[00:31:53] [1/2] This is what I found today [00:31:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201686187648233502/92f778cd-e040-43ef-9a27-3b1f39a9950e.png?ex=65cab879&is=65b84379&hm=eba46bd3fcbd4606ae9e253efea53b2f23ad4303ea34e92cc750ba012e6f9944& [00:39:28] [1/2] LOL. [00:39:28] [2/2] Free verses Adds... I knew what I chose 😄 [00:41:06] When the MC wiki was on fandom, you could use the load time as a benchmark for crappy computers, this is no longer the case 😭 [00:42:33] Well... it teaches you patience my friend 😄 [00:46:01] SO they talk about the MH logo, and here I am sitting with their "iconic logo" and wonders WTH that O in fandom logo is suppoed to be? a fire maybe, symbolising how much of a dumpster fire Fandom is? [00:49:05] [1/3] why is "looks like a wikipedia ripoff" a flaw [00:49:06] [2/3] first: it doesn't "look" like it; both use the exact same skin [00:49:06] [3/3] second: the wikis on fandom are homogenized into one another; whereas here you can either keep vector or make your wiki actually stand out by using a different skin (apparently something fandom used to let users do :ThinkerMH:) [00:52:44] I mean pretty easy to rip a hole in every single statement in that picture. Like there being multiple other wiki hosting websites exists... Yet none others are offering quite what MH does for instance [00:56:43] Indeed! [00:57:02] And I have received great service so far in these past few months [00:57:22] (Never been on Fandom though.) [00:57:59] I created an account there, but it was already restricting my Navigation, which I use on all my Wikiaccounts [00:58:03] I keep remembering that image every now and then https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1038499103023308861 [01:18:17] Some of these are downright petty [01:18:22] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Admins_and_other_user_rights_groups_will_soon_have_the_option_to_edit_Quick_Answers stubborn much [01:19:22] Look at all those things you DON'T get when you self-host MediaWiki [01:20:08] So much else is restricted though... [01:20:49] [1/2] Also [01:20:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201698502221234206/image0.jpg?ex=65cac3f1&is=65b84ef1&hm=5bca0569946509817d69f4d71e7d0ad4a4bdfe031aee8b00b75cb8d186c47b36& [01:23:36] YIKES! [01:23:47] On a normal [[wiki]] if you have the [[INTADMIN|Pliers]] you can do whatever you want, why would you, [[Monobook]] already looks chic, especially if you fiddle with the [[CSS]] to make it dark. On fandom, you need to get a stewardcompany rep to do it for you [01:23:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wiki https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/INTADMIN https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Monobook https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CSS [01:23:48]

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[3/3] [01:24:38] The wikitext was to make a point, not to link to information, you ignorant computer! [01:25:26] LOL [01:25:46] Use [] i stead of double brackets 😉 [01:26:26] I need to brreak my wikitext habits, I dream of sunflowers surrounded by square brackets every day [01:29:24] [1/2] Speaking of, I would actually say WikiText is probably better than MakrDown if you are producing documentation, especially if you got [[MediaWiki|Software]] that magically turns it into web pages that your browser can display with a click of a button and does a lot of other cool things, such as version control and a lot of other things (vanilla, don't get me started on extensions, bo [01:29:24] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki [01:29:24] [2/2] ts and other tools) [01:31:20] Yeah I agree. [01:33:48] Plus, you have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Overlink_crisis | those guys] who essentially already perfected the best practices for you and if your MediaWiki instande is not working as expected you can borrow a steward or a interface admin from one of the WM wikis and they most likely find the problem instantly and help you fix it [01:38:27] Indeed. By the way just use: [[w:Wikipedia:Overlink crisis|those guys]] - that works too. No need for complete links 😉 [01:38:27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Overlink_crisis [01:39:03] Depends on the domain and namespaces we are working in [01:39:03] (Ofcourse, now the bot refuses to cooperate 😄 ) [01:39:48] The cooperation is not required, the link should be clickable [01:40:12] That is true [01:40:27] I'm off to bed [01:40:37] 2:40 am [01:40:44] Bye all [01:40:50] Same here [01:41:07] 🛌 Zzzzzz [01:41:17] gn, my sleep schedule is permanently cursed (Zurich issue) [01:41:59] waiting to change usernames is better than fandom making you only be able to change your username once lol [01:42:42] I don't change usernames [01:46:26] <.labster, replying to felenov> The fact that Fandom folks are making fun of us is really good news in terms of getting our name out. [01:47:14] miraheze wins when it is recognized regardless if it's an effort to diss [01:47:27] fandom's failings will speak for themselves [01:47:47] It's just funny how fandom got dragged through the mud, and now (probably fandom employees) they are making memes about more normal wikifarms being bad of sorts [01:48:32] <.labster> I mean like come on, we're the Sigma Male of this image amirite? [01:48:47] Remember kids, installing MediaWiki on a VPS you rented is easy as 1,2,3! [01:48:58] most reception memes of that nature are made by salty ex reception wiki users tbh [01:49:08] though I haven't seen those shill out for fandom so that's interesting [01:49:20] You know, we should make a dedicated wiki farm for reception wikis [01:49:26] <.labster> Yeah I can't imagine Fandom staffers actually caring enough to do this kind of dumb memes [01:49:45] I've thought of that a few times, the problem is nobody with good sense would want to make a farm dedicated to such a drama magnet of a concept [01:50:01] <.labster> Isn't Cocopuff starting a wiki farm? [01:50:21] i don't think even he's trying to be the go-to reception wiki guy, but I guess he has an open market for that [01:50:35] telepedia has its experiment but it's a restricted one [01:50:43] after all it has me keeping a thumb over it [01:51:19] I simply can't imagine anyone within the reception wiki community who could adequately operate a wiki farm [01:51:29] maybe tali with enough effort, that's the only name on the table [01:51:43] I am pretty sure someone will run a hands-off wiki farm with the mandatory ad banner and some nice vector reskins available [01:52:14] no doubt a few of those will pop up in time [01:52:33] <.labster> @tali64, Raidarr thinks you should start a wiki farm lol [01:52:38] yeah you've kinda described coco's project [01:52:52] and yes, tali is the only one in the reception wiki circle I think would have the competence to pull something like that off [01:52:58] with a lot of effort [01:53:17] I seen what happens when you give a shitposter rollback globally one too many times, it's halarious. [01:54:06] money would be a useful deputy in aggressively promoting the wikifarm were it to be made [01:54:12] I have tried to run self-hosted MediaWiki instances numerous times in the past with varying degrees of success [01:54:38] oh it would not be easy at all and you would hate life in due time [01:54:58] I would actually happily run such a dumpster room (literally) under a different alias for a while and see what happens but as of now I got Radiant and Catalyst to work on [01:55:18] and if you got it set up good luck keeping it tip top, look at what's happened with miraheze under the top crop of the platform [01:55:23] tech life is pain [01:56:15] Again, reception wikis can probably still run even at 95% uptime, yea it will lag and catch on fire here and there but as long as their wiki is not deleted it's okay [01:56:46] well one rugged band settled with editthis so the standard isn't high [01:57:24] any welcoming roof would probably do given the aloof/hostile nature of their customary top picks (fandom, miraheze, shoutwiki) [01:58:34] For extra amusement global checkuser and oversight will be given to those who donated $1000 (what can go wrong?) [01:59:54] I think the only one in the space who could pay for anything would be me and I certainly won't be burning money for that even for shits 'n giggles [02:01:04] instead how about take a card out of an old incident I witnessed: make a lottery where you get in by making 200 edits in a couple weeks and then give 5 people admin based off that, boost it to cu for good measure why not [02:01:39] [1/2] Someone out tthere will get salty, pay in crypto (no chargebacks) and oversight the entire wiki they got banned from (I can totally see it) [02:01:40] [2/2] Or some ecelb with a wiki about them paying for it to get oversighted. [02:02:09] may as well sell oversights of undesirable articles, it's fair play given how arbitrarily many articles come about in the first place [02:02:28] Let me show you my logic, go to the English Wikipedia, read all their policy, and put it on it's head - WikiDumpster is open for business! [02:02:40] That's actually a good business model: make people pay $5 a month per wiki but give one active user one free wiki a day [02:03:33] I'd be very interested in knowing how many of them could actually scrap up 5 bucks tbh [02:03:47] Mom's credit card is always up for grabs [02:03:57] that's what most would have to do [02:04:22] They already do it for v-bucks so that's due process [02:04:25] there is an insidious and manipulative opportunity in gamifying reception wikis for their outrage potential [02:04:55] Instead of watching online drama, why not control it directly? [02:04:56] easy traffic, easy activity/community such as it is, to make it truly stable and sane would be to kill what anyone likes about it [02:05:14] learned that lesson the longer hard way [02:05:50] for participants it's a soapbox and for the wider internet it's a living meme, there is a business model in there somewhere [02:06:36] In theory, if we ran a farm that only hosted drama / reception wikis, every one of them is a critical mass ready to go, now clash a few of them together and you get massive fallout, then take another group and let the battle royale commence. Plus we get tons of money from advertising revenue [02:07:35] already a splinter off the telepedia reception wiki that is hell bent on seeing it collapse so you have your conflict right there [02:07:56] doubt they could scrap up 5 bucks between them but hey [02:08:45] Leave making money off of drama to me, I have experience. [02:09:38] I'll be sure to tap you when I tire of babysitting nqp, I certainly couldn't expect more of a vision [02:09:49] Maybe the farm should be a general wiki farm; users get 3 free wikis but then have to pay $5 a month per wiki [02:10:12] Socks exist [02:10:27] not a terrible idea in some cases of pump and dump wiki requestors on miraheze [02:10:45] though they were kinda rare in the first place and I don't know of any now [02:11:03] oh the cvt demands of a reception wiki oriented platform would be enormous [02:11:13] most of my investigative work as a steward came down to reception wikis [02:11:21] or adjacent communities [02:11:43] You were very good at that [02:11:56] If your whole wikifarm is just reception wikis, you leave cvt to them and just open up huggle and watch the fireworks with a nic ecup of joe in hand [02:13:00] Policies on how to handle sockpuppets/their wikis are to be determined later [02:13:01] well you did suggest opening up cu so I suppose that would make delegation simpler [02:13:24] I've had to do a fair amount of checking up on telepedia alone though most cases these days are pretty clear cut [02:13:39] The Russian drama/shitpost wiki space usually involves some sad rollbacker somewhere staring at two walls of nonsense in a diff and trying to figure out which one is the "legit bullshit" and which one is the "vandal bullshit" [02:13:58] mainly been the italian, a really salty guy who was admin for one day, and occasional sightings of roley or the music vandal [02:14:52] yeah this was the stewarding experience sometimes figuring out japanese or far more nebulous wikis [02:15:30] or chinese wikis for that matter, that entire space was a bit of a nightmare when the one native steward was gone; kiju is the only one with any sort of ability in that space miraheze has had for years [02:17:13] Wikimapia is great for that, unless you live in an area, you have no clue what you are dealing wiht [02:18:27] IIRC the record is around 120+ edits an hour for a vent shaft building [02:20:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201713544790540378/image.png?ex=65cad1f3&is=65b85cf3&hm=361076f02041dac17d12e3219739308d167e36d9168f42048114a5fb9bf9a159& [02:24:49] [1/2] Context: a lot of wikimappers are really into UrbEx (I part take in urban exploration often myself) and if you want to explore underground, access points are something that requires a lot of research and generally one trip may take months to plan and fail because some scrap thief went in and tripped the alarm so now they got rebar cages under every access point to stop curious indivi [02:24:50] [2/2] duals from gettig in [03:00:21] [1/2] average chad fandom experience (only chads can handle this kind of screen clutter) [03:00:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201723545055395860/image0.jpg?ex=65cadb44&is=65b86644&hm=b640fb02b5bcbe102eb88b5234cd6a3739ec5f040e77635d992c95f2fa242dc2& [03:11:17] 32Gb RAM? [03:12:49] Item unlocked: Adblocker [03:16:16] And ironically Youtube's whole anti-adblocker campaign, have just made more people than ever aware, that adblockers exist and using them, and I geuss that indirectly would affect fandom ads revenue too then xD [03:27:42] adblock doesnt stop the actual content being 3px wide lol [03:37:45] absolute off the wall nonsense, here, but is anybody here familiar with the mediawiki wiki that is the classic 1d4chan.org, the wiki spinoff of 4chan's /tg/ board from 2009? [03:38:10] i know it's not hosted on Miraheze, but still, i figured there's a chance [09:44:36] I can't even connect to that site [09:48:15] Seen it a few times, why? [11:41:09] It's not ads, it's helpful reccomendations from Google suggesting you try a product. [11:41:20] It's not an ad [11:44:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201855496017944606/image.png?ex=65cb5627&is=65b8e127&hm=5fa973b628329327134c53a17b3cdc227e33390fc5c5a9910ca505a35546e7f5& [11:49:00] Carefully observe the blocking counts of uBo [12:33:37] My question comes because it has lost its hosting, and is planning on migrating here [12:34:42] a wiki about an imageboard? :ThinkerMH: [12:35:44] or an imageboard in the form of wiki? doubt it'll get tru request review [12:47:42] No, it serves as a sort of repository for the various pieces of lore, Homebrew role-playing game material, and tactics that the board's users developed for various role-playing and war game franchises [12:48:05] Fanfiction, favored Warhammer 40K tactics, the history of dungeons and dragons, in jokes and pictures that circulate within the community, that sort of thing [13:03:58] The issue is that the current owner of the domain name and host of the site has disappeared completely and it's not responding to any attempts to contact him. It's my understanding of the community wants to set up a new one, and they're probably going to do it here. [13:04:47] can't even get a dump of it? [13:09:36] I'm part of the committee that's attempting to do that now from the way back machine [13:09:45] It's only about 21 GB in total size, most of it text and jpegs [13:09:59] I say they, because it's not like the guy who owns the site is part of the effort [13:10:07] He has completely disappeared [13:10:23] We tried emailing, we tried getting in touch with his linode provider [13:10:27] Nothing [13:11:44] unfortunate [13:32:34] The committee that we've thrown together to replace him is pulling together an XML dump of the whole site. Once we have it, we'll try to host it here, if that's kosher. [13:37:05] [[Content Policy]] provision 5 may be of interest to you [13:37:05] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [13:37:06]

[13:37:50] I don't think all chans are toxic [13:38:14] I remember when they've been made as fan places lol [13:38:53] but yeah, as long as content of your wiki doesn't breach Miraheze Content Policy, it should be fine [13:39:28] and doesn't bring some kind of negative attention to the platform [13:40:11] we've been DDOS'ed couple of times because of certain wikis [13:46:26] I looked over the content [13:46:49] I can scrub anything that doesn't fit that restriction [13:47:42] Dear, love is a burning fire [13:47:53] Dear, love is a burning fire [13:47:53] Stay, 'cause then the flames grow higher [13:47:54] Babe, don't let him steal your heart, it's easy, easy [13:47:54] Girl, this game can't last forever [13:47:55] Why we cannot live together? [13:47:55] Try, don't let him take your love from me [13:47:56] You're no good, can't you see [13:47:56] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:47:57] I'm in love, set you free [13:47:57] Oh, she's only looking to me [13:47:58] Only love breaks her heart [13:47:58] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:47:59] Only love's paradise [13:47:59] Oh, she's only looking to me [13:48:00] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:48:00] Oh, she's only looking to me [13:48:01] Oh, let it, Louie, she is undercover [13:48:01] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:48:13] So leave it, Louie [13:48:13] 'Cause I'm a lover [13:48:14] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:48:14] Oh, she's only looking to me [13:48:15] Oh, let it, Louie, she is undercover [13:48:15] Brother Louie, Louie, Louie [13:48:16] Oh, doing what he's doing [13:48:16] So leave it, Louie [13:48:17] 'Cause I'm a lover [13:48:17] Brother Louie, Louie [13:48:18] Oh, she's only looking to me [13:48:18] Oh, let it, Louie [13:59:00] Nibbly: oi [13:59:14] RhinosF1: oi [13:59:25] Nibbly: how you do [14:00:32] Tired. You? Also what was this irc trouble [14:01:45] TL;DR ban on sight [14:10:42] Oh I see [14:10:47] Been a while yeah? [14:10:51] Yes [14:18:01] Nibbly: I got an extra 4 hours off work [14:18:18] Niceee [14:18:51] Nibbly: "unforeseen circumstances" [14:19:47] Today was my study day but most of it is now cancelled [18:50:42] <.labster, replying to maulmachine> I visited 1d4chan back in the day. It’s not a toxic community. I would be glad to see you join us here at Miraheze [18:53:46] Excellent [18:53:53] I will I form the committee [18:54:34] <.labster> I assume you’re all grognards by now anyway [18:54:40] Most of us left [18:54:52] The sire went offline for months at a time five times in three years [18:55:00] The casual users are mostly gone [18:55:18] Those of us who remain are the old types who want the site to find new stability [18:57:51] <.labster> O brave new world that people choose Miraheze for stability. (Seriously our old infrastructure we left a week ago was almost breaking apart, so glad to have moved) [19:04:39] I saw notices to that effect on your FAQ, yes [19:07:25] small world :pupCoffeeMH: [20:09:25] Miraheze always seems to have hiccups when I have exams (db141, last june, then the servers dying a little bit last week) so in the name of the future stability of the service, I propose y'all write to my dean to cancel all my exams :p [20:10:57] I didn't know Miraheze was on EditThis.info: https://editthis.info/miraheze/ [20:15:01] That’s a very old version of MediaWiki (1.15) [20:57:10] Oh weird, SPF made that back in 2017 [21:05:51] [1/2] @nibblypup intereating status [21:05:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1201996724000784464/image.png?ex=65cbd9af&is=65b964af&hm=7b9397a5b8cea635e6e18abde7d046f294895226c05d9c6126a1c5d1928a6302& [21:11:08]