[01:41:44] dang ro spaming giberish how could you. 😆 https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/743072681057845378/1211488055169384488 [01:54:30] @originalauthority hows garda doin [01:56:52] good. I've got the token bit working now, so I am able to auth someone when they /auth, just need to insert that into the database and then the auth is nearly done heh [01:56:54] wby? [01:59:13] Haven’t been able to work cause procrastinating on finishing school work :/ [01:59:32] womp [01:59:36] I always credit Wikipedia this way. [01:59:51] Can't help it that the CVT bot sees that as gibberish [01:59:53] 😄 [02:00:01] hes um [02:00:08] not the brightest tool in our shed [02:01:54] gotta get those grades [02:24:50] [1/2] While crediting Wikipedia, IT accuses me for possible Copy violations 😄 OMG [02:24:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211499083487776769/image.png?ex=65ee6b72&is=65dbf672&hm=ce9bd82f89cd3b9337637f7e757e5c04396725844f4e1918ba3b0bbf09dc9775& [02:27:46] Agent said that the bot marks an edit as a possible copyvio if it's larger than a certain amount of characters: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/443926951292567562/1210423756833558598 [02:29:02] Interesting. [02:29:44] Like a 200 words paragraph can't be copyvio? 😄 [02:30:26] But logic dictates that it is more likely indeed with large addings [03:21:20] How does the gibberish detection work? [03:52:47] <.labster> @orduin or @kiju1108 can you please close https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Content_and_Dormancy_Policies ? Two weeks and consensus seems clear. [13:59:18] I intend to keep it open until there are no more comments being added. It seems that the addition of votes is still in progress [14:20:08] _is guilty of that_ [16:54:22] Compiling an annotated bibliography of all sources that mention Miraheze or any wiki we host: https://tali64.miraheze.org/wiki/Annotated_bibliography:_Miraheze [18:48:20] anyone knows a spell/grammar checking place that doesn't asks you to pay after couple of first uses? [18:48:28] English yes [19:16:06] Depends also on what kind of English you want [19:16:26] American English, British English [19:17:10] But I think it is hard to find anything free that is a complete Thesaurus [20:37:01] Grammarly seems like a good tool [20:37:47] Google docs has a basic spell check built in [20:40:54] Chrome browsers spelling checker does a decent job also [20:41:35] Even in this chat it recognizes mistakes and underlines it red. Also on wiki, etc. [20:42:03] well just spellchecking is small thing [20:42:16] I'm still struggling w/ grammar [20:42:17] Mainly Grammer? [20:43:01] Hm. I don’t remember how good Grammarly’ free tier is(thank you school account with premium for some reason) [20:43:05] [1/3] I do understand. [20:43:05] [2/3] I tried for a while to translate news articles from Russian to English. [20:43:05] [3/3] Even You and I get switched around [20:44:08] Often it gives talking in 3rd person [20:44:41] After a while I could understand what they were meaning [20:45:09] but it was hard at the beginning [20:45:50] <.labster, replying to tali64> not exactly notable sources 😦 [20:46:39] They're not intended to be notable in any way; it's just a list of compiled sources [20:46:58] Now that I think about it, compiling sources might make for a good wiki [20:47:17] [1/2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/301254853893549 [20:47:17] [2/2] That was my group a few years ago. But it was too depressing, translating all the sad stories [20:47:31] That’s a very small wiki [20:47:38] <.labster> Nah, I just was hoping for notable sources [20:47:45] We need to lobby the big guys [20:47:55] Not really; the potential scope is infinite [20:47:59] I love your wiki's look though [20:48:02] As of right now [20:49:05] We do need to find ways to get coverage and spread the word [20:49:53] Maybe could convince some reporter to write something about all these big wikis leaving fandom [20:50:03] <.labster> I found this one linked to the first deviantart (dont' worry, it's from 2021) https://www.deviantart.com/smg4nerd4591/journal/Miraheze-Reception-Wikis-are-Rotten-Websites-887902059 [20:52:19] I'm actually about to put that in the article [20:53:15] <.labster> And I wrote this on my own wiki back in 2014: http://blog.brentlaabs.com/2014/02/troping-considered-harmful.html [20:54:50] Hmm... the Spanish Wikipedia has an article on Miraheze, but not the English Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraheze [20:56:04] [1/2] Rate my workspace [20:56:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211778733166567494/4fdde8e96b562262.png?ex=65ef6fe3&is=65dcfae3&hm=c3ac838290e1abf2d4fca110e0a9a2bfa511cc153c969c1d1610bb1b6cf0d87b& [20:56:05] yeah lol [20:56:24] Any other ones? [20:57:02] There might be, but I don't know of any [20:57:50] there's an entry on MediaWiki and wikirealirt.ru [20:58:00] Looks like some [20:58:12] Italian and I think Esperanto? [20:58:17] Someone might want to write a page about Miraheze, it meets WP's notability reqs [20:58:20] Ja [20:58:32] [[w:Draft:Miraheze]] [20:58:32] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miraheze [20:58:32]

[20:58:33] it was declined [20:58:41] for lacking notability [20:59:09] I just put `Miraheze site:wikipedia.org` into google [20:59:14] If you wanna try [20:59:41] [1/2] it's kind of absurd really [20:59:41] [2/2] platform exists for nearly a decade and is well known among wiki people but isn't allowed to have article on Wikipedia [21:00:01] Dang Italian Wikipedia used our Phab as a source [21:00:11] https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraheze [21:00:30] How is notability even measured? Cause I'd argue it's subjective as fuck [21:00:48] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [21:00:49] [[wp:Notability]] [21:00:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wp:Notability [21:00:50]

[21:01:11] Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. [21:01:17] [1/2] it's pretty outdated now, the last docuemnted event is db141 disaster [21:01:17] [2/2] [21:01:26] We don’t exactly have lots of coverage [21:01:36] yup [21:02:04] like some really notable independent outlets should make something about Mira [21:02:14] blogs and yt vids ofc don't count [21:02:26] If only [21:02:44] Oh is this why the phrase "Any publicity is good publicity", so you can get a page on Wikipedia? Lol /j [21:03:39] Exactly! [21:03:53] <.labster> We're also on wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42671570 [21:04:05] That’s not a high bar. [21:04:06] my wiki got on wikidata lol [21:04:09] recently [21:04:19] I could make a wiki data on my cat [21:04:22] Well [21:04:25] If he existed [21:04:26] not separately but as "Miraheze page" [21:06:08] <.labster> https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miraheze [21:06:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211781313657442345/image.png?ex=65ef724a&is=65dcfd4a&hm=88285e8da1a4afe1d7e6d2e02a8b8ac797dd9346f862441a4de9f0c0ad0036a6& [21:06:21] I can’t read Japanese [21:06:34] Hm, Es isn’t on there [21:06:38] What the bottom one? [21:06:42] Esperanto [21:06:47] Hindi [21:06:54] Oh [21:07:00] Or Urdu [21:07:13] Any got good cites, [21:07:16] No Bangla [21:07:21] Bangladesh [21:07:27] That’s too many [21:07:47] <.labster> [1/2] haha even Japanese doesn't know how to pronounce us [21:07:47] <.labster> [2/2] > 「ミラヘゼ」「マイラヒーズ」「ミラハゼ」「ミラエゼ」 [21:09:04] There is a draft though that got declined on ENwp [21:09:05] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miraheze [21:09:07] Mais uma vez, em inglês por favor? [21:09:17] Yup [21:09:31] Heck one of my 6 enwiki edits are on there [21:09:44] <.labster> that's /miraheze/, /mairahi:z/, /mirahaze/, /miraezu/ [21:09:54] So IPA? [21:10:01] <.labster> I'm trying to IPA, yes [21:10:17] <.labster> the "r" is probably not right but whatever [21:11:13] <.labster> Yeah, Miraezu is my new favorite pronounciation [21:15:27] [1/2] Me (do re Mi fa sol) Ra (like Egyptian God) He (Hay (without j at the end)) ze (Like the u in Duh) [21:15:28] [2/2] MI RA HAyzU (dutch pronounciation) 😄 [21:17:21] Interesting… [21:22:06] The French won't pronounce the H. It will be something like Mira Eze [21:26:31] I wonder how John and SPF pronounce it [21:54:29] The first one is how you'd read it in Polish [21:55:12] I like how it was 20°F a week ago and now it's 75°F [21:55:21] Thank you climate change, very cool! [21:55:42] How much is that in Celcius? [21:56:40] Below freezing to a pretty warm day I think [21:56:51] soon sunny Siberia will become the best destination for summer vacations [21:57:03] -6.7 to 23 [21:57:04] Ish [21:57:14] ah. [21:58:58] What’s up with [[Tech:$reception]] [21:58:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:%24reception [21:58:59]

[21:59:06] Wait nope [21:59:13] [[$reception]] [21:59:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%24reception [21:59:14]

[22:22:19] [1/2] freindly reminder [22:22:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211800438739968010/firefox_2024-02-19_21-14-33.png?ex=65ef841a&is=65dd0f1a&hm=f41ac5a1f2ef20d8e2bf0c507eadc3696a92b79f30ee57a94b9267184857b913& [22:24:57] All hail CheckUser! All hail CheckUser! [22:39:05] [1/2] Every time a new wiki 'crat comes in to the server asking about CSS. [22:39:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211804660931895467/makes-small-change-css-my-website-0.png?ex=65ef8809&is=65dd1309&hm=77cc6c2a426a4bd90da8679df4821af6becea41fe30aba14cfcbd3b887c48ac4& [22:44:20] yes [22:45:19] Aye [22:53:10] [1/2] yes [22:53:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211808204066000946/9057fb0bff6569da.png?ex=65ef8b56&is=65dd1656&hm=a871d39ca8a963950eb433b455ef84f87715f711375b323f1e17ac47e652439c& [22:54:43] What does your wiki look like with the CSS applied [22:55:32] This is CCS for my status monitor, the internal wiki we operate uses Vector 2010 [22:56:11] Status moniter? [22:59:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1211809680096231464/82a62df9b23173d6.png?ex=65ef8cb6&is=65dd17b6&hm=d6cb2b883f20a0855512ce53080af86faa2672e3c961f33c43db6c82bc4f7fbc& [22:59:13] Looks nice [22:59:36] Minimal HTML and a backend re-written a million times in C# [22:59:52] Might re-write in Java just for the sake of it [23:00:26] For my wiki, it is a simple white, very light grey and light grey color theme [23:01:38] I never got around to CSS customizations [23:01:54] I started messing with border images but [23:01:54] eh [23:02:10] I would only use the new vector on mobile. Since the private wiki we use requires authentication to access it anyway, people can go in and set monobook, timeless or Vector 2022 when they feel like it [23:02:34] anyways its fine cause Legroom makes enough css to make up for all of us lol [23:02:48] I use mobile front end + Menevia skin [23:04:59] The advantage of wiki farms: you can outsource all the things you hate doing to other wiki sysops and crats (or the stewards if your social engineering stat is above 70) [23:06:24] I tend to do eveything myself as there is little I hate doing [23:09:08] Once I stayed up all night installing WordPress as I had no idea why it white screened [23:09:43] Wordpress is a gift straight from the 14th depth of hell [23:09:50] Why? [23:10:23] I now prefer the simple "Make a MediaWiki wiki page for it and format with MediaWiki for matting" over using wordpress [23:12:06] Why do you hate WordPress? [23:13:15] I've always had the impression it's a bit of a security nightmare, a chonky load of software that isn't especially charming and just kinda generic [23:13:23] but I'm also a weirdo who sometimes deals in straight html diving [23:13:36] and also vaguely fond of 'indie web' projects [23:14:21] I find it needs a lot of maint, and I find it clunky, and resrictive [23:16:11] Zero consistency and you spend more time securing your site than working on it [23:16:46] I disliked its editor and the fact it needed updates a LOT