[04:46:38] me too [08:04:10] lua my beloathed cooking [14:47:45] https://youtube.com/watch?v=cHqyAUhhmiU [15:39:01] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Route_diagram_template this is the most emotionally damaging template MediaWiki has in it's arsenal [16:01:08] Options C and D in the latest RfC make me wonder if Miraheze is no longer a viable option for my wiki hosting. I see a lot of “Abstains” and “Opposes”, but still… [16:01:49] Just to be clear, only Option D would shut down Miraheze [16:02:17] Option C would transfer Miraheze to a new owner, but would not shut down operations. Miraheze would still be available and free to use, no policies would change. [16:02:58] But what would happen to all the wikis? Would anything else change? [16:03:23] No - nothing would change. It would all remain the same, no policies would be changed. [16:05:06] By “most votes”, you mean “most 'supports'”, right? [16:05:21] No, the proposal with the most votes would win. [16:05:30] +1 support, -1 oppose, 0 abstain [16:05:57] So a proposal with 10 supports and 2 opposes would have 8 points, while a proposal with 6 supports and 0 opposes would have 6 points. [16:06:03] So Proposal 1 would win with 8 points. [16:06:26] It appears that C has the most “supports”. [16:06:50] It would be kind of cool if there was a widget that showed the number of points! [16:08:08] I could create a point ticker for the top but it wouldn't be auto-updated [16:08:25] The current count from my calculations is -18, 6, 36, 22 [16:08:33] A, B, C, D [16:10:02] It looks like C might win, but the rest of the year still has a bit of uncertainty. Why would anyone want A or D? [16:11:01] No one does - the status quo is hard to maintain, and no one wants MH to shut down [16:11:36] Yep! But there are people who are afraid WikiTide will try to profit off of Miraheze. [16:11:51] WikiTide is a nonprofit organization. [16:12:03] And do you get what I am referencing when I say “Everybody disliked that.”? [16:12:22] Not exactly (you mean proposals A and D?) [16:12:43] “Everybody disliked that” is a Fallout 4 reference as well. [16:13:05] Ah - didn't realize that, haven't played Fallout [16:13:49] So from the looks of things, I predict a WikiTide merger! [16:14:28] Hopefully haha [16:15:24] I don’t think A or D would win either! I know the tables can turn, but I don’t know who would want to give up like that! [16:17:10] RhinosF1 has a “weak support”. I guess that’s how RfCs work; you have to show support of your own proposal? [16:23:51] an RfC is literally a Request for Comments, so you can express your own comments sure [16:28:32] But why would RhinosF1 basically have slight support of the “give up” option though? [16:28:46] you'll have to ask Rhinos [16:31:16] he said everything already in the convo [16:36:56] If I was a part of a board, I might think about to give up [16:37:24] MH have way too much problems these days [16:38:34] Most are management issues [16:39:30] Also owning physical hardware without backup is another issue [16:39:50] (I mean proper backups) [16:41:09] It is better to host on the cloud these days than owning physical hardware [17:33:25] Exactly what I said in the comment [17:34:27] "This is my third choice. I'd much rather B or C become successful but in the event they fail and there is no viable solution then we have to eventually accept the inevitable. In the event that B and C fail, it will be our curtain call and time to take our final bow" [18:19:03] In that case, at least we put on a good show 🎩 [18:21:56] We did. [18:22:13] I do hope we can continue with B or C [18:22:57] But if not, an orderly shutdown is best [18:23:41] I will be voting on all 4 proposals [18:24:01] Indicating a 1,2,3 order for my support of C,B,D and then opposing A [18:26:25] Yeah [18:26:42] Can we use [[Template:Support_if]]? [18:26:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Support_if [18:26:44]

[18:28:22] Yes [18:31:42] Yep [18:59:06] DOOM-posting; get it? [19:00:10] boooooooo [19:03:57] My image literally went to s\\t! Why? [19:16:01] This is one thing I'm very excited about, though it'll be a big technical undertaking and won't be overnight. WT backup solutions applied to MH after we get MH off the current data center hardware will be a great peace of mind in my view. [19:19:24] How do their backup systems work? [19:23:44] The seasoned SRE folks over there can speak better to it, I'd botch the explanation, but substantially more redundancy and resources behind it to prevent impacts to production service every time backups are created + a few extras to mitigate the possibility/recovery window of a db141-type event. [19:26:08] I'd love actual replicas as well as backups [19:32:26] How often do we have MH backups? [19:51:38] @paladox