[02:05:25] heh, another Fandom video [02:05:31] [02:06:31] https://youtu.be/EkaPSZg-I3k [02:26:09] a long one [02:28:50] I will use this as a benchmark of what to improve in Miraheze [02:30:16] ❤️ [02:30:27] pretty cool that Miraheze gets mentioned at least [02:30:35] would be nice if they'd reach out first too [02:31:18] oh, I think the video creator is in this server too [02:31:22] :thonk: [02:35:07] ping [02:41:06] I see some of the best MH wikis are the most obscure and no mention of MH anywhere unless you scroll at the bottom. [02:41:17] 💀 [02:41:34] Even the NATO wiki have MH logo removed [02:41:49] Double down on MH promotion [02:44:11] Yeahj [02:44:26] can we make an rfc to ban that or smt [02:44:30] Honestly, I didn't know we had so many game wikis until they migrated to wiki.gg [02:44:50] [1/2] also I forgot how mant servers i have perms on dang [02:44:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195559049530458122/fhi93gt.png?ex=65b46e21&is=65a1f921&hm=8fd3f93bc8d1a35e4e91ef80e449727b79213cda7196f54dd549ae4cfa0fd9b2& [02:46:31] Maybe no because there is no customization limits within MH [02:47:32] Our own basedness works against us [02:47:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956858251683725323.webp?size=48&name=agony&quality=lossless [02:48:03] It's interesting how wikis try to suppress mentions of Miraheze [02:48:10] booooooo [02:48:17] like they'll completely disable CentralNotice, remove our web badge, etc [02:48:27] central notice idihjnvrpiahnfin sure [02:48:36] but like the badge 💀 why [02:48:40] some have asked to unlink from CentralAuth as well or to put ads on their wikis [02:48:40] thats just- [02:48:50] and some remove our "Donate to Miraheze" footer link [02:49:15] https://tenor.com/view/bro-i%27m-deadbro-i%27m-dead-gif-17750076160133737273 [02:49:20] I remember this one person complaining via email that we didn't allow them to write their own Privacy Policy [02:49:23] skull moment [02:49:33] aint no way [02:49:48] no way people are that entitled [02:50:02] my guy may i introduce you to self hosting? [02:50:12] pay out yo own pocket and do what you want [02:50:59] [1/2] The one who tries to suppress any mentions of Miraheze: [02:50:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195560597522239488/image0.jpg?ex=65b46f92&is=65a1fa92&hm=2471cf041a2f86589686a60ff78910a26911278ae140ee0a952f5bba98194a07& [02:58:26] slander campaign go brrrr [03:08:26] bro timestamp 4:20 is uh smt [03:12:12] it's something for sure [03:22:26] @connorsseur great vid btw [03:24:46] absolutly(still watching, at 20:11) [03:24:49] tysm [03:25:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/904463420869443675.webp?size=48&name=huggies&quality=lossless [03:26:57] [1/2] this is so true [03:26:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195569647127384144/9hz3mur.png?ex=65b47800&is=65a20300&hm=f7b60313189b3852b5caff1ee349a43faf363fa396ae848280f19cd95c091a72& [03:27:59] The one thing I take issue with so far is "wikis are not entertainment" [03:28:18] I read googles finance statments for fun a wiki is quality [03:29:56] turning wikis into social media is a big no [03:30:20] it tends to attract an interesting demographic, particularly those who we'd describe as [[WP:CIR]] [03:30:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WP:CIR [03:30:21] [03:30:22] Oh agree entirely [03:30:36] Im just a person who reads wikis for fun [03:33:43] Thanks! Glad you guys liked it. I wasn't sure if it would've been appropriate to drop it here or not lol [03:34:02] Agent did it for ya lmao [03:34:16] And thanks for linking the donation page ^^ [03:34:24] I saw, I appreciate it! Took a long time to make [03:34:32] any pan-wiki news is welcome on #offtopic \:P [03:34:47] Hopfully you'll be able to say Miraheze is a stable option soon! [03:34:52] No problem! Miraheze is a rad platform, was the least I could do :) [03:35:04] It really is [03:35:28] as I said, that video is good to set as a benchmark of what to improve on Miraheze [03:36:06] I see about sharing the video if theres any communities I know would like it, 714 is downright criminal [03:36:27] The more the merrier! I've been very pleased with how it's at least making the rounds in various wiki circles [03:36:46] You really should be [03:36:54] wiki news tends to spread like wildfire [03:37:03] One of the impacted individuals featured in the video itself reached out even lol. [03:37:11] oooooo [03:37:12] I've seen the wiki in FANDOMs server, I'll check what they saying about it tmr [03:37:22] when its not 10:37 [03:37:31] I also have a slideshow to finish tmr [03:37:37] on video game checksums lmao [03:39:08] And this isn't a stance I'm ironclad on or anything, it's moreso in reference to how Fandom treats wikis [03:39:18] totally fair [03:39:38] Me and my friends get up to the weirdest shit.. [03:39:38] If you're browsing wikis, generally there's a specific thing you want to look for, and if it's for the same general thing suggestions make sense [03:39:39] lol [03:39:54] But recommending totally different wikis makes no sense lol [03:39:59] yeah, I am a outlier and a half [03:40:31] I was modding a fandom wiki and saw a recommendation with a nazi pinwheel [03:40:38] I've defs spent my fair share of time just going through game wiki pages reading on trivia though, so I definitely see your point [03:41:22] oof. yeah fandom is pretty bad at that whole moderation thing from what I've been hearing [03:41:35] All they've really done is hit the easy targets [03:41:46] And not dealt with like. Anything that's a real issue. [03:41:49] Our Wiki Lead did report it and I think they responded? [03:42:12] unfortunatly [03:49:47] [1/2] anyways I need sleep cause weak flesh bodies, thank you again for your hard work for the wiki community 🫡, also sent the vid to the first person I could think would like it. Have a great night/day Connorsseur, until we meet again [03:49:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195575392342380554/hlVnX0c.png?ex=65b47d5a&is=65a2085a&hm=43db7af426700f116c1159ef07f73fbb6d70c7b8958987466faa9b497a2a7966& [03:51:02] Ty! Appreciate it :) [03:51:11] G'night! I should probs do that soon too haha [03:52:59] almost forgot to hit subscribe lmao [03:53:23] sleep deprivation is my wife [03:54:57] have a good day, enjoy the weekend, and if your cursed with being american like me enjoy the day off [03:55:30] I am unfortunately accursed with Americanism as well 😔 [03:55:45] I'll definitely be taking it easy now though! Tired after the editing rush lol [03:56:22] https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025 [03:56:33] hes out of youtuber juice [03:56:54] Spending multiple hours on captions in a day does that lol [03:57:04] its like a mobile game need to wait to claim more [03:57:14] any sort of editing lol [03:57:19] Even with a script it's still a pain to do them 😭 [03:57:29] I reeeally need to work more on Nyctopedia [03:57:35] Yeah but at least I get to make funny pictures with normal editing [03:57:36] smol minecraft pack needs some lov [03:57:54] true [03:58:02] one thing I think you missed [03:58:12] could have used laser eyes on fandoms logo [03:58:27] like this [03:58:46] missed oppetunity 😔 [03:59:00] If I went for a memeier style I could've, but I liked the more ominous raging inferno engulfing the communities [03:59:16] See what ya meme [03:59:28] mean* [03:59:36] what I meme is a discord game aaaaa [03:59:45] Not to say I shied away from all memery tho lol [04:00:09] lol [04:00:15] slipping a johnny test whip crack in there for good measure ;) [04:00:31] fix it in somewhere in part two: fandom donates its bank account to miraheze [04:01:01] okay pixl go the fuck to sleep you have a slideshow on checksums to finish tmr [04:01:09] https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884 [04:01:15] bye connor [04:01:26] talk again soon i hope ^^ [04:01:29] Bye! G'night, ty for the chat! [04:01:36] nah mate thank you [04:01:43] now wheres that off button [04:01:46] a here we goo [04:01:51] sweet darknessss [04:01:59] pixl has deleted his pc [04:04:40] i was so ready to click on this and see like a 4hr long video. but i will still watch anyways [06:29:55] oi [06:51:52] good to see fandom censorship getting called out [06:52:55] I'm muts w/ the guy who admins Devilman Wiki (which I tried to migrate here but failed) who was banned in 2018 for couple of pics, despite the wiki having those since like 2012 [07:04:45] we legit thought the wiki might be taken down following 2021 purge, but it didn't happen, likely because how popular Devilman has become after 2018 adaption and admittedly the fandom itself really became boring I miss the days of half empty tumblr tag [07:40:51] Pizza Tower Wiki Images Down jumpscare 🫣 [08:40:18] wait dude [08:40:38] the tumblr post [08:40:40] is mine [08:40:42] lmao [09:07:38] [1/2] [09:07:39] [2/2] @connorsseur [09:12:26] although a lot has changed since made like same forming policy update, Miraheze/WikiTide merge, wiki.gg apparently now allowing non-gaming entertainment wiki (outlined on a single support page people are least likely to see first) [09:13:35] and I promised to make big migration guide and explain details, but I have neither energy nor reason to do that now, as again, a lot has changed since August and I'm not sure of my advices will help some communities [09:27:13] I'll teach 10people to earn $50k or more within a week from the crypto market but you'll pay me 10% of your profit when you receive it. Note only interested people should apply, drop a message let's get started by asking (HOW) via telegram username 👉@della_sweeney1 [14:06:20] Your famous lmao [15:05:29] [1/2] Was checking the fandom response to the video [15:05:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195745439518044270/image0.jpg?ex=65b51bb8&is=65a2a6b8&hm=a9f396bf19645e80a5005b5b9edf2e937df18ddf70e6804b0ef1bfa6eaa5433c& [15:05:36] :ThinkerMH: [15:06:26] (There’s more but my screen ratio is conformitive) [15:06:55] I caught a bit of wind of a response-- they said I argued in bad faith which is. Lol [15:07:11] :moonch: [15:07:18] I love miramojis [15:07:56] I do think they may be somewhat correct in that elaboration of the Spanish wiki might be Beneficial but I’m not qualified to judge on that [15:09:08] Oh! Haha thanks for the post! I did consider putting in the devilman crybaby stuff briefly but I was already taking on a super large project so had to leave some stuff out [15:09:28] I’m scared to ask but how long did this video take you [15:09:43] Two months of mostly full time work 🙃 [15:10:07] https://tenor.com/view/waffles-mousles-scream-prove-for-fuwu-marv-gif-23279388 [15:10:22] I admire your commitment to the craft [15:10:40] What's funny about this is the impacted individual there has praised the vid lol [15:11:17] But yeah I sorta skim it because fandom just. Keeps doing stuff [15:11:41] And any response is meaningless if we only get one after the damage is done [15:13:36] I'm aware staff made a response to the fandom network operations post but I don't care what their excuse was, honestly. The issue is they had no issue with demoting an extremely dedicated administrator instantly over a misunderstanding caused by them [15:15:06] did I missed something about it and FANDOM lol [15:16:33] crybaby I mean [15:16:36] Communication and collaboration are integral to wikis as a concept, I can’t see this being given a spin in which that may be interpreted [15:16:53] but as far as I can there are still pretty spicy images from an AU manga [15:17:00] on fandom wiki [15:19:11] [1/2] It's also even crazier after seeing the whang video on the silent hill circumcision incident w a wiki admin 🙃 [15:19:11] [2/2] That was allowed to go on for ages BUT MESSING WITH PORTABLE INFOBOXES? Unacceptable. Dealt with immediately. [15:19:14] [1/2] when I decided to migrate it to mira the founder was on hiatus and he gave me his blessings, I fixed all templates and categories, which were absolute fucking mess [15:19:14] [2/2] but when I started fixing articles I got burned out really bad, and haven't touched it for a year ... which means the fork is far behind fandom, and couple of months later I saw the founder getting back, doing stuff from an alt and I've lost all motivation lol [15:19:48] Oh? [15:19:55] Aw sorry to hear that. Editing's tiring when you're the main one doing it [15:20:16] Totally [15:20:46] I'll DM it I don't have perms to send links ig lol [15:20:48] 😓 [15:20:54] Oh lmao yea [15:21:02] If you have a Miraheze account do /auth [15:24:44] can't open in browser even 😶 [15:25:07] R i g h t [15:25:16] I’ll get the link [15:25:57] https://discord.com/channels/563020189604773888/563022855516717071/1195175449685401611 [15:26:04] Can’t send the fandom invite lol [15:26:12] It’s a vanity link [15:26:21] .gg/fandom [15:26:27] If you wanna see [15:33:16] ah ain't stepping into fandom server lol [15:33:42] eh, the community is great compared to corperate [15:33:50] not saying much but eh [15:33:52] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [15:34:19] (most of my interactions there with questions have been good at least) [17:07:01] new role i see [17:08:11] orange bois [17:25:21] OH WAIT YOU MEANT I MISCREDITED THE POST DIDN'T YOU AHHHH [17:25:33] Sorry about that! I am not a tumblr user lol. [17:25:55] I can make a quick note about it on the pinned comment and edit the sources accordingly [17:31:40] yeah I figured lol, recent tumblr updated messed UI [17:37:28] Carmibird just let me know about the mistake haha [17:37:46] You should actually blame her because she's the one who sent me the link [17:38:04] (this is a joke do not blame her for my mistake) [17:38:21] video part 2 time [17:39:11] again, the post is from August and a lot has changed too [17:39:37] I've made it right after I joined PTW admin team [17:59:19] The vid seems to be gaining traction which is neat. In the past few hours it's gone from like 2 to 4k, so that may be possible [17:59:42] Idk what I'd tackle IF I did such a thing even, but it would be nice to feel like that's an option [18:00:27] I feel like a wiser part 2 would be doing a follow-up at a later date, so I can hopefully sing more praise about alternatives to Fandom, and see if Fandom has attempted to address anything I brought up (doubtful) [18:00:29] @connorsseur Watch your language. [18:02:11] [1/2] wayback machine broke :ThinkerMH: [18:02:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195789907784908941/2024-01-13_21_01_39.png?ex=65b54522&is=65a2d022&hm=3a4ef25ca265d58146a8180620dae3159a42646c3c36975500c0c387a80fc6c3& [18:02:37] lots of wiki requests incoming [18:02:55] After mossbag's vid the dead cells wiki SPIKED in views, it was insane [18:03:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195790154221240350/2t8r9a.png?ex=65b5455d&is=65a2d05d&hm=a8eae468b6b3f252ac86845f0fdf167f3826ef8585919bbc54959bff2e41bd45& [18:03:14] We went from like 350k top to like 3 million by today? In the span of a few months [18:03:34] same for Pizza Tower Wiki [18:03:45] same for Pizza Tower Wiki [18:03:48] Hoping mine can cause a noticable uptick too haha [18:04:04] funger takes over the internet [18:10:13] how to get thw volunteer role 😭 [18:17:38] Be trusted [18:42:38] [1/2] @neoqwerty got reminded of this little gem [18:42:38] [2/2] https://youtu.be/HFpV1DNYDaU [18:44:42] 5 seconds in and I know that this is going into my main focus playlist already, thank you so so so much [18:53:25] I'm stuck now, 4th time on repeat xd [19:31:21] [1/2] Addressing all the complaints from pro fandom May also be a good move. Who knows if your feeling spicy you could venture to their discord and ask them for things they’d like to see addressed directly. That’s my two cents at least, I try to at least consider the fandom user side for fairness sake and not being the person saying just saying “fandom bad cuz ads [19:31:22] [2/2] booo boo spam their wikis” [19:31:48] Side note: I hate the fact I need to say pro fandom, I wish the wiki community could just be that [19:31:52] The wiki community [19:32:05] No controversial companies splitting it into factions [19:35:14] I know the feeling [19:35:34] For me it was https://open.spotify.com/track/6xGruZOHLs39ZbVccQTuPZ?si=5d2_qa4SRCKxMHcGoVGqoA [19:35:35] it's usually the case w/ new beat tracks for me [19:35:55] fuck spotify, all my homies hate spotify [19:36:14] I literally can't see what you linked too [19:36:17] [1/2] Meanwhile: pixls liked songs on Spotify [19:36:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195813590884683946/image0.jpg?ex=65b55b31&is=65a2e631&hm=705dc838b6fce974f087e57c7773cd45e5795e0f47986f06b670e36e4655519e& [19:37:29] Here, pretty sure this is the official music video https://youtu.be/NgsWGfUlwJI?si=jPWD6nOxYwFMmR0y [19:38:19] Also when I first searched it the first result was a cover by one of my favorite artists [19:51:03] Are there really even many "pro-fandom" users? I figure it's just a few in that echo chamber of a server lol [19:51:10] But idk for sure I've only heard of it second hand [19:51:14] May be a good point [19:51:33] Never considered that [19:51:33] there's one guy who spied on migrating wikis in other platforms' servers lol [19:51:42] ..what? [19:53:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195817918085201970/2024-01-13_22_53_14.png?ex=65b55f38&is=65a2ea38&hm=af404a91fff586f6efcfe7fc07541cc9c88ad597ce69834fbffcc840b239e524& [19:54:48] El problema de skill ngl [20:06:55] Fandom shills are funny [20:06:59] there's quite a few [20:28:36] Eh, I do think most of them believe In fandom, and if they do that’s fine by me [20:37:57] I can't fathom any mental gymnastics that justifies using a site with an objectively worse user experience other than be a contrarian for the sake of it [20:38:56] simplicity is often the counterpoint against other means [20:39:01] but it's an illusion [20:39:18] you get a default set of templates [20:39:24] certainly but some go to lengths to justify things [20:39:30] as much as I love Miraheze, I've admitted it has flaws [20:39:48] but some shills will always try to justify Fandom's ways with the funniest stretches [20:40:08] apple vs android ,same logic lol [20:40:20] lol [20:40:22] The fuck is going on [20:40:23] @blakeishere Watch your language. [20:40:39] raidarr often brought up windows vs linux comparison [20:40:49] we miss raidarr [20:41:11] I'll abstain [20:42:37] same idea then, "user-friendly" for people not familiar with the techy side of things but still manageable if you know how to work it (like modules(i still dont know how to do modules)) [20:43:17] neither do I [20:44:03] I'm not sure anyone does or they wouldn't be as complex as they are [20:46:32] Modules from my understanding are just lua functions [20:46:42] One of the easiest coding languages out there [20:47:09] Could we just, idk, make default templates an option on CreateWiki? [20:47:49] Re: lua modules, more or less, yeah. [20:48:18] It has been proposed, yes, but the execution is murky [20:48:25] ^ [20:48:37] isnt portable infobox now enabled by default for new wikis? and still people have trouble with those cuz theyre probably used to the easier customization of fandom or they havent really done coding before [20:48:53] Yes [20:49:03] most people are only familiar with the PortableInfobox Builder so even if the extension exists, they're lost [20:49:31] Why do, [20:49:32] you need to create a set of such templates first [20:49:36] It is likely that most people aren't even use Source edit feature [20:49:43] yeah [20:49:53] Can confirm [20:49:57] we need people to be not afraid of source editor [20:50:01] what seems so easy for one person to code/figure out can be rocket science to someone else [20:50:09] I have new members of my own moderation team who use VE [20:50:22] You have to compile such a package of templates first and make sure they work completely as intended [20:50:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1195832238923857930/cvmemetemp.jpg?ex=65b56c8f&is=65a2f78f&hm=8c249a2c37b4a13d408aa6028a9ca3a9a440dda38c03960d9af03d2e64f2beb8& [20:50:25] if they are familiar w/ discord formatting that's already a big step [20:50:41] Yea, this is why I tried to make "plugins" as easy as possible so you have more chance to gain editors [20:51:06] I mean templates [20:51:11] Main issue is MBox, the lua version usually needs Like 4 modules and wikitext ones can be limited [20:51:28] whoneedsmbox [20:52:05] Referring to stuff like {{stub}}, format, and delete [20:52:05] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:stub [20:52:06] [20:52:17] I did think about potentially using older, non-Lua versions of the templates and adding that to such a template package [20:52:31] that's the idea [20:52:35] But já if we could lower the technical know how required to get started here that would be great [20:52:35] and basically what fandom has [20:52:52] the stub etc templates in their set haven't changed probably for a decade [20:53:09] (i just use a table for notices LOL) [20:53:19] or divs, right [20:53:47] But that leaves us with either dumbing shit down and adding tools to make it easier without people learning(gets more people but digs a deeper hole) or trying to educate people, lower chance of working and may drive people away [20:53:49] That’s how I see it [20:54:02] if technical implemention of default templates is complicated, we need to improve dev wiki significantly, so people will be able to at least import them (directly w/o files, as there is an option) [20:54:23] Absafuckinglutely [20:54:32] I agree, but sooner or later a good admin will have to learn [20:54:40] Yeah [20:54:52] like not everyone on fandom are like blind kitties [20:55:06] i was co-admining w/ absolute cool coders [20:55:17] and I learned by looking at their stuff [20:55:41] Bro almost everything I know about MediaWiki I learned from docs and a single person [20:55:47] They are the reason I am a wiki person [20:56:24] And one of the newest members of my wikis mod team is a really competent wiki editor and programmer [20:58:40] if youre going to be regularly editing on wiki ,then yeah you'll learn eventually but some people come in totally blind [20:58:51] Yeah [20:59:08] If you needed to be a wiki wizard that’s a really high barrier [20:59:55] i started on miraheze because a group of fans wanted to make a new fan wiki for a game, but literally nobody had any real idea on how to do templates or set up pages/categories first so they were all running to make pages for their fave characters and it quickly fell apart [21:00:18] they had the spirit but not the patience i suppose [21:00:28] Yeah, I’m the only wiki nerd for Nyctopedia as well [21:00:49] And I just don’t have time for a lot of work on it [21:01:55] thats why i have so many empty pages on my wiki right now haha, i can put together character stats and such but bigger general pages like game modes are a lot of work + its already covered on the fandom wiki [21:02:15] Just steal from fandom /j [21:02:28] We should absolutely invest in the dev wiki and easy to understand guides for technical subjects [21:03:03] It may be beneficial to maybe consider working with other farms on the later, but that’s just my idea [21:03:25] dev having wp templates is a big downside rn [21:03:37] How so [21:03:52] again "easy to understand" can mean different things to people depending on their skill level going in ,some newbies dont even know where to begin while others have a 42 part game plan [21:03:59] like i say in infobox guide plz don't import from wp, and then newbie imports from dev and gets the same shit w/ errors lol [21:04:19] That’s an issue yeaj [21:04:33] Make an AI chat bot to explain it all lmao (joke) [21:05:20] video guide with subway surfers and soap asmr on the sides [21:05:25] PFT [21:06:38] Do you think scary transclution would make this better or worse? [21:07:12] Remind me again why fandoms dev wiki is on [[mh:dev:Main Page]]? [21:07:12] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/dev:Main_Page [21:07:12] [21:07:25] wut [21:07:32] Last edited 2022 [21:07:46] https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-gif-21483615 [21:07:56] External links [21:08:05] ah [21:08:10] we can copy from it ofc [21:08:17] Yeah [21:08:22] I copied Lua and js thingies lol [21:08:42] It gets to be annoying AF when they use Fandom i18n or api [21:08:50] But just MW API works [21:09:28] I believe it might affects performance + if something gets changed in the templates all wiki will be affected [21:09:49] and yeah, imagine the hassle [21:09:54] Yeah performance is smt [21:10:18] Maybe with the new servers we can enable as an yeet [21:10:24] Test* [21:11:18] I still think it risky per second reason [21:11:54] True [21:12:10] Would likely need to be at LEAST semi protected [21:12:57] I was going to remake country and political party templates in PI on dev buuut [21:13:11] One of these days I should go look on wiki discovery for wikis on topics I like and see if I can help out [21:13:12] I kinda lost motivation, and now can't focus on that [21:13:42] Understandable [21:13:47] I suffer from the same issue [21:20:48] What’s the link? May do later [21:22:21] [21:23:06] it's officeholder lol [21:23:48] what I noticed while making it, is that wp has a subtemplate for person info which can be included into any "person" kind of template [21:24:16] like birth date/place, ethnicity, etc [21:24:42] instead of coding those parameters into each infobox [21:25:03] but not really sure if it'll be practical [21:25:07] in our case [21:27:23] im questioning how used a person info box would be [21:27:43] I may try to make stand alone wiki table notices for format and such idk [21:27:56] We also wanna make sure this all works on mobile [21:28:53] PortableInfobox always work on mobile as far as I know [21:29:05] those templates - country, party and "officeholder" were often asked about at some point, I decided to start to do something about them [21:29:27] mobile compability was the main point it was developed, I believe [21:29:49] country infobox is still the most popular [21:30:13] the main issue it's always to show flag and coat next to each other [21:30:51] just in the last month I provided the PI code for that to two wikis via support threads here [21:32:28] [1/2] eh, those are simple, in case of gigantic I barely changed what fandom had by default [21:32:28] [2/2] what I like about them is that they are really simple [21:32:52] in case of PTW we made them too fancy lol [21:37:00] This was referibg more to notices [21:37:51] just make them `display: flex; width: 95%; margin: 0 auto 5px;` [21:38:02] shall work on any screensize [21:38:10] huh [21:38:38] ofc depends on how fancy you want them to look, but that's modification [21:38:46] the simple base could be this [21:38:52] may just be my own experience w/ fandom mbox not showing on mobile [21:39:27] fandom's mobile mode is a strange creature [21:40:05] :thistbh: [21:40:18] mobile editing is hell anywhere thou [21:40:34] never edited on fandom on mobile lmao [21:40:50] actually started to use phone on wiki editing w/ Mira [21:40:56] ive done small stuff [21:41:11] change a link or image [21:41:28] :moonch: [21:41:55] hey, it's alr w/o mobile frontend and w/ source code lol [21:42:08] I can make and fix templates