[00:15:24] story of my life trying to get a forum where young is 30 to learn mediawiki as probably the only modern form of expansion that community has [00:40:18] They think it's all like managing a Facebook group 😄 [00:53:40] Most wiki requestors be like [00:59:48] Story of my life [00:59:55] Unfortunately very true [01:05:38] Submitted one [01:06:41] might have a few more but ill leave it at that for now [01:18:22] so [01:18:46] whos everyone voting for ||/j [05:27:55] is it okay to ask for contributors to my wiki [05:29:20] In what way? [05:30:45] i'm making an anti-vsbw wiki made to counter their pages [05:31:07] and i need someone to make character pages [05:32:44] You're free to post a Discord server invite in #server-invites and ask here once, but please don't enter other users' DMs soliciting help, send repeated messages, or ping people countless times without their consent. [05:33:29] The rule of thumb is mainly: feel free to ask for assistance, but don't be a bug about it. [05:34:24] As long as you do that, you're perfectly okay. [05:42:53] got it [05:43:02] Best of luck with your wiki!! [05:43:09] how do i post in #server-invites [10:38:46] Still on the fence about requesting Xonotic and the Ready Or Not wikis. On one hand the games deserve better than trashdom but on the other, I don't the time for wikis [10:40:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1217421927745065031/image.png?ex=6603f786&is=65f18286&hm=971bb2a868704d5bac79004d5e8639a56fa997aa4ad294c74f7da6feea804c5d& [13:58:48] :True: [15:15:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1217491312572502016/remix-fde49581-7ab8-42c2-a21c-fca54bee325a.png?ex=66043824&is=65f1c324&hm=b9fb2752aa3d852d53ac2ce9cd351efb7df1708596ba550f03bc6b97d005d339& [15:16:52] @rodejong [15:42:40] hello [15:43:34] [1/2] I'd like to inform you... De Jong is the most common last name in The Netherlands. So nothing unique. [15:43:34] [2/2] It's like Smith or Jensen [15:49:12] oh lmao [16:14:29] There are famouse speedskaters, football players, journalist, photographer, etc. I even have some with the same first name 😄 [16:15:42] but this is our very own de jong [16:15:45] [1/2] I used to work at a TV/Phone/Internet helpdesk where there was one on the same floor that had my full name. [16:15:46] [2/2] So he had rdejong already. That's when I became Rodejong [16:16:06] True Story [16:16:52] 1998 [16:17:17] wow 26 years ago 😄 [16:17:21] I'm old [16:18:31] None of them are Miraheze wiki creators though [16:28:49] 😄 [16:31:41] Oh my god it feels SO weird to see my name on [[Meta:Patrollers]] :pupCoffeeMH: [16:31:41] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Patrollers [16:31:42]

[16:48:04] Also hadn’t seen unsigned is meant to be substituted before, good to know. This is why you check things lol [16:48:17] Thank you Doug [17:25:14] lol [17:25:44] is ro a common name? [17:27:33] Ro is short for Ro..... [17:28:56] (I believe Ro is short for Robert?) [17:28:58] Oh too late lol [17:29:02] Ron, Ronald, Robert, Roderick, Robin, Roland, Rogier, Roman, Ronny, etc [17:29:12] I was looking up how common Robert is as a name :p [17:29:26] Quite common also I think [17:30:15] But ever since that job, my friends call me Ro [17:56:34] ohhh [18:19:04] Whats the verdict [18:20:03] [1/3] I’ll need to look on the Netherlands to be fair but: [18:20:03] [2/3] > Robert was in the top 10 most given boys' names in the United States for 47 years, from 1925 to 1972. [18:20:04] [3/3] > It is the fourth most common name in the United States, according to 100 years of Social Security Administration naming and mortality data.[5] There are 3,085,000 males and 13,571 females[6] with this name, for a total of 3,098,571 people with this name. [18:23:15] According to a website that would definitely appease WP:REPLY, “Rob” is the 4th most common name and “Robert” is the 19th [18:23:53] LOL [18:26:49] I mean how could anyways not trust [18:26:53] checks notes [18:27:00] Forebear.io [18:38:08] [1/2] seems to be working [18:38:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1217542226779836456/image.png?ex=6604678f&is=65f1f28f&hm=2d2fe0cb76346cdc1942cbeb92f562e3d318a9d425e5bfe52d222beddb206e76& [18:38:21] @pixldev is this how Twinkle is supposed to look like? [18:38:37] That’s what I had [18:38:47] So I assume that part is independent of tipsy [18:39:07] I tested this yesterday https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1217293935924219985/e4AjSkk.png?ex=66038052&is=65f10b52&hm=e46836c021d3dd7e2e0e3d2658306691f4627ed4794713a82e6399497ffe05da& [18:39:25] [[Meta:Sandbox]] [18:39:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Sandbox [18:39:26]

[18:39:45] Would have done it on a user sandbox but I can’t rollback without another user editing the page [18:40:34] I should probably get some edits on enwiki to get autoconfirmed and look at it there [18:40:44] I'm not sure what is using Tipsy, but the mitigations are in place (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition?curid=8386&diff=378688&oldid=331867, https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-deprecatedTipsy.js?oldid=378685) [18:41:03] so whatever function uses that should work [18:43:19] Do you get the could not load twinkleoptions.js error? Though that doesn’t seem it would be related to a tooltip library [18:47:06] nothing here [18:47:24] keep in mind I'm talking about the gadget version on Meta, I don't maintain the devwiki version [18:47:46] seems to be in perfect working order, other than the warning about jquery.ui [18:48:07] telling me I should port it to OOui [18:49:17] Oh yeah [18:49:22] I’ll try the gadget when I get home [18:51:06] [1/2] 😂 [18:51:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1217545492213272709/image.png?ex=66046a9a&is=65f1f59a&hm=6ed6d02811494eb6dd6fd6adf2c2e371ea6aa8ea0927a553292b1732bc7d733e& [18:51:40] [1/2] Huh. [18:51:40] [2/2] Not even forums I'm a member of do stuff like that. [18:51:54] I love wiki people [18:52:03] Also I forgot mobile isn’t totally useless [18:52:07] Gadget works [18:52:11] Well haven’t used it [18:52:19] The settings page lids [18:52:30] And has settings the dev one didn’t [18:52:31] where was the settings page? [18:52:58] [[Meta:Twinkle/Preferences]]? [18:52:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Twinkle/Preferences [18:52:59]

[18:53:01] Yeah [18:53:07] Wasn’t sure of the spelling [18:53:11] it's working baby [18:53:35] Another thing I’ll take a look at is that the user warn templates are defined in the js [18:53:41] But we have a LOT less then enwiki [18:53:50] Looking before it looks like it is updated [18:54:14] But toward the end wasn’t sure [18:54:16] I’ll try it out [18:54:43] Don’t wanna let it think there’s templates that don’t exist [18:55:13] I may also import some from enwiki if I feel they would be useful, or more likely bring it up for discussion [18:55:20] Ie I think we don’t have one for unsigned [19:01:01] Side note: it just occurred to me now the reason the dev script couldn’t find my options page is because it was looking on dev wiki not meta [19:01:21] makes sense [19:02:46] This is the second oh wait I’m dumb it’s so obvious moment today for me [19:15:50] Not an issue with the script the sidebar links to do play well with Timeless 🤣 [19:15:54] It’s so far down [19:16:17] On the page I’m looking at there is no body content this far down [19:17:03] I’m gonna need to start using a new skin on Meta [19:23:30] Try talk back on your page lmao [19:24:24] Also should I add you to the Twinkle page on meta as a contact? [19:24:32] probably [19:25:05] wait, no, at most just a link to the IA page [19:25:09] everyone wants an orange star [19:25:19] There’s an IA page? [19:25:31] [[Meta:Interface administrator]] [19:25:31] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Interface_administrator [19:25:32]

[19:25:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Interface_administrators [19:25:43] that one [19:25:44] Oh the talk page for IS [19:26:10] The current page says to use [[Meta talk:Twinkle]] [19:26:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Twinkle [19:26:17]

[19:26:26] that's fine too [19:26:40] well I'll try warning myself, see what happens [19:27:40] Can I try too? [19:27:46] sure [19:27:51] also it is working fine too [19:27:58] pops up a nice little box [19:28:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:OrangeStar?diff=prev&oldid=378717 [19:28:12] Also uh how do I edit a page Marked with translation comment’s without fucking it up anything I need to know? [19:28:35] avoid the tags like the plague [19:28:43] Gucci [19:28:47] as long as you don't touch them everything just works TM [19:29:00] remember you can't just edit individual sections on those pages [19:31:36] Hm? [19:31:50] seems to have worked [19:31:58] Aye [19:31:59] was something failing? [19:31:59] Sock! [19:32:11] On TW? Nope [19:34:34] Oh, just saw that the talkback thing refers to WP:AN [19:34:46] In [[Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js]] [19:34:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js [19:34:47]

[19:35:33] hmm, looks like I have some work to do then [19:36:30] Though it’s pretty rare for users to be discussed on AN like on enwiki [19:36:40] Last I recall was Silicona [19:46:29] Huh. Someone just registered [[User:HELPMEHELPME]] on meta.. [19:46:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:HELPMEHELPME [19:46:30]

[19:46:33] It’s probably fine [19:46:47] I guess they need help [19:48:43] I’ll keep an eye on RC [19:53:10] As do I [19:53:47] Feels weird seeing the rollback button on meta lol [19:54:44] feel free to rant if you want, this is #offtopic [19:55:00] though we can't offer much other than the small consolation that some stranger on the Internet has read it [19:56:34] With? [19:56:50] There ain't much you can surprise me with [19:58:13] Nothing in particulat [19:58:41] Anything not particular [20:09:35] Updated [20:41:09] <.labster> @tali64 I was hoping you could reply to your [[Requests for Comment/Reception wikis]]. I think that there probably is an educational argument supporting reception wikis, I just don't know what it is, and no one else has made one. [20:41:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Reception_wikis [20:41:10]

[20:41:42] I'm working on a reply right now [20:42:38] <.labster> cool, thanks 🙂 [20:43:58] Meta question: I’m copying over [[w:Template:uw-tilde]] god I hate that name to meta, is there any issue with keeping the links to Wikipedia information pages on signs and talk page guidelines? [20:43:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:uw-tilde [20:43:59]

[20:58:22] [[User:PixDeVl/Template:Uw-unsigned]] [20:58:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/Template:Uw-unsigned [20:58:23]

[21:01:28] with nothing else considered it's a simple argument imo, there is a public interest in how things are taken and why they are taken that way, ergo a reception wiki done properly educates the public on well, what is thought of xyz and why [21:01:52] now what I usually find missing in implementation is that why, and the what is thought component overwhelmingly veers into personal nitpicks [21:13:32] i don't have much experience with reception wikis and go only go by the discussions here and in RfCs. Seems like if they can make a case on educational merit, including a basis for good/bad, and commit to robust moderation, a request could be considered. [21:19:13] there really is and has always been potential in it, I even tried to make a proof of concept at one time before I got too involved in other things - the trouble is that I can't think of virtually anyone in the community who can pull it off well and the likes of money/tali are the only ones who'd be likely to go all in with it, and they have their own hands full I reckon [21:20:22] they would continue to be a high maintenance burden as people ever try to subvert the standards as typical for that type of wiki, and any slippage will result in a repeat of history [21:21:17] it would either die because it feels stifled or try to make a compromise and the devil is in that compromise. The practical reason why people like the wikis so much is because they're a cheap and easy format to rant about stuff. [21:22:40] @bluemoon0332 when you have a moment, would adding this to Twinkles list of warnings? [21:32:46] I'll try [21:33:07] though before that it would be cool if you moved it to the Template: namespace [21:33:15] I'd be willing to work on what's needed for the new RWs as well [21:33:27] But I haven't gotten the impression that everyone just wants to rant [21:33:42] They've all had a blast on Imagination Land and everything on there is made up [21:44:19] imagination land is inherently rather unserious and a creative wiki by design (also rather dead at the moment but I digress), this takes a lot of the fundamental strain and chaos of reception wikis [22:52:25] Was talking with a friend about school stuff, then managed to move to teaching how to use python to preaching miraheze gosple [22:59:17] Hope you told them about our messiah raidette [22:59:20] Praise the messiah [22:59:26] working on it [22:59:36] theyy are currently watching the bible [22:59:39] the mossbag video [23:00:19] Ah the new testemant! [23:01:15] I love that all of this is happening in a channel for a school club [23:09:39]