[01:29:10] [1/4] Does anyone have advice for exporting data from a Fandom wiki where there are no active admins? The wiki I want to move has about 700 pages and a lot of images, so porting them individually is not ideal. The only admin of that wiki has been inactive for a year, so I can't use Fandom's built-in data dump tool (which doesn't export images anyways). [01:29:10] [2/4] I tried reading [01:29:11] [3/4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Grabbers [01:29:11] [4/4] And I don't think I understand it at all. Is there a gentler introduction? Alternatively, is there a more beginner-friendly way to export a database from Fandom without having an admin? [01:29:53] For pages? [01:29:59] you should be able to ask Fandom staff to create a dump [01:30:18] There’s also one on special statistics [01:30:39] wikiteam tends to be forthcoming with those on direct request from what I've heard [01:30:46] dammit, fandom is* [01:30:47] If that’s outdated ask staff or use smt like https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam [01:30:58] wikiteam is a fallback to look up if fandom does not say yes but that is not supported by fandom tos [01:33:12] [1/3] There isn't: the dump on special:statistics only gets created when a local wiki admin creates it. [01:33:13] [2/3] https://rain-web-comic.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Statistics [01:33:13] [3/3] I can't create or download a dump unless someone with admin privileges on that wiki creates one. [01:33:26] Thanks, maybe that will work. [01:45:59] that video is entertaining, go watch it [01:46:25] I watched it when it was only a few days old [01:48:41] yes, but it can get you to the limit of the subdomains because it doesn't have the option to add individual NS records (like ns1.vphs.top and ns2.vphs.top) [01:50:44] [1/2] I already use 3 of 5 just for that annoying thing [01:50:44] [2/2] and you need to contact Josh (the webmaster) to get your account the option to use NS and CNAME records [01:51:15] idk why is locked that if NS is the most used thing for pointing to hosting [02:26:52] This page is an absolute work of art I found while spam hunting: https://opensourcebridge.science/wiki/P1; it barely makes any sense when translated to English, and it contains a whopping 7 links to other spam wikis [03:31:11] I really wish there was easier way to use grabbers 🥲 [03:31:33] also did y'all forgot about file dumps [04:20:53] you can use wip.la but the service doesn't work now [04:21:39] [1/2] https://mashi.wip.la/ [04:21:39] [2/2] never mind [10:36:32] What IS wip? [11:58:13] https://twitter.com/max20091dev/status/1764982742302007521 [12:04:58] CCBYSA? [12:04:58] [1/2] It doesn't work like that. [12:04:59] [2/2] The text you put on the wiki, becomes licenced under CC BY-SA. [12:05:24] Nope, by CC-BY-SA, I can still delete the contents myself [12:05:41] Fandom is just the hosting site, they have 0 permission from me [12:05:46] :ThinkingHardMH: [12:05:51] You can delete it, but the history is kept on their servers. [12:06:06] You released that content under that license [12:06:19] They are also obligated to delete them if I request DMCA [12:06:35] well DMCA is obvious [12:06:37] And yet they aren't [12:06:38] not with this license [12:06:45] They do [12:07:08] game publisher DMCA'd Fandom after fan wiki migration [12:07:15] ^ [12:07:42] if they guy has some solid copyright on his stuff he can too? [12:07:48] https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/cclicenses/ [12:07:55] but what actual communities have to do? [12:08:33] ^Yea, that's totally bs, they claim my written contents are now owned by "community" but it's not [12:08:52] You still the owner of the contents [12:09:00] The only way you keep full controle on your text, is a (c) [12:09:25] No need, at the time I move out of Fandom, the CC-BY-SA license instantly broke on Fandom [12:09:36] They need to re-license [12:09:41] that's actually funny, Fandom usually doesn't oppose to deletion of wikis w/ 1-2 editors [12:09:50] No. CC-BY-SA means that your give permission for everyone to use it, under Attribution and Sharing under that same license [12:10:16] Nope, the whole creator is only me and Fandom is just a hosting site, they have 0 control over contents [12:10:33] Besides delete contents due to DMCA [12:10:33] yeah, they don't contribute [12:10:45] You really need to read up on the legal parts of the licenses [12:10:55] I do read a lot [12:11:30] I thought if you CC-BY-SA a wiki, FANDOM could keep a copy [12:11:33] CC are rather weak licenses, if you think about it [12:11:41] ^ [12:12:06] They could keep a copy but if they want to publish, they have to credit me properly [12:12:18] [1/3] It's the same on commons.wikimedia. [12:12:18] [2/3] As soon as you upload an image to their repository, you can't remove it anymore. You have licenced the file under cc-by-sa. [12:12:18] [3/3] You have released it to the community [12:12:25] But again, since they already broke the license, I have full permission now [12:12:47] I am kinda glad my self hosted wiki is "All rights reserved", I just conviced the FANDOM rep to delete thye old wiki [12:12:48] Yes, they'd have to credit you, but you can not prevent to put it up there again. [12:13:10] I don't need to prevent them from put it up again [12:13:26] But I want my contents properly credited if they ever did [12:13:43] (they don't) [12:14:27] You can only start worrying about that, when they actually upload your text again, without credits [12:14:34] What you can do though... [12:14:47] small claim court if they dare [12:15:15] You can go full court if they do enough damage [12:15:36] Go to Internet Archive, and let it scrab your pages. [12:15:53] The license will be conserved with the text [12:15:56] I'm fine for Internet Archive to grab my content but not Fandom [12:16:23] Would it credit you in the page history right? [12:16:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1214547104702144583/image.png?ex=65f98222&is=65e70d22&hm=7fe6ac42ff1e0d8ed8ddc2f4efd77b105598cccefdc2740b70e356858a5b9efe& [12:16:46] edit summary comments count too, I believe [12:16:51] That's what I do [12:16:52] Or do you need an "Foo made this page" type template [12:17:35] Usually "AI-generated" websites does that [12:17:50] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tagline [12:18:11] From JW Meeting; Licensed under cc-by-nc-4.0 will apear on any page I link [12:18:33] My wiki uses a template that reads "This article was written by [writer name] and taken from [wikiname] Copyright 2023 [writer name] "All rights reserved" unless otherwise stated. Please do not copy this article or any parts of this article and use it elsewhere." [12:19:03] But you need to have it in the footer as well [12:19:25] Footer reads "All content is copyrighted to the writer/s of the articles. "All rights reserved" unless otherwise stated. Please do not copy any articles or any parts of any articles and use it elsewhere." on my wiki [12:19:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1214547843860267009/image.png?ex=65f982d3&is=65e70dd3&hm=dd048ea2e6a5e31b834d830da03d7c71d22ead0ba6ceb1be04e3d076b054bd66& [12:19:58] My footer just has an MediaWiki icon [12:20:20] You need the license there as well. [12:20:45] Check them boxes you ticked, you probably granted a license to fandom and also CC-BY-SA is only revokable if breached [12:21:05] Exactly [12:21:06] what kind of breach? [12:21:22] If they license it under a different License [12:21:42] SA means that they only can license it under CC-BY-SA [12:21:54] They can alter the text, but never the licens [12:22:10] certain creative commons licenses automatically revoke the rights if you break the terms of the license [12:22:35] the owner can offer more permissive licenses, when you sign up to fandom, check their terms [12:22:44] you grant a license to them for your work [12:23:19] [1/2] Ok. Not so familliar with Fandom. [12:23:20] [2/2] But the Creative Commons are very clear cut [12:23:32] Well, it's CC-BY-SA, not really custom license [12:23:59] So when I step out of Fandom, the license is automatically breached [12:24:03] you do it with Miraheze/Wikitide [12:24:09] not true [12:24:12] Thing is: as soon as you use fandom, you agree to the terms of use [12:24:35] https://www.fandom.com/licensing [12:24:36] "Regardless of chosen license, by editing a wiki on Miraheze or hosting your wiki on Miraheze, you agree to grant Miraheze a limited, worldwide license to redistribute the contents of your contributions." [12:24:40] from our ToU [12:25:40] " Individual wikis may not use a license other than CC BY-SA unless it has been explicitly permitted by, or it was subject to a different license at the time it was acquired by, Fandom, Inc. Non-permitted uses of alternate licenses automatically default to CC BY-SA." [12:25:50] (From Fandom) [12:26:11] [1/2] > By editing or otherwise contributing to a wiki that uses the CC BY-SA license, you agree to license any text you change or contribute under the CC BY-SA license. [12:26:11] [2/2] And they only have this unlike Miraheze [12:26:44] [1/2] "To grow the commons of free knowledge and free culture, all users editing or otherwise contributing to wikis that use the CC BY-SA license agree to grant broad permissions to the general public to re-distribute and re-use their contributions freely for any purpose, including commercial use, in accordance with the CC BY-SA license. Such use is allowed where attribution is given and [12:26:44] [2/2] the same freedom to re-use and re-distribute applies to any derivative works of the contributions." [12:27:08] (From Fandom) [12:27:36] As soon as you use Fandom, you have agreed to this [12:27:56] [1/2] > attribution is given [12:27:56] [2/2] If they want to use my contents now, they are forced to re-license, which means they have to credit me [12:28:15] [1/2] I kinda understand where wut is going but I don't understand where fandom breaks the licence [12:28:15] [2/2] when wikis leave fandom to another instance they cannot change licensing, or that would be a breach [12:28:21] Correct, but you have no controle over it [12:30:11] [1/2] My wiki is a bit weird [12:30:11] [2/2] Most of contents on the wiki is written by me. As I'm request to delete the data from Fandom, they will have to re-license from somewhere else and have to credit me properly. [12:30:13] [1/2] They don't. As they havce to adhere to their own ToU also. [12:30:13] [2/2] That what Wut? is coming from is, that she wants it all removed, and not put up again, without giving credit to him/her [12:31:32] I thought full history dumps counted as credit [12:31:35] [1/2] Well, I want my contents removed from wiki. [12:31:35] [2/2] If they want to put the contents on the wiki, they have to give credit [12:31:51] It doesn't when I request delete [12:31:53] wait wait [12:32:03] I thought you started the wiki on fandom [12:32:13] I started on Fandom [12:32:14] and left [12:32:36] and they take from new instance or? [12:33:03] I start from Fandom and now I want to request delete with DMCA [12:33:14] That you can't [12:33:17] ok, I see now [12:33:39] Only copyrighted content can be removed by DMCA [12:34:03] Nah, CC-BY-SA can be removed if they breach [12:34:05] When it was put there without permission [12:34:26] [1/2] but again, they usually do delete wikis w/ single editor [12:34:26] [2/2] or it's also not in your case? [12:34:41] I think because my wiki is big enough [12:34:49] well shit [12:34:53] 600 pages on Fandom I think [12:34:55] Wut? hasn't deleted it yet [12:35:04] Yea, not deleted [12:35:10] This is all hypothetical at best [12:35:18] I'm speaking from mine and other's experience [12:35:33] Wut? is forseeing a problem, that is not happened yet [12:35:38] I started Soft Cell Wiki on Fandom in 2019, and deleted w/o any opposition [12:35:44] If a wiki is like a few pages and didn't get attention, deleting it is pretty easy [12:35:57] Athria is another example [12:36:07] As my wiki does "tie" to big wikis on Fandom, it's really hard to get it deleted [12:36:10] yeah, that's the case [12:36:26] sucks it's not easy for you [12:37:26] unless you actually make a solid copyright on something DMCA doesn't seem to fly [12:37:51] [1/2] That what @max20091 has to do, is go quiet about it. [12:37:52] [2/2] Copy a few pages, delete them, then do it again with a next set of pages. [12:38:07] Don't delete them at once, that will wake the watchdogs up. [12:38:17] I did, and Fandom reverted so they also breached CC-BY-SA license [12:38:23] I'm afraid they're already awake [12:38:29] ok [12:38:54] No they have the right to revert it as you released your content to everyone [12:39:26] Nah, they didn't credit when revert [12:39:46] No, when they revert, the history stays in tact [12:39:48] manual revert? [12:39:59] or undeletion? [12:40:22] Manual revert I think, there's name of someone I saw [12:40:44] so no history then? [12:41:08] the history is still contain my name but their reverts didn't credit me [12:41:23] Link to that page please? [12:41:45] Let me explain something [12:41:50] Give me a sec [12:41:59] https://houkai2nd.fandom.com/wiki/Houkai_Gakuen_2_Wiki?action=history [12:42:47] This one is without their name [12:42:49] https://houkai2nd.fandom.com/wiki/World_Timeline?action=history [12:43:01] god what is this layout [12:43:39] ah right, they fucked history pages for anons [12:43:51] [1/4] When I copy a template from Wikipedia, I only put https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transwiki&oldid=1124851767 in the edit summery [12:43:51] [2/4] I name no user [12:43:52] [3/4] But when you click on the link, you see who was the last editor there, and the history has every contributor mentioned. [12:43:52] [4/4] That is perfectly legal. [12:44:05] you have to login or make hoops w/ diffs to see properly [12:45:21] [1/2] " Reverted edits by Max20091 (talk) to last revision by Redguyrock undo Tag: Rollback" [12:45:21] [2/2] They did credit you [12:45:40] They did a roll back [12:45:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1214554462769647626/image.png?ex=65f988fd&is=65e713fd&hm=a32a305341b0eff693fc20ae35c1915816667c18a1245e59f62aeef9d41dac25& [12:45:50] So it's perfectly legal [12:46:24] I also tested GDPR [12:46:28] [1/2] bilibili.com/video/BV1t44y1u7ci/?spm_id_from=888.80997.embed_other.whitelist&t=87 [12:46:28] [2/2] I want to menion that I rather like this song [12:46:51] That has lo legal meaning [12:47:02] I think they'll vanish your account under GDPR [12:47:03] As you break your own License [12:47:09] not take down content [12:47:20]