[00:22:40] yey I solved my user profile issue now heh [00:23:08] I see we have a first in #elections [00:23:42] Unfortunately so [00:24:22] It feels a but weird for elections to be used for revocation [00:24:26] But best fit ig [00:24:36] I’ll have to review all I can later [00:24:42] but I thibk I may abstain [00:24:48] Not because Owen's a bad person (he's not, like, at all) but if he doesn't wish to participate on MH at all and doesn't believe in data privacy, he probably shouldn't retain such a right. [00:24:51] I dont know enough to hudges [00:24:54] That's essentially it [01:40:17] lab had the best take of putting the question to him straight [01:56:00] <.labster> I'm a genius, after all. [01:57:27] hoping he responds [01:59:14] <.labster, replying to bwm0> [1/2] > doesn't believe in data privacy [01:59:14] <.labster, replying to bwm0> [2/2] We all believe in data privacy, we just have different ideas of what represents the best way to protect our users privacy. [02:00:07] I realized that was the wrong words, should’ve been “doesn’t believe Miraheze has data privacy” [02:23:11] omg I've been reworking this one template for 45 minutes and I accidentally cancelled the edit and deleted the draft.. fml [03:17:26] <.labster> Can't you just click back in the browser? [03:20:17] Nah it gone sadly [04:44:01] <.labster> Is there a reason [[drawnfanonfeet:Main Page]] still exists? Just waiting for the new content policy maybe? [04:44:01] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/drawnfanonfeet:Main_Page [04:44:02]

[04:44:37] <.labster> Sigh, one of these days I'll figure out interwiki [04:44:41] This was a point of concern as of a while ago (pre-June '23) [04:44:51] [[mh:drawnfanonfeet:Main Page]] [04:44:51] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/drawnfanonfeet:Main_Page [04:44:52]

[04:46:30] <.labster> so, `mh:` for non-meta wikis? [04:46:47] yes [04:47:03] meta can even be done as [[mh:meta:Example]] [04:47:03] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:Example [04:47:04]

[04:47:15] I'm scared of visiting this url on the work wifi. lmao What is this /rhet [04:47:27] I disgustingly weird wiki [04:47:31] I mean [04:47:40] it kind of violates the NSFW clause on minors [04:47:44] which is disgusting [04:47:56] but I don't think we ever got around to it [04:48:23] https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516 [04:49:40] hoping soon [04:49:50] @kiju1108 could you take a look [04:49:56] afaik there's an active report as well on SN [04:50:10] <.labster> I mean, what's wrong with furry bird bondage feet pix? [04:51:35] um [04:53:19] Sure, as soon as I get home [04:53:25] thanks [04:54:38] <.labster> I honestly can't tell if any of these cartoon animals are underage. [04:54:55] :honse: [04:55:25] Even the fact that they might be/could be construed as underage is enough [04:55:26] Or should be [04:56:15] Though I lean heavily on the safe side on how and when to enforce the CP [04:57:06] <.labster> mmmm I don't think that's enough, no. I think under the new policy, like, it's not porn, but it's close enough to damage our reputation, and probably bannable on those grounds. [04:57:19] Yea... I don't really like the defence that "Nah it's fine, they just LOOK like they're 10". If it looks like CP, it should be treated like CP. [04:57:29] Pretty much [04:57:40] <.labster> It doesn't really, it looks like looney tunes [04:57:42] Especially when it comes to something like CP [04:57:51] <.labster> Like, how old is Roadrunner? [04:57:56] I'll be a bit more liberal with scope broadness or narrowness [04:58:05] But uh, CSAM.....no [04:58:10] Surely if anything is sexual in nature it should be regarded as porn? Even if it's not like.. full on ass and tits lol (+1 to things I did not expect to say in this server) [04:58:28] <.labster> it does seem to be intended for sexual stimulation, yes. [04:58:57] I'm revisiting this wiki to see just how bad the CP violations are [04:58:59] and WTF [04:59:16] Like [04:59:17] <.labster> yeah, i get stronger wtf vibes than content violation vibes [04:59:17] like [04:59:33] hundo percent [04:59:52] That should be the gist of it yeah lol [05:00:44] <.labster> "Tickl-O-Matic Mk IV" [05:00:55] so uh Labster [05:01:05] https://drawnfanonfeet.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Dbe3bad-d80989eb-47d3-4b85-956c-d8ef5a4e9686.png [05:01:06] wtf [05:01:24] like I can't this needs to be at the minimum closed and marked as private while under investigation [05:01:49] the depths of humanity.... [05:01:50] <.labster> Isn't that just a vocaloid picture? [05:02:24] Possibly [05:02:58] here it is: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests#Content_Policy_+_Code_of_Conduct_violations_@_drawnfanonfeet [05:04:25] <.labster> Yeah, that's Len Kagamine from Vocaloid. Looks like official art of him. [05:04:32] Ummm what type of convo did I just read lmao [05:05:01] <.labster> we're checking out drawnfanonfeetwiki [05:05:02] oh your talking about a wiki, I missed that very important part lol [05:05:04] This is me currently [05:05:24] <.labster> I got linked to it from the Gazeteer, naturally [05:05:27] surfing through the pages, y'know, the regular [05:06:24] 🤮 [05:06:53] of all vocaloids why the teen ones (we know why) [05:06:54] Wow okay that was some conversation that just took me a bit by surprise walking into it lol [05:06:57] <.labster> Bro there are much worse things on the internet, much worse. [05:07:24] I didn't mean to click on offtopic, I thought I was in general also [05:07:51] But yeah its far from the worst thing I have ever seen talked about on Discord. [05:08:00] Very true, still bleh though [05:08:14] <.labster> It's a pretty weird night in general, I got called out for canvassing, there's an election to unelect a mod. [05:09:18] Honestly is there even a policy for revocation on Discord? I don't remember the RfC that instituted elections create a revocation policy but maybe and I just don't remember [05:09:20] [1/3] - Canvassing for Labster's GS request [05:09:20] [2/3] - Electing to unelect Owen [05:09:21] [3/3] - Finding a teen-focused feet wiki [05:09:21] Fun times [05:09:42] I don't believe there was but if there's an election, inherently there should be an opposite mechanism [05:10:24] That wasn't the case for some elected groups for years on-wiki, intentionally so, so I don't think that's the case either. [05:10:51] There should be a specific mention of it [05:12:19] Do we really need to? [05:12:20] I can [05:12:26] but is it absolutely necessary [05:12:43] It feels common sense-ish to have a revocation ability if an election ability exists [05:13:17] <.labster> I don't feel it's all that necessary to spell it out, basic parliamentary procedure assumes things like this [05:13:40] <.labster> if a body can elect an officer, they can remove that officer by the same vote, unless a term is given. [05:13:52] Yes [05:15:25] [1/8] I'm happy to quick a create RfC to codify [05:15:26] [2/8] ``` [05:15:26] [3/8] This RfC creates a revocation policy for Discord moderators and administrators. The following criteria will be used for revocation votes: [05:15:26] [4/8] - 60% support threshold [05:15:27] [5/8] - At least 5 users express their view [05:15:27] [6/8] - Request must be open for 7 days [05:15:27] [7/8] ``` [05:15:28] [8/8] but would prefer to avoid the hassle [05:21:14] No no, you're checking it out, I'm keeping a healthy distance and just getting the third-person experience lmao [05:23:46] <.labster> Honestly it will not ruin your life, some of the pictures are laughably bad. [05:24:35] <.labster> I still don't want it on Miraheze. Some of this is a natural fit for danbooru or pixiv, though. [05:25:09] I'm using a police network right now, I'll fucking die man if I touch it XD [05:25:39] I also just in general don't ever want 'feet' in my browsing history hah [05:31:36] <.labster> Actually, I think Stewards should consider closing the Content/Dormancy policy RfC. There seems to be near-unanimous consensus on every issue (excluding Nimo obviously), with the exception of 1.4 which is 2-to-1 against. [05:32:24] I suggested before, even to WikiTide [05:32:52] that such wikis may be a part of file hosting clause [05:33:10] but in overall, they are generally harmless [05:33:21] in this case, I've reported actual violations [05:33:28] To be clear overall, 1.4 currently happens [05:33:36] And wouldn't stop happening even if it fails [05:34:05] <.labster> Sure, but I'm happy with it being unwritten policy. If it's written down, it will discourage valid wikis from being created. [05:34:11] Yep [05:34:59] <.labster> Like, stick 1.4 on staffwiki or wherever, and I'm totes chill about it. In the content policy I'm a strong oppose. [05:35:36] That's fair for sure [05:37:23] [1/2] ngl, it really seems like the wiki is run by minors (and let's be honest, teens are getting into such things because they are teens) [05:37:23] [2/2] I'm saying this by looking at admins' behaviour [05:38:32] I don't agree with 1.4 myself. I've been vocal about that before I don't see some of those needing to be banned. [05:38:41] At least some of it [05:39:09] Fanon and Worldbuilding I definitely don't agree with. [05:39:45] I feel like 1.4 should have been split to allow partial voting on some of them with less controversial ones differently [05:40:46] "Encyclopedia of everything" for example I would support [05:42:38] <.labster, replying to cosmicalpha> Are those usually political axe-grinding, or just unfocused, or what? [05:43:07] [1/2] what was that wiki again called [05:43:07] [2/2] that had admin drama [05:43:20] I can't remember [05:43:46] Just unnecessary, messy, and mostly a lot of simply importing from Wikipedia, or more prone to copyright issues. [05:44:19] yeah [05:45:26] It wasn't mine was it cause, I'd believe it if it was. XD [13:12:43] convention should hopefully be sane enough that we assume this works like any other mira process, what community can giveth community can taketh away [13:12:57] but having it mentioned at least somewhat would be best [13:18:34] yeah [13:18:47] I’ll go ahead and do it [15:20:33] I was skimming through this and got so confused [15:21:17] Cause the three things people typically refer to me online as are pixel, pixl, and pix [15:21:35] Well sometimes full name [15:21:41] Dev is rare [15:22:04] But yeah it felt like reading my name :sus: [15:22:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1209882751797305435/image.png?ex=65e88a1e&is=65d6151e&hm=40b41044df6b6b93e8f119bffb2fd6d7e1e0164909c2853cf38f31a32320c3b8& [15:22:24] So true! [15:23:01] Encyclopaedia Mundiae really captured the essence perfectly [15:52:12] Also @.labster I just realized, you should probably give yourself the MWTSV role(I’m assuming since this thing was born purely from a comment from me we not having an official process to grant it) [15:52:19] Cause why not [15:53:33] [1/2] I do stuff like this so much 😭 [15:53:33] [2/2] Just what I get for making my username based on two common household objects ig [15:53:52] Lmao [15:54:09] how is that revolutionary water cooling technology coming along anyway [16:00:50] [1/2] errrrr [16:00:50] [2/2] The fridge sorta kinda died [16:04:10] Apparently "a refrigerator's compressor isn't built to handle large amounts of active heat output" 🙄 [16:05:01] oof [17:58:11] [1/2] Some posted this MiraTide mashup logo on their userpage [17:58:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1209922028606464121/image0.png?ex=65e8aeb2&is=65d639b2&hm=acadc12266a787eaf35f7b14006e2fd4171424ba72a95054bedab36ac6bb3743& [18:01:53] The WT logo sure is more versatile [18:04:54] I went for a walk just now, and, on my way home, a pair of mating flies landed on top of my glasses. [18:05:20] pretty cool, don't you think? [18:18:48] I would like to see the outer hives in Yellow, see how that looks [19:09:25] Interesting, the way the edges of the Miraheze and WT logo line up tho 😭 [19:19:43] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/786615849921675294/1209939569269809164 role color change [19:19:49] WHICH ONE [21:12:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1209971038008643625/kzBWh0Q.png?ex=65e8dc57&is=65d66757&hm=4f83acf7760842b1346a6181346c80e193c69bba2184801b6f4d03905f96611c& [21:13:01] @bwm0 [21:13:32] CVT general role is that one [21:14:08] not much sense to have an icon for a role if it implies having a role that will override it [21:14:20] unless we wanna keep all cvt under one icon [21:14:33] There's a lot of icons and we can make them fit to roles [21:14:39] is there a GS-specific one? [21:14:42] if not, just make it that [21:15:15] GS was the one I was stumped on iirc [21:15:25] On enwiki the mop is the admin symbol [21:16:08] admin = sysop [21:16:14] global sysop [21:16:17] so that works I guess [21:16:22] but then what's meta admin [21:17:18] yeah [21:17:33] not gonna bother tbh [21:17:44] truthfully I forget about it a lot [21:17:50] and you can only use a mop so much [21:18:05] plus when was the last time you say someone whos top role is meta admin [21:18:21] Ooh, I was autopatroled by Pppery on DEV. 🙂 [22:09:55] Zppix: heads up, your personal website isn't working. Not sure if you're already aware, but there are some problems right now with Freenom's domains (.tk, .cf, .ml, etc.). You probably want to reach out to them by email to regain control. [22:10:49] I'm assuming that quite a few wikis on Miraheze have been impacted -- anyone using those domains would have failed TLS cert renewal if it expired within the past ~2-3 weeks. [22:11:06] think @cosmicalpha was supposed to renew ssl certs [22:11:10] *if it's certs expired/needed renewals [22:13:15] bah [22:13:19] if its* [22:13:58] I thought Miraheze was doing all tls certs automatically with a letsencrypt bot. [22:15:32] Anyway, I'm not sure who else is using .tk/.cf/.ml, but I noticed zppix was, and popped in to main to see. [22:22:16] Freenom has halted domain registration due to a lawsuit filed by Meta and likely won't resume it anytime soon [22:25:59] RIP [22:31:44] booooooooooooooooooooo [22:31:54] I hate that meta! [22:51:32] freenom actually made a press release. It's much worse than "halted domain registration": [22:51:34] https://www.freenom.com/en/freenom_pressstatement_02122024_v0100.pdf [22:52:13] It is "exit[ing] the domain name business, including the operation of registries" [23:08:41] 😮 [23:41:34] <.labster> Petition to rename meta.miraheze on the basis that Zuck ruined that word forever [23:41:43] @Silent @pixldev [23:41:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1210008538311561286/V01Crgg.png?ex=65e8ff44&is=65d68a44&hm=77c8995be561dfb13d3f20410103aebbb28c60bb69736464f4953b5e89b34df3& [23:41:58] community.miraheze.org doesn't have a bad ring to it [23:41:59] lemme try [23:42:34] @rodejong did it work? [23:42:36] #general [23:42:40] I like that [23:42:55]