[01:23:57] Bro, what happened💀 [01:47:22] lmfao Classic. [02:33:14] [1/2] Moved from #general because it's not really related to the conversation there: A user asked a question about replacing one contributor with another in their page history, and that got me thinking about modifying import XML; it went from modifying an existing XML dump to figuring out how to construct my own, and this is one of the results [02:33:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213313136434872390/image.png?ex=65f504e9&is=65e28fe9&hm=2e7eba0f566220a64531a041b04c53d73823b00525123a4b0de84f95145da51c& [02:33:45] You are clearly having fun XD [02:45:57] [1/2] Nonexistent author: The Description [02:45:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213316335732400208/image.png?ex=65f507e4&is=65e292e4&hm=4824381582e17c2016485aa57936e5b5b7e449a6a23c2005ef87ef2481a99d43& [03:03:10] That's actually really cool lol [03:03:16] But uh [03:03:19] I wonder [03:03:31] Could you make it look like someone left a talk page message they didn't? [03:04:27] Yes; that's why the trick should be used with caution [03:04:44] Wow lol [03:04:49] That's cool [03:18:26] Interesting :ThinkerMH: [03:42:15] I heard they put a hit on Mr fresh [03:42:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213330523796021289/mr-fresh-mr-fresh-multiverse.mp4?ex=65f5151b&is=65e2a01b&hm=7567b23ae11bf005e203a4f08afd3e8473ae6d2f02492f0a720174eea5a1e5fd& [03:42:26] This fella ^ [03:44:08] he has since been adopted :pinecone_thumbsup: [03:44:26] Yippe [04:56:02] [1/2] Just made a tool for constructing arbitrary XML page dumps [04:56:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213349074179461170/image.png?ex=65f52662&is=65e2b162&hm=c6cc859297063f13a9ec38bf90d6ea473480abc077dd418fb16ebc0db7331004& [05:04:29] Really cool [07:40:43] Attributions from imported edits shouldn't be trusted [08:00:07] some outages [08:00:13] happens once in a while [08:50:59] [1/2] learning to get the ProofreadPage to works, at least as a sources for facts and trivias [08:51:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213408108529848340/g.png?ex=65f55d5d&is=65e2e85d&hm=fc6d378ea01f417c1eef0bb2823ce02e2d7363f595394170dc5315a01f9e385f& [09:31:32] this right here is why there have been several thoughts over time to restrict the use of imports to something more global because it is incredibly dangerous with a few tricks and ill intent [13:12:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213474087079518300/apple-bottom.mov?ex=65f59acf&is=65e325cf&hm=822932f3fd420623c9808dbba55e61c6006e5aca67f4f4bb683f67ba2a2b3ca2& [14:11:31] [1/2] @neoqwerty how we feelin about acid (techno)? [14:11:31] [2/2] https://youtube.com/watch?v=YEMS-0NdXuQ [14:22:58] [1/3] Given that Tetrisphere's OST is an entire jam and I've slapped my friends with the entire thing at least twice by now, I think it's safe to say that yes I would like to subscribe to this newsletter. [14:22:59] [2/3] This is amazing to wake up to by the way A++ would like all my mornings to start with this good a track. [14:22:59] [3/3] It's like if Tetrisphere and Ecco the Dolphin Defenders of the Future had a baby 🎶 💕 [18:42:40] [1/2] my wiki over the years... [18:42:40] [2/2] [18:43:55] It just a simple Canva "design" that I put my progress of my wiki over each years of working on that wiki, and it's worth the times ig [18:44:28] [1/2] someone wise once said: [18:44:28] [2/2] > the key is to make sure your fork is superior to the old wiki [18:44:35] so- [18:45:51] Can you believe I still don't know what your wiki is about? [18:46:12] Even though I've come across it a few times by now [18:46:49] Would it be possible to mark all imported revisions? [18:49:38] I can believe it. (cuz i dont speak vietnamese xD) [18:50:17] [1/2] well, it's about an local comic titles about 12 zodiacs in their schools/daily life, yet the rabbit hole is deeper than you think... [18:50:18] [2/2] it was my first ever wiki I made [18:50:46] kind of like a slice-of-life comic? [18:50:54] maybe, yea [18:52:02] it's also the wiki that let me know about my new hobbies about the MediaWiki softwares and the community around it- [18:52:46] so let's say, that wiki was the reason I'm here right now [18:55:40] What was the reason you moved from Fandom to Miraheze? I’m kinda curious [18:58:37] as I explained before, drama and decline of quality, plus that I actually purchased the domain for it [19:00:12] It’s a shame I don’t speak Vietnamese. The character designs are so cute. [19:12:57] thanks for the kind words. heading to sleep as of rn [19:13:23] Hmm ys [19:13:52] Well I finally got closure from being thrown away like trash. [19:15:07] But I will likely never be able to forgive them... [19:15:27] Oh well, they don't deserve the little bit of kindness I have anymore. [19:15:43] Hatred is such a powerful emotion. [19:18:49] Guess one day I will get consumed by it, because I am not capable of anything else anyway. [19:19:52] Meanwhile, I hope I go to a concert one day. [22:01:42] [1/2] I have finally did this thing I've wanted to do for months. :') MediaWiki widget for multi category searching, including recursion and excluded categories. (if anyone wants a copy btw I'm happy to supply). [22:01:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213607189264994364/image.png?ex=65f616c5&is=65e3a1c5&hm=63781642a3cf805d43ae1767f908bfa69530ab5821fbf9924db250d6bb12d73a& [22:02:21] What would be a good rules for fanfic of my wiki's setting? I was thinking "You can make fanfic and fanon of Taerel, as long as you do not make money from it and do not use any of the "All rights reserved" copyrighted content (writing, CSS, JS) from the Taerel wiki itself" [22:02:55] woah [22:03:05] How did you make it [22:03:40] MediaWiki API and Javascript :) [22:04:17] my first test would be to search a category that's in a category loop ie, cat1 is in cat2 which is in cat3 which is in cat1... [22:04:27] recursively that is [22:05:38] Seems reasonable [22:06:30] It is inpressive [22:06:44] Still works :) As in, it doesn't duplicate results like one would expect hah. [22:07:04] How would you word it? [22:08:46] "Fan fiction, fan art, and fanon creations centered around Taerel are warmly welcomed, provided they are not used for commercial purposes, and refrain from incorporating any copyrighted materials including text, CSS, JS, and wikicode, that are all designated as "All rights reserved" on the Taerel wiki." [22:09:12] That works, ty [22:09:27] "You are permitted to create derivative works based on the Taerel IP, as long as 1) no monetary gain occurs from your use of the IP and 2) the work does not copy any portion of any Taerel content that is protected by copyright law." [22:09:45] Hm, that is a good working as well [22:10:33] everything is protected by copyright law automatically though [22:10:40] wouldn't work as intended [22:11:05] Not everything but most things yeah. ^^ [22:11:27] if you want to prevent your content to be used by others for monetary gains, just use the CC-BY-SA-ND license [22:11:55] ummm, wrong license oops [22:12:04] Would love to see this added to dev wiki for public consumption [22:12:12] The wiki itself is "all rights reserved" [22:12:19] CC BY-NC-SA that's the one [22:13:16] but yet you want to allow non-commercial use? [22:13:25] Not of the content itself [22:14:09] More like "You write a fanon tribe/kin'toni clan/fanon rewrite of the setting, I do not mind, as long as you do not make money from it" [22:14:29] that's really the big one so if it can do that I reckon it'll do just fine ^^ [22:14:30] 😓 oof [22:14:48] only a lawyer will know how to put that in legal language [22:14:52] good luck [22:14:52] [1/2] Ah, that sounds fun! :) I haven't really touched the dev wiki but I'll have a look! Does it have the Widget extension installed tho? That is pretty much the only requirement, otherwise the javascript won't run ofc. [22:14:52] [2/2] Thank you too!! [22:15:08] informal language is probably fine until a lawyer or better legalese can be made [22:15:20] Could put in it on there with a note of what is needed to run it [22:15:47] dev wiki is an excellent candidate and I would think it has gadget support, should be enabled immediately if it does not [22:15:55] widget etc [22:16:07] Yee, I have that in the widget docco. :) I think, I'll go check lol Ty XD You're making me doubt. [22:16:13] Devwiki is kind of our catch-all place to put handy templates, js, etc for any wiki to pull from for their projects [22:16:19] does that wigets add on still have the sec hole? [22:16:36] Much like Fandom's equivalent, but in need of a makeover [22:16:55] Make over or improvement? [22:17:03] reminds me, anyone know where the miraheze main page text is on the github so I can properly present the main page rework that actually gets new eyes onto dev wiki [22:17:05] Yes [22:17:23] it's on CreateWiki [22:17:25] Yes [22:17:30] Put it on [[dev:]] [22:17:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev: [22:17:30] What are your ideas for the main page rework [22:17:31]

[22:17:35] Good answer [22:17:38] it is an i18n message there [22:17:52] I thought it was there maybe but i18n is the bit I'm missing [22:17:53] ty [22:18:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Main_Page_revision [22:18:18] Also yes, I'm mobile but can grab this for you when I'm going [22:18:31] it needs one more edit at least as there was a good suggestion to mention citations [22:18:37] if it's just in that folder I'll probably dig it up [22:18:53] then I'll need to figure out what I did with github accounts [22:19:01] likely just make one from scratch tbh [22:19:09] Probably twenty out, so just let me know if you find it in the meantime [22:19:48] Also @ultracane1997 I once had "sudo apt install" show a ton of depances, but a bunch was not even in the repos anyu more [22:19:55] CC-BY-NC is attribution (crediting you) and Non Commercial use) [22:20:20] yikes [22:20:23] Thinking about it, I may make an "open" setting one day, using content I wrote under that [22:20:28] @raidarr here's the exact line https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/blob/master/i18n/en.json#L12 [22:20:32] Yeah, I self-host my own site too...it's rough. [22:20:38] at times anyway [22:20:49] yep, literally just spotted it [22:20:58] Wait omg [22:20:58] its [22:20:59] rebar [22:21:03] yee [22:21:05] Let's say Ubuntu 22.04 (I think so) has a odd amount of non repo depenacies [22:21:06] lol [22:21:12] ouch [22:21:20] Do you use LInux? [22:21:20] cc @notaracham, got it [22:21:27] here's the summary at CC's website btw: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/deed.en [22:21:27] I do actually! [22:21:37] I use Ubuntu 20.04 if my memory is not failing me. [22:21:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Drafts/License_templates [22:21:49] I upgrade once a new verson comes out [22:21:49] I use Alpine Linux btw [22:21:58] Ah okay [22:22:06] Which is the newest one right now? [22:22:09] LTS wise? [22:22:18] I haven't kept up with it unfortunately. [22:22:21] I think 22.04 [22:22:23] ah [22:22:29] ^ also pretty sure ye [22:22:33] [1/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Drafts/License_templates [22:22:33] [2/2] That's what cc is for [22:22:44] I think a 24 lts is coming soonish [22:22:49] indeed [22:22:55] ...I am so glad I never wanted to become a lawyer lowkey [22:23:01] This wiki is more "no use of the content itself is allowefd, but you can make your own using the Taerel IP, but do not make moeny from it" [22:23:15] It sounds like an extremely difficuly profession... [22:23:19] I don't mean to be snide but that is use innit [22:23:42] My wiki is cc-by-nc-4.0, unless otherwise indicated [22:23:52] I assume the intentions are a) don't make money on it and b) don't claim it as your own [22:23:53] One of my friends in another community is going to go to law school... [22:23:59] both of which are quite covered in cc [22:24:03] ugh, I couldn't imagine [22:24:46] [1/2] Law isn't so complicated, as soon as you see the logic in it. [22:24:46] [2/2] Except, Law isn't logic, as there are always loopholes [22:24:50] After all, this little college dropout would never last in anything like Law School. [22:24:58] oh okay [22:25:09] I've thought about doing a trip back to academia for law at some point [22:25:11] The wiki itself is not CC and will not ever be. Like if you made a fan fic for Harry Potter, Mass Effect or Scrubs, taerel is the same [22:25:15] law is reading and arguing [22:25:25] |Do lawyers get paid well? [22:25:28] Just gotta finish my other pile of too many projects [22:25:34] Reading...I can handle reading just not [22:25:37] A TON of it [22:25:38] it's only among the top paying profession [22:25:46] oh if you can't handle a ton of it then law ain't your deal [22:25:48] Gotta love being better at math and science than...english [22:25:48] I don't see lawyers starving on the streets, so I think they are [22:25:54] Trust me [22:25:56] I already know [22:25:57] lol [22:26:03] miles of books [22:26:06] ew [22:26:21] 2.3 million words of law texts? [22:26:23] or ChatGPT: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/nyregion/lawyer-chatgpt-sanctions.html [22:26:27] then sort of gluing things together and trying to make up logic a judge will buy and hoping the other lawyer doesn't out loophole you [22:26:36] Okay look, I barely passed my English final before graduation with like a C- [22:26:39] iirc [22:26:44] so fun [22:26:45] ai is the perfect death trap [22:26:50] Okay, if I ever make a deal with the Devil, I will have to hire a lawer first to check it all over [22:27:10] you'll want more than just any lawyer for that one tbh [22:27:10] interesting [22:27:24] I love the new series I watched though. [22:27:36] My profile picture should explain it [22:27:40] that's the other thing, lawyers are far, far from equal in what parts of law they are competent at handling [22:28:00]