[00:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to raidarr> Do you remember what the specific reason Widgets was removed?
[01:00:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to .labster> It had XSS security issues
[01:00:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> we love xsss
[01:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Xsses
[01:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Xross Site Scripting
[01:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Xoxo gossip girl
[01:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We shpuld just call it CSS
[01:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Raidxrr
[01:01:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> both are similarly evil
[01:01:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Raidxss
[01:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Was it a core architecture XSS, or one of the widgets?
[01:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/4] I'm off to bed people.
[01:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/4] Have a nice evening, morning, or whatever.
[01:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/4] 💤 
[01:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [4/4] 🛌
[01:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Its a yaron extension so i would assume its entire premise is a security flaw
[01:04:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to .labster> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/2020-12-23_Security_Disclosure for reference
[01:05:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to originalauthority> Unfortunately that page is zero context for me
[01:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 🤷🏼‍♂️ the actual issue was never disclosed from mirahezes side i dont think
[01:07:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The ticket on Phab is private
[01:07:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Now you’re just making me angry
[01:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T270286
[01:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> 900 day responsible disclosure
[01:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [1/3] > I'd suggest this bug be closed as DECLINED.
[01:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [2/3] > The entire point of the widget extension is to allow arbitrary html.
[01:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [3/3] Bawolff is right
[01:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> On the other hand I’m not sure it belongs in our security model.
[01:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to .labster> Well before my time
[01:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to originalauthority> Does it have XSS by its own existence, or only if the widget itself isn't secure? Cause if it's any consolation, my widget specifically uses dropdowns so folks can't input shit that shouldn't be input.  Lol
[01:27:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> It sounds like it’s easy to use incorrectly, which I guess could be an argument for case-by-case approval
[01:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Yeah that's how it appeared on the extension description page.
[01:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Could your code be reimplemented as a Gadget instead?
[01:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [1/3] I've been looking into how I might do that.. the widget is nice cause all it is is the widget file itself which is html and <script>, and the widget gets called on a wiki page like a template would. 
[01:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [2/3] But gadget requires its own JS file and all the example gadgets I've seen appear as like.. wiki overlays, rather than an entire wiki page itself. If someone knows of a gadget that functions as its own page though I can maybe compare it and figure it out that way
[01:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [3/3]  Would still need to upload a JS though.
[01:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Make a div and just replace innerHTML?
[01:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Sorry, I just turned into a dumbass. Can you please elaborate? I thought that wouldn't work because <script> doesn't work by default on a MediaWiki page? Unless I'm misunderstanding.
[01:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Oh wait no I'm thinking of something else I think
[01:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Gadgets have their own JS pages
[01:44:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Lol I can't grocery-shop and think of code at the same time. I need to add a copyright thing to my code later and then I'll be able to actually show how it functions.
[01:45:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I'm typing and walking my dog lol
[01:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> XD That is very impressive
[02:36:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997, replying to .labster> Sounds wonderful
[02:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Meanwhile, I'm watching these kinds of shows...
[02:37:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432695778222538762/1213662059615494144/Alastor_being_the_best_character_in_Hazbin_Hotel_episodes_1_.gif?ex=65f649df&is=65e3d4df&hm=adaa96ca1d4e1f73a40183e661905662bb0780df7fa8d94351458930d91205ec&
[02:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Maybe it would help your mood if you didn't watch shows set in hell?
[02:44:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Perhaps, but that wouldn't be nearly as fun.
[02:50:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dvdexe> im sure theres more fun shows out there though
[02:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Hmm okay, what about Code Lyoko...though I have watched that a lot of times over.
[02:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Such a wonderful childhood show...
[02:51:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399018803066830898/1203198939269042266/Akiza_vs_Yusei_Round_2_AMV.gif
[02:51:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Or what about yugioh...
[02:52:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205333460084985907/1207387520262733874/Primal_Groudon_vs_Primal_Kyogre_vs_Mega_Rayquaza_vs_Deoxys__3.gif
[02:52:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> lol
[02:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dvdexe> recommend dungeon meshi/delicious in dungeon on netflix :pinecone_thumbsup:
[02:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> hmm okay
[02:53:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I'll look that up later
[02:54:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/263065622466789376/1203151033187176458/CODE_LYOKO_ENGLISHEP70Skidblanir.gif
[02:54:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dvdexe> just started a few weeks back but the manga is finished if youre impatient
[02:54:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> lol could not imagine losing by your own weapon
[02:54:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> pathetic
[03:11:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I'm always like 10 years behind on anime.  I just started watching Hidamari Sketch, it seems pretty fun.
[03:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <florida_hater> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213685989667508274/apple-bottom.mov?ex=65f66029&is=65e3eb29&hm=1add24991368624cd0c2b7117af7bba6cc595ed9239c8802fddde0c31be89d50&
[03:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> lol
[04:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> [1/2] Look guys, I found the first real Wikipedia edit
[04:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213705824837304320/the_first_true_wikipedia_edit.png?ex=65f672a2&is=65e3fda2&hm=0112c351f412a0cf97de4df1ad05dca7826557b454286993fa7d735ce135d114&
[04:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to jeb_cc> [1/4] Aight, finished this up: <https://new.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Widget:MultipleCategSearch>
[04:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to jeb_cc> [2/4] Folks are free to re-use. But if anyone has set up Gadgets before, can you maybe give the source code a quick squizz to see if it's possible to convert to a Gadget (or alternatively do you know of a gadget that has a similar prospect of using a wiki page for its usage)? I haven't used different files for CSS and JS in so long, I create so many small projects I'm so
[04:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to jeb_cc> [3/4]  used to just using "style" and "script" in HTML hah. I'm not a professional by any means at all.
[04:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to jeb_cc> [4/4] Also if anyone has any feedback for the code itself, I'm open to such but like, plz don't destroy me. XD
[04:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [1/2] Also applicable meme
[04:38:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213706965713289266/commenting-my-code-like-v.png?ex=65f673b2&is=65e3feb2&hm=cebbaf3c0b5654a1176f0589a0cdc0fb5fa699a12723a123e0ef7888ec33cd11&
[05:09:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to jeb_cc> Based on the purpose of the thing I can tell you it would be better as a full-fledged extension... but still may work as a Gadget.
[05:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to .labster> That would be pretty cool if it was an extension. I hadn't actually thought of that, I just presumed all extensions were php or something like that
[05:13:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> They are mostly PHP, but of course they have JS on the frontend.
[05:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Ooh, okay, yeah, imagine that.. Special:MultiCategSearch :o
[05:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> I was also going to put the tool on my personal website. Since it only requires an API, it just needs a website input and it'll work for any MediaWiki site without them needing to setup anything.
[05:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I mean, like, 95 API hits for a single button is probably non-optimal
[05:19:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> lmao Well, depends on the wiki size. But that is pretty much how it functions if recursion is enabled. The API is very quick at least.
[05:21:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Could probably limit the APIs by just.. importing categ info for every single page and then doing the math but then that's straining the client side.
[05:31:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Okay the thing I understand the least about this page is why every line is indented with 16+ spaces
[05:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [1/2] lmao Organisation. I use an actual code editor and indent per function/loop/if/div/etc block.
[05:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213720798376890438/image.png?ex=65f68094&is=65e40b94&hm=a5dfd901225b378f366ef31d234e8cb0d80ea8a7e4bb53d4f97295c875c7bf0c&
[05:34:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> (Although I'm using a different tab indent setting on this version so it looks extra spacey but you get the idea lol)
[05:36:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Yeah, this could definitely be rewritten as a Gadget
[05:37:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Awesome, thanks. ^^
[05:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I don't think MW supports some of these attributes directly, like `<select>`
[05:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [1/2] But what you can do is basically put a shell page with contents like `<div id="gadget-multicateg-search-base">` and then in the gadget's JS file, you can do
[05:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [2/2] ```$('#gadget-multicateg-search-base').html( all the html you need )```
[05:44:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Lovely late night hours.
[05:44:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Sleep is for the weak anyway.
[05:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to .labster> Awesome, cheers. :) What's the best way to get a JS uploaded?
[05:46:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> "Look, I'm sorry, Fizz... I am so sorry you got so hurt... I'm sorry for what you lost, and I... I KNOW I can never make that right. But, you have no idea what I lost in that fire... I mean it's... it's all my fault. I'd hate me, too." Quite a relatable quote to me...I may never have been in a fire, but it pretty much feels that way mentally.
[05:46:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> For me
[05:47:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Like raging fires with sheer intensity filled with unnatural amounts of anger and hatred for things...
[05:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to jeb_cc> Generally they get put in the Mediawiki: namespace, which means you need editinterface on the wiki you install to.
[05:48:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Just like when I snapped on a lady who told me to quit my job...
[05:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I instantly lost it on her.
[05:48:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I think it's `Mediawiki:Gadget-$foo.js`
[05:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> It sounds like things are getting stormy, @ultracane1997
[05:49:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I really don't care either way, I'll do whatever it takes to run away from the people trying to ruin me...
[05:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Or stand up for myself.
[05:50:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/263065622466789376/1202077675418824724/STAR_WARS_The_Old_Republic4K_ULTRA_HDHope_Cinematic.gif
[05:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997, replying to .labster> Indeed so
[05:51:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Even if it means I have to make people cower in fear of me, I will stand up for myself.
[05:51:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to .labster> Gotcha 👍
[05:52:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Not like I have much left of importance left to lose anyway.
[05:53:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> @jeb_cc Just read up https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets and some of the examples https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gadgets  It's pretty simple, I've written some I think.
[05:53:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeb_cc, replying to .labster> Aweome, thanks so much! :D
[05:53:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Yay gadgets
[05:56:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Right, we have a very few simple cases on https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets and they're all installed on the local [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]]
[05:56:06] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition
[05:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition>
[05:56:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-arc-v-yuya-gif-21589439
[05:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997, replying to .labster> interesting
[05:57:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Must be nice to blast people through a wall like that though.
[05:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to ultracane1997> Honestly I'm reminded of the time Hellmaster Phibrizzo tried to escape through the wall incorporeally, and the Lord of Nightmares dragged him back through the wall.  Slayers anime.
[05:59:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Interesting
[06:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432695778222538762/1199487739612106832/main-qimg-364dbe5f70988dec4f416ca9a3bc842e.gif
[06:00:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> lmao
[06:00:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> ...well at least Jaden super-fused his soul with Yubel. Countering a bs move with another one.
[06:01:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to ultracane1997> Okay, enough GIFs for now, buddy.
[06:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> fine
[06:01:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I'll leave for a while then.
[06:01:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Since I'm incapable of socializing here anyway.
[06:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> You're socializing fine, you just done need lots of pictures to do so.
[06:02:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Because apparently I am very socially awkward...
[06:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I hate having Autism, it is the most horrible thing to have ever happened to me.
[06:02:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Yes, it's a wiki farm, we're all on the spectrum here.
[06:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Anyways cya
[06:02:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> I'll be useless somewhere else
[06:03:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Okey-doke, bye then
[06:03:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> ...and I'm reminded of the fact that I have no real friends. This is why I hate everything anyway.
[06:20:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dvdexe> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213732608547098624/ABQ4V5BB27r1csiv.mov?ex=65f68b93&is=65e41693&hm=ecc41ff569d481609206eba8daaa754cc35a31f0c6bc001a3fe0fed6dcf32c82&
[06:29:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to ultracane1997> Is that Hazbin Hotel?
[06:36:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to luna.nightfern> maybe-
[06:45:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997, replying to luna.nightfern> Yes it is
[08:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> has anyone tried to scrap archived gamepedia wiki?
[08:55:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> scrape?
[08:58:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> get xml and file dump
[08:59:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> none of scrapper scripts work me, the node.js one worked about a year ago, but not it doesn't
[08:59:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> wait, does it include the mediawiki-client one?
[09:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I couldn't scrap files of a fandom wiki I'm currently migrating, now there's a need to scrap locked gamepedia wiki, just in case cus it was official thing back in the days
[09:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> You tried asking the FANDOM support?
[09:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to .labster> Bro is a savage
[09:08:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I prefer “based”, but I’ll take it
[11:56:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> @songngu.xyz I have some bad news for you -> Global Interwiki Admin is on it's way out: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Omnibus_rights_RfC#Proposal_1.1:_Elimination_of_Interwiki_Administrators
[11:57:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> ah, right.
[11:57:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> At least that would make our life easier
[11:58:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> I think the RfC will be closed before your request for GIA too, so I don't think the requests stands a chance
[11:58:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> yea... I can close this now I guess
[11:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Pisces should get some kind of barnstar for this
[12:00:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @redmin0 's oppose on that RfC under 4 is intresting
[12:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Because in the example given, that's unquestionably under a cloud
[12:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Like practically the definition of under a cloud
[12:01:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> As a meteorologist with a degree in atmospheric science, I'd be happy to tell when people are under clouds.
[12:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I am definitely not under a cloud in that sense today
[12:02:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Why is it so sunny in March @.labster
[12:02:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Heh it's raining here right now
[12:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's bright sunshine here
[12:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @.labster but in all semi seriousness, if you resign and close your own revocation request, that's under a cloud right.
[12:05:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Yeah it's really obvious
[12:05:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @.labster also how did I not know you had a degree in atmospheric science
[12:05:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I could have used you when we had like 5 named storms in a month
[12:07:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I doubt I could have redirected the storms elsewhere, I don't have that much sway with the weather bureau
[12:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @.labster you could have told me whether I needed to listen to the met office
[12:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> No idea how they missed this week
[12:08:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It was Friday when we had like worse than some of the named storms in wind & rain
[12:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> now have to resolving edit conflict-
[12:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> the canned responses don't look like something I would write 😂
[13:06:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> Just use your chair weather wizard power
[13:07:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> Incredibly based
[13:17:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to .labster> We should introduce some sort of Barnstars
[13:18:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah
[13:18:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But make ‘‘em hexes instead
[13:18:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> ??
[13:19:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> oh
[13:19:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> now I get it 😄
[13:19:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Who is our Inhouse Graphic designer?
[13:21:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I gave Raidarr a few questions to ponder about 😆 
[13:21:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] [[meta:Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Raidarr_(wiki_creator)]]
[13:21:26] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Raidarr_(wiki_creator)
[13:21:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Meta:Requests_for_permissions?action=edit&redlink=1>
[13:22:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> 🗑️
[13:22:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I gave Raidarr a few questions to ponder about 😆 
[13:22:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] [[Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Raidarr_(wiki_creator)]]
[13:22:34] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Raidarr_(wiki_creator)
[13:22:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions#Raidarr_(wiki_creator)>
[13:22:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> I thought it’s a reaction not reply?
[13:23:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Depends
[13:23:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> ??
[13:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’ve made a lot of hex art
[13:23:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Legroom made the mascot
[13:24:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> Go on then. Another project to jump into
[13:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Need ideas
[13:25:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> At least one has to to be wizard themed
[13:26:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Cleaner, zealous, flowers, just take the ideas from Wikipedia, but make them in our own theme
[13:27:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Considering how much you do in regards to actually caring about licenses I might make something related to that cause uh I could never :nervous_sweat:
[13:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I've been quite active on a wiki (wikisage) which had no real license templates. So I started copying those from commons, and many aren't translated into Dutch, So I learned quite a lot by translating them.
[13:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] And I made a few mistakes in the start when uploading to commons, so they got rejected. So I learned from that as well.
[13:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I have a good grasp on it now.
[13:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Not an expert level though
[13:32:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Fair
[13:32:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Well lmk if you have a funny pun name for a licensing barn star
[13:42:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Licenced to Licence?
[13:43:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Licence to Review Licenses?
[13:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hm
[13:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Licensed Mirahezian?
[13:45:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The inception of Licensed to License may be funny
[13:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I am bad at puns really
[13:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Devoted follower of copyright?
[15:09:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to dvdexe> https://tenor.com/view/love-fail-dab-fly-kiss-gif-7683438
[15:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> reminds me of this
[15:24:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prof.ryanmaibam> can someone help me? I want to revive my wiki but i don't remember anything
[15:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> what exactly don't you remember?
[15:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> Do you know in which URL your wiki is?
[15:36:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prof.ryanmaibam, replying to bluemoon0332> Nope but can give you the name
[15:54:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] Lies
[15:54:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1213877113321422908/image0.jpg?ex=65f71228&is=65e49d28&hm=2fe2f4824388f340eab1b43f97e1785e451c4674a3d1189e9b9a680468a468e9&
[15:59:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> Zuckerbyrg
[15:59:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Bro
[16:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m africkingmerican soelling iz domb
[16:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> 😄
[16:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I have absolutely nothing with that sort of messages.
[16:56:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @raidarr you throwing into the ring as well?
[17:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> why not I reckon
[17:02:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> around rather often anyway
[17:11:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> :aquaSalute:
[17:12:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Anyways I finally have a cool updated sign now
[17:13:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[User:PixDeVl/Sig]]
[17:13:05] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/Sig
[17:13:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/Sig>
[17:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Now I need to update my user page cause seeing what others have made uh I feel lacking lmao
[17:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Okay what is this bs
[17:16:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Why do you look different when I substitute
[17:17:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Welp let’s file that in the cabinet labeled fuck it
[17:41:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to prof.ryanmaibam> Hm, that wouldn't be too helpful unfortunately, can you tell me what your username is on Miraheze rather?
[18:23:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> is Stackoverflow community toxic?
[18:27:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to emicraftnoob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDAmvUwo5c
[18:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ultracane1997> Yep, must be
[18:51:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prof.ryanmaibam, replying to bluemoon0332> I can't remember but thr email was either maibamryan1@gmail.com or ryanmaibamkoferelend@gmail.com
[18:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prof.ryanmaibam> It was Encyclopaedia Ferelend
[19:28:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> hmmm, I can't find accounts by email but maybe an SRE can
[19:28:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> @Site Reliability Engineers ^
[19:30:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @prof.ryanmaibam can you send an email to sre@ from them email addresses stating that question
[19:30:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Just so SRE don't have to work out if you really are the owner of them emails
[19:30:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Yeah, please, since we can't reveal a username that is associated with an email unless we can confirm that the person is actually the email owner
[19:31:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You can give your discord username in the email and permission to chat in DM if you wish
[19:33:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> also by sre@ they mean sre@miraheze.org
[19:38:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] kremlin shills found new silly reason to block Wikipedia (still not blocked) - article about VPNs lol
[19:38:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] because the freshest law prohibits/blocks info of tools and services to circumvent censorship
[19:42:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name, replying to emicraftnoob> Honestly yes
[19:42:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> A lot of online communities have the problems that SO has
[19:48:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> can't people in Russia still google "VPN"?
[19:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> and are they actually illegal to use?
[19:49:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I'm guessing loads of people do actually use them...
[19:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ofc we use them
[19:50:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hell, gov still posts on places blocked in russia like twitter lol
[19:50:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> Russia is also the single biggest user of Tor bridges by quite a margin: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-table.html
[19:50:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> using vpn isn't illegal, but recommending is kinda js now
[19:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> that sounds quite silly, so you can use it but you can't tell your friends about it?
[19:51:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if some blog talks about vpn they will try to block that blog, make it non accessible or whatever
[19:51:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] kinda lol
[19:51:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] it is very silly
[19:52:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> well I guess it kind of makes sense that they're trying to do that or else their censorship is useless
[19:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> but I think people who want a VPN will use it anyway if they're determined
[19:52:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yup
[19:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> what if I have to use a VPN because my company mandates a VPN for remote working?
[19:52:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> or they can just use Tor as OS said
[19:52:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but they try to damage VPNs too
[19:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> protocols, IPs
[19:52:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I'm surprised they aren't fully banned
[19:52:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> just like China
[19:52:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but people in China still get through
[19:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bluemoon0332> they actually made a white list for organisations, like banks
[19:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also remote working got kinda nerfed too
[19:54:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> since a lot of people moved out, and they decided to make life for them harder
[19:54:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> well if I lived there I definitely wouldn't want to do anything online _without_ a VPN
[19:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> man, in 2012 I started using VPN just to access torrent trackers, now I'm 90% on VPN
[19:56:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> so what is the deal with Wikipedia then in Russia? Are just some pages blacklisted?
[19:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> oh this story started in 2012
[19:56:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they tried to block single pages
[19:56:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Wikipedia ofc refused to change or take down what kremlin doesn't like
[19:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I imagine that would be a very long list especially these days
[19:57:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> Blacklisting pages one by one is not viable nowadays because of HTTPS
[19:57:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> now they talk about blocking the entire thing more and more often, and simultaneously tease their "correct" fork
[19:57:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> but do they only take action re Russian Wikipedia or all languages?
[19:57:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bluemoon0332> exactly
[19:57:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> Their choice is either block the entire domain or nothing
[19:58:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to reception123> only Russian
[19:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> oh heh, there's a regime supported Russian fork?
[19:58:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they've been talking about 2 years now and it's still not opened lol
[19:58:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> when it comes out, it'll be fun to read some pages and use a machine translator 😄
[19:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> If they do open it it'd be very funny to copy articles from the normal Wikipedia
[19:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name, replying to reception123> Lmao yeah
[19:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name, replying to collei_no_last_name> Especially on things the Kremlin doesn't like
[19:59:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> or yeah, I'm sure some people will troll it and copy the actual facts from the real version
[19:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> Like Tor, VPNs, Ukraine, etc.
[19:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name, replying to reception123> Yeah
[19:59:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> though I hope they use a VPN or else a jail cell might await them!
[19:59:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I actually feel like they gonna review editors
[20:00:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> like actual IDs?
[20:00:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> as otherwise it would probably be easy to lie at first to get in
[20:00:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> who knows
[20:01:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> but anyway it does seem like quite a half measure if enwiki isn't restricted, since even if people don't speak English they can easily use Google translate or something
[20:01:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> Yeah
[20:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> but actually, is Google censored there? like if you search for stuff that the regime doesn't like, would that not appear?
[20:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they could go super mad mode and block all Wikipedia versions, but eh - vpn
[20:02:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to reception123> google isn't, but yandex is under their full control
[20:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> In that case I feel like their attempts at censorship are really a patchwork that barely works
[20:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> though heh, that's not a bad thing!
[20:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> we don't complain lol
[20:03:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> they didn't learn enough lessons frm China
[20:03:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> don't jinx it
[20:03:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> lol yea
[20:03:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> heh yeah, hope no regime-affiliated people are lurking in this chat and getting ideas
[20:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to reception123> Russia's networks are fairly decentralized iirc
[20:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> they're having problems uniformly applying their blocks
[20:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> at least when I read about it back when the Ukraine invasion started
[20:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they force all ISP to use special software
[20:05:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> might have changed since then
[20:05:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <collei_no_last_name> This discussion reminds me of when people started editing the Google Maps pages for the Russian embassy in various countries to change it to say it's a public restroom and you should pee at the entrance and added anti Russia messages in the reviews and description
[20:06:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I wonder what the situation with ISPs and mobile networks is like in the occupied territories
[20:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> you don't have to wonder
[20:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> Open Observatory of Network Interference has all the Internet censorship data you need
[20:07:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to reception123> very bad
[20:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123, replying to bluemoon0332> oh cool
[20:09:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> data on Ukraine @ https://explorer.ooni.org/country/UA?since=2024-02-04&until=2024-03-04
[20:11:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> huh, how curious, Snowflake is having problems there but direct connections to the Tor relays are succeeding?
[20:48:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pier1337> Do you have some resources or links where I could learn more about cookie logins in the context of API access to an ethernet file-sharing web app?
[20:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pier1337> search Google? or use Wikibooks
[21:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Fun fact, people call that “scaling the wall” (翻墙) in China.
[21:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> What was the word for Arc again in chinese?
[21:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to collei_no_last_name> [1/3] > The Ukraine is a region of the Russian Federation, currently controlled by Ukrainian rebels[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12].
[21:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to collei_no_last_name> [2/3] or smth idk
[21:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to collei_no_last_name> [3/3] (the billion citations are inspired by me occasionally seeing a billion citations for smth conspiracy theorists might take issue with)
[21:49:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to rodejong> arc?
[21:49:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> yeah.
[21:49:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern> like a curve?
[21:49:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern> idk the word for that
[21:50:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern> im just a heritage speaker
[21:50:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern> why do you ask?
[21:52:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> ah no. Ark! 😄
[21:52:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> sorry
[21:54:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I once read about the bible story of Noah and his family in the ark when God flooded the earth.
[21:54:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] I think the word in Chinese depicts that?
[22:03:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stormofarrows> fāngzhōu (方舟)
[22:03:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stormofarrows> or at least that's one way of saying it I think
[22:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Doesn't it mean something like 8 people?
[22:16:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Wish I could find it again
[22:16:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It's something that stuck in the back of my head