[00:01:47] 😦 I'm sorry things are not the best right now [00:02:11] Eh, it's fine - working on getting better now though. [00:02:43] good for you man [00:03:57] 🙂 That's good [00:22:43] I was able to fix a wiki request issue because it was posted in support. I found it cuz I troll support, though it was tagged as wiki request. [00:23:18] Do the tags notify anyone? Is there a way to have "wiki request" tags in support notify the wiki creators role? [00:25:53] Coding a custom discord bot [00:26:41] I haven't found a setting for that yet, but I'm looking through the Discord help pages [00:28:40] rip [00:44:02] <.labster, replying to hypercane> I’ve always thought one had to be mentally unstable to contribute to Fandom [00:45:13] Can confirm [00:51:47] Back in my early days, I was just blissfully unaware. [00:52:02] I started editing there when I was 16, so... [00:52:24] I'm in my mid-20s now and realize I have made the best decision for myself. [00:53:05] I started on Fandom, more then a year ago? And only active on one wiki [00:53:07] all in all [00:53:12] dont regret it [00:53:21] because its the readon im here [00:53:37] if I never signed up to edit that fandom wiki [00:53:44] id have no idea miraheze existed [00:54:05] Well, I started back then but I got involved in so many different wikis eventually too. [00:54:08] Seconded, Fandom got me in to wiki editing during depths of pandemic, MH showed me what was possible. [00:54:11] have gotten to meet so many neat people, learned what i have about mediawiki or anything [00:54:22] Same here as well honestly [00:54:54] If it wasn't for my insane adventures starting with Fandom...I wouldn't have found out that there was more than just Fandom out there... [00:55:40] yeah [00:55:48] good side to everything I guess [00:55:58] I guess it's true that you need to start somewhere. [00:56:05] Or so the popular saying goes. [00:56:21] side note my spotify is playing https://open.spotify.com/track/18CctEeOpjEDIAvWM5S7RE?si=adLq1aixS2Gxqshi0c9ZJw rn and it feels so appropriate for this [00:56:27] interesting [00:56:40] same here for me now [00:56:42] lol [00:56:47] set the mood [00:57:16] <.labster> I’m lucky that I never created a Wikia account. Started at Davis Wiki for my college town. [00:57:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1196981615369404478/image.png?ex=65b99aff&is=65a725ff&hm=888ee3a37cb5ebab2ede33f77d7b5c71f703ad78cddda4c5ccbe8baac5eae4aa& [00:57:50] I love my favorite music playlist [00:58:09] is that you’re main liked songsv [00:58:26] Just basically all the songs I have listened to and enjoyed yeah. [00:58:36] I can't exactly move from Fandom because I manage several relatively popular wikis here [00:58:45] rip [00:59:14] The lead admin of one of them won't even consider moving from Fandom [00:59:22] yeah i get it [00:59:31] I was at one point a bureaucrat on a I guess you could call it relatively popular... [00:59:35] the wiki i mod we would love to not be on fandom but eh [01:00:06] Oh well, their loss in all honesty [01:00:17] That's probably how I would look at it now [01:00:24] I’m on content mod on a eiki that gets i think like mid 4 digit views [01:00:40] and another that has like 5 contributors [01:00:42] I might as well disclose that I was once a bureaucrat on Hypothetical Hurricanes Wiki. [01:01:04] ...that wiki had like over 10k pages [01:01:26] I watched it go from less than 1,000 pages to that. [01:01:53] my fandom wiki has around that many articles but by its nature is not all great quality [01:01:59] True [01:02:12] I'm not going to lie and say that all of the articles on HHW were either [01:02:17] But still [01:02:45] Imagine just watching it grow from idk if I can remember correctly...500 or so pages to over 10,000? [01:02:53] And gain such a large userbase... [01:03:06] dang [01:03:23] I watched over it after I adopted it. [01:03:37] <.labster, replying to hypercane> That’s something we really can’t replicate yet. I’m not sure how to get more editors [01:04:03] You're not alone then, HHW was just a notable exception for me... [01:04:22] part of it is up to our wikis [01:04:38] Many others wiki with similar topics (especially ones I founded) just ended up dying. [01:04:39] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [01:04:50] I’ve mentioned the idea of a site to find wikis [01:04:52] oh well [01:05:16] but its a mega niche, hard to get adoption, and a technical undertaking [01:05:40] <.labster> What could we in MH staff be doing to help, I wonder? SEO, promotion of wikis, networking? [01:06:02] It's a cruel reality I must admit, but... I'm sure some day some of my other projects I work on now could see similar success. [01:06:15] Those could help [01:06:25] agreed [01:06:42] Wiki’s are a bit of an interest niche, and a lot of people are claimed by big fansom [01:06:54] but a group of Outreach people would be cool [01:07:09] That would at least be of help, I don't see anything detrimental at least [01:07:18] if the new servers lower costs enough to allow for ads who knows [01:07:30] eh, ads? [01:07:56] I probably know what you might be referring to [01:08:24] (Not Fandom ads, but just idk a way to promote wikis in the wiki farm?) [01:09:19] I may be wrong, but I feel like that might be what you were referencing. [01:09:46] <.labster> I’m not really sure how to promote [01:09:57] yeah me either [01:10:40] But there could be other ways then like you mentioned above [01:13:14] I don't really like the ads in general (even for other wikis) [01:13:48] I should also just note that the reason I eventually just give up with wikis is when they just...seem hopeless to get a community. [01:14:07] It seems very discouraging (at least to me) [01:18:40] not what i meant [01:18:44] My bad then [01:18:44] but tali is prob right [01:18:55] Not just you [01:19:20] Yeah, I know it's probably discouraging for a lot of others too. [01:20:16] I think one approach may be to target what comes up when you google how to start a wiki [01:21:07] the first result is wikihow(grrrr), anyone know if that’s editable? Its on fandom rn, if we could add a hatnote linking to a miraheze guide may help out [01:21:57] A platform on meta or a non mediawiki part of Miraheze’s site/an affiliate project for finding wikis of interest would be nice [01:27:22] Wait I think it has Miraheze alreafy [01:27:35] right below fandom [01:27:40] Yeah it was Method 2 [01:37:21] Hoooold uo [01:37:36] Miraheze has a Wikipedia page in 6 Langs [01:37:51] Woah [01:38:12] 7 [01:38:29] first one i click as all of 20 words [01:38:47] OOOOOOOOOOOHHH [01:38:58] SO THATS THE LANGUAGE THAT HAVE WIKIPEDIA STARTING WITH A V [01:39:07] of course its esperanto [01:40:13] Interesting, also it seems Miraheze at least gets a mention on the "Wiki hosting service" in the English Wikipedia. [01:41:11] everybodywiki as well [01:41:29] Also on [[mw:Miraheze]] [01:41:29] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Miraheze [01:41:29]

[01:41:54] yep [01:41:57] If we can dig up enough press and external coverings we could likely make an EN page [01:42:26] https://en.everybodywiki.com/Miraheze has soe [01:42:44] I found something on the Monster Girls Wiki moving [01:43:34] as well as some students creating a Miraheze wiki for their collage cause school resources sucked ass [01:43:42] <.labster> And [[w:Draft:Miraheze]] exists [01:43:42] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miraheze [01:43:43]

[01:43:49] how did I [01:44:29] anyways [01:44:48] <.labster> Press coverage would be pretty great, maybe that's something for me to work on. [01:45:44] if you do it ill give you a wiki hug [01:46:33] <.labster> Or just rename to WikiTide so we no longer have a deletion history on enwiki [01:46:40] Mind if I edit the Draft to change the owner to WikiTide Foundation? [01:46:47] oh? [01:46:51] <.labster> It's not my draft so go ahead [01:47:14] <.labster, replying to pixldev> is joke, comrade [01:47:37] I definitely think renaming to WikiTide will help us improve our relation with WMF [01:47:48] <.labster> We did totally steal their server names [01:48:33] Why’s that? [01:49:02] <.labster> John, I'd guess. Although John has as much to do with us now as Papa John does with Papa John's. [01:49:18] lmao [01:49:33] That’s a long history dang [01:50:26] Yes, John, always [01:52:50] Until we somehow get press coverage of the merge, should I cite the RFC or [[Miraheze/News]] for the ownership? [01:52:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze/News [01:52:50]

[01:53:00] Papa John's: Pizza and wiki hosting [01:53:20] wake up babe new miraheze rebranding judt dropped [01:53:25] Miraheze has a lot of brand recognition in the wiki world though [01:53:44] yeah [01:54:03] plus im personalaly a bit wiki-patriotic [01:54:09] <.labster> Five Guys Wikis [01:55:08] gonna use [[WikiTide Foundation]] news would be archived eventually [01:55:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation [01:55:08]

[01:55:11] plus a bit more info [01:55:16] any objections? [01:55:26] this is my second Wikipedia edit soooooo [01:55:41] a lot of baggage though [01:55:41] <.labster> Am I like not supposed to edit wikipedia pages like this? [01:56:04] We’ll cross that Bridge eventually [01:56:08] You can't mention Miraheze anywhere in the wiki world without someone immediately saying "didn't they almost shut down?" [01:56:11] ™️ [01:56:13] or "the reception wiki host?" [01:56:30] or "the one founded by a WMF office banned user?" [01:56:37] dang [01:56:44] I see you’re point [01:56:57] Would we go with WikiTide or a new name [01:56:58] <.labster> We're going to keep talking about rebranding, because right now Miraheze is both strong and weak as a brand. cons: There's baggage, it's hard to know how to say it (especially in English), it doesn't have much meaning. pros: long established brand, people hate URL changes, it doesn't have much meaning [01:57:23] <.labster> MiraTide and WikiHeze are popular 🙂 [01:57:24] I mean, if url changes happened, people can keep their old urls [01:57:32] maybe even use orain.org or wiki.surf [01:58:05] I’ll go with the WTF page for now [01:58:10] its a draft i can change it [01:58:27] <.labster, replying to pixldev> it's a wiki you can change it [01:58:36] I LOVE MEDIAWIKI [01:58:43] Miracle [02:00:01] theres an interview with john on the draft? [02:00:02] huh [02:00:08] heh yeah [02:00:11] and one with SPF [02:00:23] We need Yaron to interview the new Board [02:00:31] iirc, Yaron wanted to interview @cosmicalpha a while ago [02:01:48] Yeah, I responded also, but never got another reply. I might still have the email though. [02:04:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1196998418401345616/image0.png?ex=65b9aaa6&is=65a735a6&hm=3df5a2563c75541bb93f7e15ffb630c4203fabe1ad3eb91628545c91ccaaf6d5& [02:04:38] oh cool [02:06:13] poke him and ask him if he wants an interview now with the WikiTide-Miraheze merger \:P [02:06:26] I was just thinking that lol [02:07:59] I completely forgot until you mentioned it lol [02:08:21] <.labster> Can we think of other news that might want to cover us? Maybe tech news? [02:09:34] wiki.surf is honestly a really cool domain to be able to offer IMO [02:19:43] Idea: allow users to choose multiple subdomains in addition to ".miraheze.org" and custom domains [02:20:09] That way, we can keep the Miraheze and WikiTide brands and even add some more [02:20:40] Indeed that is the plan. I just need to make it supported in CreateWiki. [02:21:17] yep [03:43:45] [1/2] man I feel you so much, I (practically) singlehandedly admit 4 wikis in 2 languages for unpopular games which both died and it burned me out real bad [03:43:46] [2/2] and like - English speaking community exists, for both games to this day, but I never managed to lure them to help me, except for one person who done some screenshots and gifs [03:45:01] now that I migrated both of those wikis to mh in the light of both games getting possible revival (or whatever you call it), they showed interest [03:46:07] it took about a month to fix and adapt one wiki tho, I'm so lazy about the other now lol [03:49:26] not to mention, I can't scrap images, none of the scripts I found work for me [03:49:52] the first one was scrapped w/ pcj's node.js script, but not it refuses to work [04:49:20] Yeah it's just a huge motivation killer to me eventually. It just keeps making me believe that what I am doing is not good enough and never will be. [04:53:43] Probably not a good thing either but I used to extremely internalize all the feelings I had until they just came back out in a supernova-like explosion of anger... [04:54:45] Ironically after I learned how to get a better handle on my anger issues back then. [04:55:39] <.labster, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Is scraping images hard? When I forked from TV Tropes I just kind of wrote my own script to grab images while grabbing the wikicode. It was pretty easy grabbing when I only sent like 1 request a second. [04:56:09] Hmm...scraping images in my honest point of view can be challenging. [04:56:14] <.labster> Honestly the migration from PmWiki to Mediawiki was much harder. [04:56:29] <.labster> Lots of shitty regexes that I wrote. [04:56:36] <.labster> Bugs for years to come 🙂 [04:57:00] Especially when the wiki you want to transfer the images from had like many thousands of images. [04:57:05] do I look like a person who can code scripts lol [04:57:19] Believe me I don't know how to code much of anything either. [04:57:20] lol [04:57:29] I suspect that Fandom has some modifications to make shit harder [04:57:34] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [04:58:02] it def does considering that anons can't access file namespace nowadays [04:58:04] I think for me it was more the implied sense of "if you scrape the images, you might potentially face legal issues" [04:58:16] I was able to get some of them at least back then. [04:58:38] Due to something somewhere in their ToU describing it. [04:58:51] it's so silly [04:59:07]