[00:07:14] Crazy to think that Miraheze will soon be 10 years old [00:07:23] One of the most impressive feats for this wiki farm [00:07:50] I created my first acc in 2020 and it will turn 5 in one year [00:10:12] i honestly have no idea of how i heard of miraheze tbh apparently i made a wiki in 2020 that got shut down that i have absolute no recollection of [00:10:37] but the wiki im currently making I made in 2022 when i suddenly remembered miraheze somehow [00:15:36] Womp womp [00:16:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1200232691761692703/Screenshot_20240126_111553_Discord.jpg?ex=65c56ecc&is=65b2f9cc&hm=b1e4b67ddba8564353fd1211b8474c34161e580b511769904900001c51c07f75& [00:19:54] No way [00:23:40] <.labster> I would like to thank Dusti as the person most responsible for introducing me to Miraheze [00:36:15] I started 3 months ago 😄 [00:36:28] I already feel at home 😄 [00:37:13] Ahem my friend [00:37:17] Lot more civil than Wikipedia [00:37:21] ?? [00:46:04] Really? [00:46:26] I haven’t talked to many Wikipedians, mainly the people in WMNYC [00:49:21] Besides that, watching notice boards and such, I probably have a biased perspective but most seemed perfectly civil [00:55:07] wikipedia really is a far larger participating community, you may be more likely to end up with a totally different experience/set of people you're looking at [00:56:01] <.labster> It’s harder to go on a power trip if the whole point is to give places to different communities. [00:57:17] <.labster, replying to raidarr> Yeah, things always get worse at large sizes. Case in point: the early academics thought the internet would make people more informed and responsible [00:57:48] [1/3] Dutch Wikipedia really has a name for just deleting pages seconds after they are posted, and the discussions on talk pages are demeaning and hatefull. Many hate the administrators who keep the hand above the other admins. [00:57:48] [2/3] There are several Wikipedia's where the admin group are hard on the newer writers. [00:57:48] [3/3] Pages get deleted, without warning, they get a template warning on their talk page, and requesting an undelete or move into userpages is often ignored or refused. [00:58:33] Nah, not at all. The larger the group, the harder the ones in charge get, to stay in their seat. [01:00:26] [1/2] It's all politically structured, and if a request for removal is asked, the many "friends" will back them up. [01:00:26] [2/2] There are so many stories, (some justified though), of the above. It's really toxic [01:00:48] ouch [01:03:55] yeah wikipedia can be awful [01:04:18] have any of you seen that video on the elections war on historical french elections? [01:04:23] [1/3] I got so stressed and frustrated at one time, that It resulted in several blocks, and a ban on the Danish Wikipedia. [01:04:23] [2/3] Totally my own fault though, but it taught me a real lesson. [01:04:23] [3/3] Don't change what is rusty and stuck. (It was especially during the time when Wikidata was introduced (We still worked with [File:{Property:18}] then. But the Danes wanted nothing of it. [01:04:34] I have [01:04:41] I havent [01:04:58] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVIl_DJl5NU [01:05:11] Oh wow [01:07:47] yeah its really weird; i thought it'd be some sort of odd factional dispute but it's really just one admin going against most of the hoi polloi editors [01:21:51] Oh dear... I have raised hairs on my arms from that. [01:22:40] Same attitude can be found on many of these wikipedia's where they are Admin. If they have an idea of how it's meant to be. They do not budge [01:24:21] They'll just block you, ban you, (and yes they do that according procedure. 6 hour ban. 24 hour ban, 3 days, a week, a month, 3 months, a year, then your permanently banned. [01:25:21] But you know, you better let it go, and find another subject (If they won't stalk you there too) because it is talking to a deaf mans ear with these guys [01:27:49] Now I have many interests, I lived on an island, so naturally I wrote about the local stuff there. Normally good articles, but I do make spelling mistakes. So they clear out half of the article, rewrite it after their liking, and reverting means an edit war. Discuss it in the talk page, where they with all their buddies, talk you down, and you just need to accept. [01:28:13] (Sorry ... I am ranting again about them) [01:30:37] [1/2] I better find something else to do, because it clearly still sits deep, And my last serious edits on Danish Wikipedia was in 2018. [01:30:38] [2/2] I only every now and then do an edit or two on the Dutch one, but I am glad that I desided to quit Wikipedia all together. [01:32:18] Had some other interests for a while (Mostly F1 related) and just recently started again to write on wiki's. Now my own one. [01:33:20] So again, sorry for my rant. It's probably not representative for many others [01:45:17] Bruh wasn’t even an advertisement so rule 11 shouldn’t be a reason [01:45:27] But I think I just got kicked so I can still rejoin [01:45:37] okie [01:45:39] Can you link me invite [05:03:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1200305008906870985/image.png?ex=65c5b226&is=65b33d26&hm=957caa6106a616c53a0d3393a5a238454a8e90420c03a333ddd27ea0d8b2d3c9& [05:03:45] you sure kazakhstan or syria's gonna be faster? lol [05:04:58] a little bit? [05:11:35] Syria is actually routed through the cache proxy in Germany [05:11:57] The Middle East goes through Germany but the rest of Asia goes through Japan [05:34:56] [1/2] til japan has death penalty [05:34:56] [2/2] saw latest news on anime studio arsonist [05:46:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1200315810049163315/image.png?ex=65c5bc35&is=65b34735&hm=52411a88d4e532a28c49e51bf0dec1fec7e86cd001a751c5532f8edadc37f4cd& [07:39:47] <.labster, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Don’t worry, everyone in Japan eventually confesses. They hold people until they do confess [07:43:49] <.labster> Though in the KyoAni case the guy was saying stuff like “damn, I wish I burned more of them” [07:44:33] bruh [16:34:51] Yep called it it was josh who banned me [18:01:24] if anyone is feeling bored, feel free to try to get XSS on [[mw:Extension:PeerTubeEmbed]] on <1.0.5 [18:01:24] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PeerTubeEmbed [18:01:52] I've tried but I'm not quite able to get alert("XSS") to run [18:03:15] If you're able to do it, pls let me know on the extension's talkpage, I've tried for a while and I'm just unable to pull it off [19:10:37] Orange_Star: are you trying for a reason? [19:10:54] Oh the warning [19:11:57] yep my first publicly released MediaWiki extension, released back in early 2023 [19:12:17] Ah [19:12:47] I was taking a look at it to see if I've improved somewhat, and noticed that I just passed the path with basically no modifications to the iframe's src attribute [19:12:59] and thought hmmm, there must be a way to XSS this! [19:13:31] Orange_Star: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseXssLanguage [19:13:47] Not sure if that'll help [19:13:58] You should check to see if you can do encode stuff [19:14:04] If it's in a path [19:14:27] So html encode the alert and then input it not just akert() mid path [20:05:12] @rhinosf1 looks like everyone is renewing their contracts. Leclerc and Norris just signed new deals; reckon there's gonna be some shake ups or the same lineup for next year? [20:05:59] Same [20:06:39] gonna be a boring season again 😦 [20:10:10] I kinda expect [20:46:19] [1/2] ain't watching it but i constantly see people ranting over this wiki's editors [20:46:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1200542256084566187/IMG_20240126_234510.jpg?ex=65c68f1a&is=65b41a1a&hm=447b7014c314b80085c3d3d03392c7167e3780867eb7f37bfcec243fc37227b4& [20:47:12] My close friend irl constantly rants about how bad/also good the show is [21:23:07] Continuing OS conversations, Windows 11 is... meh. I had to upgrade to it for my new build, there's privacy stuff I'm not a fan of but otherwise the experience isn't terribly different. [21:24:56] i got a new laptop in november & it came with it installed, took me a good while to figure out why everything was weirdly zoomed in haha [21:25:03] Heh. 😄 [21:25:33] i'd been stuck on 10/postponing upgrading on my previous laptop so i was so bewildered by how slightly different everything was [21:26:01] Yeah, my old build was perfectly good hardware, but didn't have adequate on-board TPM stuff so I couldn't upgrade if i wanted to [21:26:23] There are a few things I do like better, the multi-desktop support and window management is a good bit improved over 10, though you could get fancy with extra programs to get functionally the same. [21:28:10] as long as i can play my crappy games and can use the browser without everything crashing, i'm GOOD !!!! [21:29:01] a few months back i also found my family's old xp tower which i cleaned out & got working once i ordered some new cables, its nice seeing my siblings old stuff like a time capsule [21:29:25] if i had a long enough ethernet cable & knew how to set up tech stuff i'd try to get it online [21:33:25] [1/2] just like 7, i've not touched 10 and 11 that much (really only when i needed to in the event of familial tech support) [21:33:25] [2/2] some of the "requirements" that M$ wants you to meet to even set them up in the first place make me weary of them (even in the "Pro" editions; yes you can bypass them with a few techniques, but the reliability of these will not be guaranteed in newer versions) [21:35:17] <.labster> I have an old original iPhone that I still use as a music player. Every so often when I turn it on I remember the good old days when UIs were good and icons looked different from each other. [21:35:24] I went from DOS - Windows 3.11 - Windows 2000 - Windows XP and through Windows 10 now W11 [21:35:40] Win 2000 and XP were my best experiences [21:37:19] I still have the sikettes of DOS, and Win 3.11 ... Took ages to install, switching one diskette after another And then Office diskettes... LOL [21:37:27] diskettes [21:37:40] wowie zowie [21:37:48] 98, ME, Vista and 8 are all better forgotten entries anyhow. 😅 [21:37:58] Indeed [21:38:44] I had very strong words about 8, hiding basic functionality underneath gestures/screen corners was very, very dumb. [21:38:52] It's fun looking at promotional video's on youtube from those times. [21:39:34] I am always like, let's see how this goes, and thought, nah... stick to what works [21:40:27] (I hate changes in general) [21:40:57] I like things to be in the same place. Recognizable [21:41:08] No need for moving things around [21:42:01] (Only with Wikidata I was quick [21:42:59] [1/2] When I saw the first properties and items come up, I wanted to implement them on DAWP. [21:42:59] [2/2] They weren't happy about that 😄 [21:44:43] [1/2] maybe it's my childhood memory being somewhat hazy, but i really don't remember Vista being that painful to use [21:44:44] [2/2] i mean yeah the initial release was terrible, but once you got both service packs installed (as many had done with XP, i'm sure; plenty of people were ranting and raving about how insecure it was at launch), Vista had become very smooth (at least on the computer i had used at the time; full Aero and everything!) [21:50:17] [1/5] Yeah, the bigger problems with Vista to my recollection: [21:50:18] [2/5] * initial release was very rocky [21:50:18] [3/5] * Prone to regular crashing before SP2 [21:50:18] [4/5] * miserable driver support by mfgs for peripherals released before Vista [21:50:19] [5/5] * updates would regularly corrupt and break windows update [21:51:18] I was also still in frontline tech support back then, so I was a bit jaded/exposed to more horror stories [21:51:55] That was actually what prompted my first dive into Linux, in fact [21:55:45] Tech support ... [21:55:50] LOL the stories [21:59:26] [1/4] I worked at UPC in the Netherlands (2000-2004) (TV, Telephone, Internet) [21:59:26] [2/4] UPC had Amsterdam, where everything still was switched on and off in the street. [21:59:27] [3/4] So if a guy had moved provider and the internet had to be disconnected, it oftenhappened they litterally switched the wrong handle. Then we got phone calls from another guy in the street who had no access to his internet. [21:59:27] [4/4] 😄 Fun times [22:03:57] This doesn't sound like good news: https://youtu.be/LAHJSAT24uo [22:04:34] lol not enough nitro shills [22:05:11] Yuck! [22:05:17] End me [22:05:39] I hate lock-in I hate lock-in I hate lock in [22:05:47] no ads for me, just like gifts and nitro, cus sanctions lol [22:06:15] No laser eye Legroom is so fucking cursed [22:06:23] lmao [22:06:29] lol [22:06:33] thought to create some variety [22:06:34] ads [22:06:43] didn't expect it to look weaker [22:07:08] I mean it doesn't affect me hopefully since I'm paying for Nitro already...but I can understand everyone else's frustrations with it. [22:09:53] Discord been doing one terrible decision after the other lately... [22:09:59] yep [22:37:08] Windows 11 has been great for me. [22:37:25] The only thing I don't like is that the taskbar is centered. Works well on my mac but not a windows thing. [23:17:20] as with most windows, 11 is relatively simple to break for peace of mind privacy [23:30:31] [1/2] Whoops [23:30:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1200583577797152859/image0.jpg?ex=65c6b596&is=65b44096&hm=2f5d98635a36e576a0775f2a83c8c2ad1c820f892688a402511bfbbbb4ed1792& [23:31:12] Basically what it looks like midway ^ [23:31:49] gotta smash some panes to replace with better [23:54:37] LOL