[13:19:47] wikimedia commons strikes again [13:45:38] The difficulties are on OpenStack Object Storage [14:17:49] Trying my luck here but google was randomly blocked for me [14:17:52] Does anyone know how to resolve this [14:18:12] Using microsoft edge [14:18:18] Tried chrome and google works fine [14:20:53] Nvm fixed, no idea how it got resolved but [18:06:37] [1/2] I finally watched the Stop Using Fandom video and it's great [18:06:38] [2/2] It encapsulates a lot of points on why fandom is just sucky [18:12:09] indeed [18:12:21] I already knew most of the stuff in that video but it convinced me to just stay away [18:13:02] fandom is trash [18:13:07] I read the comments and apparently they also nuked a wiki called lyricwiki [18:14:11] I already knew that fandom was bad due to past experiences and also learning about why Pikipedia moved [18:47:34] lyricwiki was in risky position by itself [18:48:03] lyrics are heavily copyrighted just like songs [18:54:31] is that a wiki that just has lyrics [18:54:46] why not just use genius or something idk [18:58:07] It had lyrics and translations for lesser known songs [18:58:36] hm, fair actually [19:00:11] Looks like Genius was originally just focused on Rap [19:00:46] genius wasn't a thing back when lyrics wiki was booming [19:01:13] what always annoyed me, in both cases, is inclusion of instrumental tracks lol [19:01:34] the wiki had over 30k articles fpr sure [19:01:44] It had much more [19:01:55] 2 million pages [19:01:56] yeah, I don't remember [19:02:09] ah, yeah [19:03:06] oh windows and their fucking updates [19:03:15] can't leave my shit unattended for 5 minutes [19:03:29] wait really [19:03:41] There's a 3 year gap [19:04:05] love being forced to update after saying no a million times 🙏 [19:04:12] Real [19:04:52] Why is a lithuanian thing the 3rd largest mediawiki? [19:05:11] the what [19:05:39] huh what does that translate to [19:06:06] every day im 1 inch closer to installing Linux ngl [19:06:12] not because of this meme in particular [19:06:14] just in general [19:06:25] EU won't have that problem soon... 😄 [19:06:27] I use Linux for any dev work [19:06:33] Oh? [19:06:37] Explain [19:06:39] I don't even think Linux is for me really tho [19:07:03] maybe I'll do one of those custom windows installations [19:07:04] Encyclopedia for Lithuania and the World [19:07:11] very interesting [19:07:22] I think they talked about making all apps unistallable [19:07:59] me who never had licensed windows [19:08:19] isn't windows 11 free? [19:08:22] what was it? ghost spectre or something [19:08:43] (title of article Microsoft will let you uninstall more built-in Windows 11 apps soon … – The Verge ) [19:08:48] a free upgrade probably lol [19:09:05] oh./ [19:09:10] I moved to 10 recently lol (first had to get used to it at my work) [19:09:36] Soon TM windows 12. [19:09:56] unfortunately [19:10:11] I think ill stick to 10 for a while [19:10:12] yea.. [19:10:25] Moving to Europe brb [19:10:28] Yea, I think it's a good idea. [19:10:44] 😄 We always invite people to EU if you can pay your taxes! [19:11:08] hiss [19:11:23] Do not speak that word [19:11:57] taxes 9%... (And that not even a joke) [19:13:38] I wonder how many people still use windows 7 [19:14:01] Hopefully 0 [19:14:12] what makes you say that [19:14:22] It's unsupported [19:14:29] well yeah [19:14:33] Windows 7 shouldn't be connected to the internet [19:14:40] 💔 [19:14:57] oh this is about some security stuff right [19:16:13] Yes [19:16:34] my 12 y/o desktop: <:xsob:912928935577276526> [19:17:49] Unfortunately I am pretty sure the number is higher than that, but yeah it a BAD idea to use an unsupported OS [19:18:15] Yes it's definitely a non zero number [19:18:29] that's fair then [19:18:39] Oh absolutely its physically impossible to get everyone to move [19:20:02] Though the fact that steam start not supporting windows 7 as well from jan 1, 2024 mighty help a bit on that number I do suspect [19:20:22] definitely [19:20:40] oh yeah isn't windows 10 support gonna end in like [19:20:59] 2025 or something [19:21:10] do not quote me on that [19:21:20] im too lazy to actually check [19:23:38] nvm I did check [19:23:44] and I was right, October 2025 [19:57:11] according to the steam hardware survey it's 1.07% [19:58:32] theres also 0.13% on windows 8.1 lol [20:03:14] quite a few on MH too: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics#mw-section-os [20:03:18] and even some Windows XP! [20:03:26] so if you think win7 is bad... [20:06:14] crazy [20:07:46] Windows 7 I can get as perhaps some just haven't had the possibility to upgrade, especially a public institution or library but Windows XP is just way too old [20:20:05] Yeah windows XP... that is bad... not only is is ancient, but its sourcecode even got leaked quite a while ago by now, which ofc just makes it even easier to find any security holes left... [20:22:10] i'd like to imagine that most of the people using windows xp online nowadays are retrocomputing enthusiasts that know what they're doing but that's sadly probably not the case [20:24:42] "knowing what you are doing" are not gonna help with security holes, unless they literally patch those things themselves... at which point, well why would you do that on the ancient XP, instead of something like a linux distro or something. So yeah in fact I would say it is MUCH more likely it is idiots who have no clue how insecure it is [20:28:30] yeah but there are definitely steps that can be taken to stay safe, and knowing the risks also definitely helps. i do agree that it's more likely people that have no idea how insecure it is but i'd like to pretend it's just retrocomputing enthusiasts [20:29:11] there might be some retrocumpting people but sadly I think the vast majority of XP users are probably institutions or people who can't afford to get rid of their ancient PCs [21:14:05] [1/2] i would love to use a windows 7 or xp if i could but im stuck with 10 [21:14:05] [2/2] reason i say that is while there are vulnerabilities i know what to look for and i don't exactly just download shit willy nilly + ad blocker [21:14:41] my main issue with newer OS's is mostly just, filling it with bloatware and making the UI look like ass [21:16:03] i enjoy the look of 7 and xp greatly [21:16:12] the sound effects too [21:16:32] there was so much theme modding on XP [21:16:39] THERE WAS [21:16:50] i missed out on it cause i was a dumb 8 year old [21:16:56] but seeing it is so cool [21:17:03] you can't customize shit now [21:17:47] there was a mario sunshine theme... and it was official [21:20:13] themes on cell phones too 😔 [21:20:27] nokia and sony ericson especially [21:21:50] smartphones still can have custom themes but it requires login or some shit, it kinda pushes me away [21:22:42] god yeah [21:23:00] i would love to make custom themes for pcs and phones [21:23:04] but alas .... [21:23:42] we've been eyeballing the wiki downtime for so long that I ended up changing our wiki Discord server's icon [21:24:45] GREAT [21:25:28] what I am concerned about are the statistics, these are going to drop hard when the results are coming in within the next 48 hours [21:25:58] and since the Miraheze wiki is already a tough sell, we're going to have to do some work to get people back on board [22:45:25] having done some research last spring, i can say there are not very many alternatives to miraheze out there that offers the capabilities and unintrusiveness that miraheze does. [22:46:00] except maybe paid wiki hosts which i did not look into in any detail. [22:49:06] considering the number of wikis hosted, the volume of files, and the fact miraheze runs on donations with a volunteer staff that rivals some paid sites, it's pretty amazing.