[00:36:01] not the pronouns themselves its the intentional disrespect for someone's preferences, other guy is just going out of their way to be a jerk [00:58:03] I might have different views on this subject, but I won't tell others what to do or to believe or feel etc. Each has the right to his, her, their chices. [00:58:20] We have to respect that [00:59:18] Indeed [01:29:53] <.labster> Google for many years thought I was a woman based on my browsing habits, but I didn’t get upset at them. [03:19:12] are there any people with sysop on login wiki? https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User_Phabricator2 and https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User_Phabricator still use the old phab url instead of issue-tracker [03:19:28] not a big issue but if anyone wanna fix [03:19:30] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [03:48:52] There are no sysops or bureaucrats on loginwiki. It is a wiki managed by SRE (since it's sole purpose is technical), and CVT can take actions there if necessary as well but there is no local administration there, and no local community. [04:31:19] It's a matter of interwiki tables, funny enough [04:31:48] So this would actually be a change to the global interwiki table. [04:44:11] Can you change phab: to point to issue-tracker? [04:51:24] done, should work now... [04:51:29] [[phab:]] [04:51:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab: [04:51:30]

[04:51:35] Yep yep yep [04:52:07] [[phabricator:]] [04:52:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phabricator: [04:52:08]

[04:54:50] @notaracham could you add [[phorge:]] as well [04:54:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge: [04:54:51]

[04:59:28] Done [04:59:40] thanks!! [05:03:25] @notaracham have like, 30 seconds in DMs? no more than that [05:03:30] quick Q regarding NDAs [05:05:55] Sure [05:07:37] sent through [10:44:03] ```Also, since this "foundation" is now hosted on the USA, and since Miraheze is now a "public charity", I invoke my first amendment rights to freedom of speech``` not even the other guy who starts with n was this deluded [10:45:50] 5 stars for effort in dealing with nimo @kiju1108, unfortunately you see the other side of the coin dealing with people who will twist everything, actively lie or mislead while accusing everyone else of the same (after all it couldn't be he who is the problem), and who will clearly continue being a pestilent cloud on the platform until ostracized appropriately [10:46:28] the answer for a respectable steward is to take the exact opposite approach that I've taken (in other words definitely not do as I do here) and procedurally, but efficiently deal with it [10:49:14] Yeah, that was annoying. But in every community you have at least one. It becomes worse when there's a group of buddies that hype eachother up. At least we don't have that here (yet) [10:49:33] the previous one did, that was what really made it a mess [10:49:51] Before my time then [10:50:07] he was supported until I took the time to essentially sabotage myself by going all in on proving exactly why he was a long-term pestilence [10:50:24] you can imagine my patience for that sort of person has only dropped now [10:57:07] Aren't you happy that you're not part of the Wikipedia ArbCom then 😄 [10:57:37] I saw that, seems like some kind of thermodynamics law in action on Mira lol, an individual has left a vacuum which was immediately taken by another [10:58:02] There always will be one [10:58:21] I'd probably be the most extreme [10:58:28] 😄 [10:58:52] I had vestiges of this before miraheze but miraheze has keenly developed my sharp sense of tolerance [10:59:04] I have it until I don't, at which point I will throw the book and the entire table with it [10:59:12] haha [11:01:07] [1/2] The most problematic users though are the ones that have good contributions to a project, but when they're not they are a menace. [11:01:07] [2/2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130424124454/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_feed_the_divas [11:01:23] that is also a trend [11:02:11] I've consistently seen the most damage from people who really do have at least enough wits about them and/or the contributions that you cannot immediately dismiss them, but either those contributions degrade over time or are easily overwhelmed by the moral damage caused by letting them run amok [11:02:43] agreed [11:03:17] And they always had buddies in the admingroup who dominated the other admins [11:03:39] It is especially bad on nl:wikipedia [11:04:56] ArbCom cases can go on for many months, and currently there is one almost a year in the making with temporary measurements that admins are calling for quits as they don't agree with the way things are going. [11:05:21] if that group is the dominating force my general inclination is to fork off/otherwise be rid of them tbh [11:05:31] It's like a lion that only can bite when all the members give it it's false teeth in [11:05:42] of course on something as central as wikipedia, even something with the position of miraheze that may be easier said than done [11:05:53] true [11:07:32] [1/2] But in all the years I was active there, and it still is, a culture of asking blocks, asking measures against eachother, with long lists of bad behaviour, and nothing constructive that comes from it. [11:07:33] [2/2] I am just happy I just gone from there. So toxic [11:07:46] indeed [11:09:14] And then all those who shout "I'm leaving" w/ a large banner "Left wikipedia" and then a few days come back, in the hope they had support, and how sad every one was tosee them go. At least twice a year [11:09:57] But Let's jump to another topic [11:10:03] 😄 [11:32:36] ahhh [14:24:55] @agentisai how many Phabricator emails do you get? Herald adds you to every new task, how do you find anything [15:54:52] [1/2] anybody here interested in discussing each others' worlds with me? [15:54:52] [2/2] (for context I'm planning on making two games that take place in the same universe, a platformer, and an rpg) [16:48:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207005351480786996/image.png?ex=65de1254&is=65cb9d54&hm=819671e52a1bc99ae2f9e1decb0f9ccdc0aa91d50c5bbf19ae44e37593b66778& [16:52:01] Made a tiny UI framework that fits into a single .dll in the process too [16:58:55] Going to code some DSP into that bad boy (bass boost and maybe echo) [17:40:09] this is a weirdly specific request, but in an attempt to help a non native eng speaking friend writing a 70s punk character, I'm asking if someone based in UK could consult on profane slang spoken in UK as a barrage of "quirky british insults" lists from google doesn't really help [17:50:38] Looked back at the UhLukas guy’s wiki request [17:50:45] :pillow_wheeze: [17:52:16] I feel like @rhinosf1 would be good for that job 😄 [17:54:46] A bit before my time [18:03:15] I am not from the UK but I can definitely say the word twat and a lot of victorian references are used. If you want to see the most vile of the UK dark humor the midlands are probably where you find it [18:05:15] still might work tho 😅 [18:07:46] Anyway, I had this idea: skin a miraheze wiki to look like fandom except it's MH (I am pretty sure the reception wiki wiki administrator would love it, let me spin up a local instance to test a few things) [18:08:24] Evelution skin: am I a joke to you [18:09:12] although it's missing that disgusting vertical left bar [18:09:26] You say it like it's a bad thing [18:10:12] We need the left bar that points to meta.miraheze.org [18:10:49] get the fuck out [18:10:53] \j [18:11:34] and Oasis skin! [18:12:04] if you really really wanna you can make this vertical stripe w/ js lol [18:12:33] I wasn't there when Oasis became a thing but looking at how people revolted against it ... [18:12:45] little they knew it could get worse [18:13:13] I am probably the last person you want to be giving the [[WP:PLIERS]] for a good reason [18:13:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WP:PLIERS [18:13:14]

[18:15:53] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Cosmos oh [18:17:01] I initially joined Mira because of Cosmos, but then stayed for Timeless 🙏 [18:18:03] I like Monobook a lot, it's a very simple and well laid out skin [18:19:31] and I respect that [18:20:05] For me it's Citizen, too responsive to me lol [18:20:28] I have made a custom hybrid - Vector 2010 with Monobook's background image [18:25:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207029823197683732/image.png?ex=65de291f&is=65cbb41f&hm=39491d7cf8b3b51100ec090b970d20f99020cc42431ba06116c593821304caea& [18:28:44] I just realized that fandom is the only wiki farm that calls their meta. something else [18:32:26] community wiki [18:32:37] it's been like that since wikia days [18:35:49] ShoutWiki calls their meta "ShoutWiki Hub" [18:36:10] that's a weird name 🤔 [18:36:10] Was just about to say that lol [18:36:17] Miraheze Meta rolls off the tongue [18:36:26] ShoutWiki Hub isn't quite that :p [18:36:28] its on their root domain also, no subdomain [18:47:58] ShoutWiki should probably call it quits already [18:50:22] Its wiki creator has been offline for over three and a half years, although there is still some active staff there (mostly Lcawte) and it got HTTPS recently [18:50:51] Yeah and their main focus seems to be that Special:Random isn't random all the time lmfao [18:52:54] Despite the fact that user contributions are broken on the Hub on desktop view because of a CW issue (which they should probably fix) [18:54:43] yo, Original, maybe you and help w/ my silly request [18:55:11] gwon [18:55:24] I should stop the slang [18:57:01] You're not the only one; I accidentally coined the word "veen" a couple of days ago (https://amazingyoutubers.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?logid=12782) [18:58:01] no [18:58:20] adding that to my dictionary now. [18:59:28] May as well have a definition: `veen - to be an issue` [19:17:31] Timeless my beloved [19:18:45] Fun fact: the very first version of Cosmos was a JavaScript version built using timeless in MediaWiki:Timeless.js, and the second version (PHP version of actually skin used Timeless as a base) [19:19:29] the more you know [19:19:35] woah [19:19:37] Timeless doesn't veen much either; I'd say it's the most stable skin after legacy Vector [19:20:29] when I suggested to have Timeless as option on wiki.gg server everyone looked at me like at madman [19:21:13] and the argument was "we don't want to limit users" [19:21:19] True, I haven't had any css break for it, while aside from darkmode, but that's just the extension being a mess [19:21:49] when I see having only Vector is the limitation [19:21:55] quite a big one [19:22:11] unless you have some CSS/JS gurus in you admin team [19:23:34] New slang just dropped: `veen - 1. (v.) to cause or be an issue; 2. (adj.) problematic` [19:23:53] I may have just created one of the most useful words in the English language completely by accident [19:23:56] based :BardoniaBased: [19:24:25] okay time to copy paste my code to make miraheze a third shitty auth bot! [19:24:35] name suggestions accepted [19:24:45] hive [19:24:48] hivemind [19:24:49] Make sure it doesn't veen [19:24:56] you get the idea lol [19:26:21] lol [19:26:27] I like that [19:26:49] Also, we could use your old bee mascot image as a profile [19:26:58] [1/2] What the? 😭 [19:26:58] [2/2] How in the world would that limit users [19:27:25] https://tenor.com/view/wobble-pensive-emoji-pensive-ish-wobblepensive-gif-26167268 [19:27:26] what [19:28:09] Fandom has the same issue; if they at least had Monobook or Vector as skin options, every wiki wouldn't look the same [19:28:12] also gonna need to find a way to set up a callback url for OAuth drat [19:28:13] I saw how Inkipedia fixed Vector-like layout on Timeless on bigger screen and it's perfect?? [19:28:21] I now use it on other wikis [19:28:29] I can do that locally ez but to extend to miraheze is gonna be a pain [19:28:32] eh ill ignore that issue [19:28:37] <.labster, replying to bwm0> Miraheze Meta sounds too much like we support Facebook. [19:28:49] true lol [19:28:51] <.labster> Maybe WikiTide Pool [19:29:00] fuck thats noice [19:29:05] ☠️ [19:29:18] that was good [19:30:01] Zukk stole from us, obviously [19:30:25] I still remember how dropped monobook [19:30:57] <.labster> Damn you Zuckbo [19:31:42] [1/2] I forgot that this was my testing server for bots [19:31:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207046459245994074/1d6hou3.png?ex=65de389d&is=65cbc39d&hm=37bb1eb60bf6f4061170a34697cb77ca07a423357dedfe5542fd1c84a689f4c9& [19:32:09] <.labster> I just wish there was a way to install only Vector2010 [19:32:33] [[w:Malebolge]] if you dont know [19:32:33] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malebolge [19:32:34]

[19:32:57] Fraud [19:43:14] [1/2] ;) [19:43:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207049359255015494/lkZgcG8.png?ex=65de3b51&is=65cbc651&hm=90e03a0cb547b7c9f749fd2b312a1a662858958ad65590fe1a6406dbaaae52dd& [19:43:27] since it seems to be the source of most issues [19:43:32] throw a little lab at it [20:09:44] <.labster, replying to pixldev> Did you ask for me? [20:10:05] pfffft [20:10:14] i meant to type “jab@ [20:10:48] although throwing a chair at the job queue may not be a bad idea :MegaThonk: [20:11:24] Do you have a canon? [20:13:35] <.labster> https://www.egscomics.com/image/canon.png [20:14:14] get in we gotta fix the job queue [20:17:00] The job queue is quite veen [22:11:06] the veenest [22:40:22] [1/2] dang we’re not having any more extension requests for a few months I guess xD [22:40:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207093942374629406/image.png?ex=65de64d6&is=65cbefd6&hm=d043f2be98cd08a7a3bdd0454c517423a304471779a59205bede19f632e3703a& [22:40:30] (i forgor my pc on) [22:50:39] how do you get it to show that? I've always wondered. [22:54:28] It's a VSCode Plugin iirc [22:54:51] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=LeonardSSH.vscord [22:54:59] heh I just found one for PHPStorm [22:55:06] VSCode irks me [22:55:35] yeah I know jetbrains also has [22:55:44] I have on PyCharm was well [22:55:56] It's really funny when you forget your pc [22:55:59] coding for 23 hours [22:56:08] ahh it works! [22:57:03] :based: [22:57:12] its super wierd that it shows you a link to the repo, though. [22:57:16] not sure if I like that. [22:58:35] What? [22:58:39] I don't see a link [22:58:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1207098584676175933/GVvUXLY.png?ex=65de6929&is=65cbf429&hm=1d80d793f0895df20c032be8326ee407a2324892c1079034a20d837b37de2473& [22:58:59] yeah I'm not editing a git repo [22:59:09] it shows if you do though [22:59:14] It's prob in settings somewherew [23:08:51] Is it possible to request a author only OAuth app? mwcli is um, not playing nice with the OAuth extension locally [23:19:18] <.labster, replying to pixldev> What exactly do you mean? [23:20:19]