:12] Yeah those liabilities are on my directors loan account from 2022 so not really bothered about those. [21:00:38] Since advertising through Playwire the landscape has changed drastically [21:01:07] Playwire is a good place for advertising? [21:01:17] Yes [21:01:33] You can only see yearly accounts though [21:01:52] Weird Gloop also uses Playwire and Fandom did before they brought advertising in-house [21:02:14] On companies house, yeah [21:29:30] Echoing OA, for-profit/not-for-profit/commercial hosting are distinctions that don't really tell the whole story. [21:29:58] MH, in its current pre-handover form is technically a for-profit company that doesn't charge for its services [21:30:46] WF is a for-profit company that does charge for its services but doesn't run ads and is structured more like a public benefit company [21:32:29] WT is a fully not-for-profit, no-ad experience that doesn't charge, but you'd see very little different from original MH in legal structure. [21:33:47] I'm super curious how Wiki.gg's model actuall works, as they don't actually run outside ads to my understanding... but also don't charge users for wikis? [21:36:41] idk why I had an impression they, too, put ad revenue back into platform [21:37:09] * filly [21:37:13] all ads are for the respective games they represent as wikis, especially from "official" wikis [21:37:41] so instead of horse tranqs you'll get ads for something like forza if theres a forza wiki [21:37:50] I think its mostly indie devs though [21:38:06] So how is operational funding generated then? Is it subsidized by Freedom Games, or are devs paying to advertise? [21:38:24] I believe a bit of both [21:38:40] but I'm not positive on that and don't speak authoritatively [21:39:11] For sure. I think I might hop over to their server and confirm, because I'm morbidly curious at this point as I see no other source of cash inflow [21:42:12] might also also have donations? i know they Do have ads and it Is of other wikis [21:42:20] just not the particulars [21:43:24] [1/7] Ah, found this, from PCJ: [21:43:24] [2/7] ```The ads for first-party games are how we pay the bills around here. Freedom Games is a games publisher, we make the money from selling our games. We don't make any money (directly) from sales of those 3rd party publishers who have partnered with us. [21:43:24] [3/7] In May we drove 31k clicks to games we ourselves are selling. Our average game sells for $20. If half of the people clicking on an ad for a game buy it that's $310k in revenue, which of course wiki.gg is just part of the pie. Usually we apportion 10% to wiki.gg which would be 31k/month. [21:43:25] [4/7] Not printing money like Fandom, but not going out of business either. And it scales nicely with traffic as more pageviews = more impressions = more clicks. [21:43:25] [5/7] This also ignores a lot of the benefits of having our own in-house ad platform. Right now we are pushing One Lonely Outpost at 80% because it has an upcoming release date and we are trying to reach a specific goal to be featured more broadly by Steam, having a lot of people visit the Steam page and just wishlist it (without buying) helps us as well. [21:43:25] [6/7] And I've been pursuing other ways of monetization (off-wiki), like Discord subscriber tiers and stuff like that. [21:43:26] [7/7] Is there a guarantee that wiki.gg won't be sold off? No, I don't think you can predict that. We don't have any intention of doing so now or in the future. I know I won't be going back to Fandom (again) in any case.``` [21:44:15] So how I'm reading this: They generate revenue by dint of using the network to enhance sales of first-party games (and ONLY first-party games published by Freedom Games), and reapportion ~10% of proceeds to further cover operational costs. [21:45:09] Neat and tidy mutually-beneficial model. [21:46:37] That does sound like one of the most reasonable (and probably quite effective) ad-based models I ever heard of [21:48:07] Yep, it's quite the incentive structure. Indie devs get an existing network to boost their game while providing documentation, and wiki.gg sees an ever-growing network to bolster Freedom Games' reach advertising reach as a publisher with much lower costs vs placing outside ads. [21:57:10] With OA do you mean Orion's Arm Universe Project? [22:05:09] That strategy with Freedom Games sounds good [22:11:22] Heh, no I ment Original Authority [22:14:13] The one of Telepedia [22:26:41] Yep [22:47:10] 10% of revenue made from Freedom sales is assigned to Wiki.gg which is why they so heavily push their gamss [22:48:08] Oh I see you already found that lol [22:48:24] is that a sustainable business model, though? Who knows. [22:59:18] I see the wisdom in the design at least, very novel approach