[00:28:37] I swear there is some shared database or something that all companies just copy-paste from every time they decide to fire a bunch of people at once... the spiel they give is THAT identical [00:33:01] It's basically a law template that corporate lawyers have learned at school. These layoffs are often done by 3rd party firms. The company decides who, and they let the firms do the paperwork [00:34:12] Heh, so I geuss I was far closer than I expected then xD [00:44:45] [1/2] :moonch: [00:44:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219446428812836914/Screenshot_20240319_084353.jpg?ex=660b54fc&is=65f8dffc&hm=b81447a342fc2862360357eae60d59b783f98a47da5262acbfd622ea12a45b96& [00:45:59] [1/2] Apparently there's a Telegram account with my username that I don't own [00:45:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219446738570576022/image.png?ex=660b5546&is=65f8e046&hm=0fa00673353b72ab56954519a7f6b90bc5babe8dc028f3dc71d198d0f87619ba& [00:50:39] It may be a coincidence. Some rando has the minecraft username pixlDeV for instance [00:50:43] No idea who [00:51:11] No affiliation to me and seems to predate my engagement in any visible community [00:51:19] Wow that is oddly specific [00:52:52] Their skin is a cow [00:54:43] [1/3] Compare; [00:54:43] [2/3] https://namemc.com/profile/pixlDeV.1 [00:54:44] [3/3] https://namemc.com/profile/pixDeVl.1 [00:55:14] Libera blocks china? not china blocking libera? interesting [01:04:00] Maybe too many IPs from the mainland of China are abusing it, I'm not sure, haha. [01:09:26] When apex socks on your new wikifarm [01:09:44] https://tenor.com/view/ugh-annoyed-face-gif-18341274 [01:18:23] christ [01:44:54] Well a lot of spam and phishing does seem to originate from Chinese IPs [01:44:57] IDK why [02:20:50] Maybe it's because the relevant "industries" are more developed. [02:20:58] :moonch: [02:22:49] Lol yea could be [03:45:46] <.labster, replying to pixldev> [1/2] literally the safest things to be a fan of ever [03:45:47] <.labster, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219491982838075404/image.png?ex=660b7f69&is=65f90a69&hm=0335b9de32bfb16e610b2d0d9235ee55fa3b22dc65af4e5b2e39886cba082d9b& [03:47:07] <.labster> I mean, like, I've written fanfic that had to have two new tags created on AO3. Try liking some more obscure stuff, VP person. [03:47:21] ikr [03:49:02] Lmao [03:50:45] <.labster> Is there any way to recruit those wiki reps here? Were they paid or something? [03:50:53] They were paid yeah [03:51:02] But from what I've heard it's a terrible job [03:51:06] Low pay, lots of stress, etc. [03:51:09] <.labster> Of course it is, it's moderation [03:51:33] Basically they're part-time employees on low pay doing customer service, web development, Trust & Safety, etc. [03:52:25] <.labster> I'd love to put out a press release tomorrow, "Miraheze announces Wiki Representives Program" ( @brandon.wm hi ) [03:52:51] :StrongestSupportMH: [03:53:22] There was discussion last #meetings about creating a wiki rep role but unfortunately MH is too poor to pay wiki reps so it'd be a volunteer role so it wouldn't have the humor of being an exact copy of whatever Fandom did [03:53:34] <.labster> I'm not sure it's actually a good idea, but I would eventually like something more in the way of customer service [03:53:40] Yeah same [03:53:42] Ideally yeah [03:54:02] <.labster> It's entirely possible that it wasn't that effective of a program for Fandom [03:54:27] Could be [03:55:24] <.labster> alternatively it's something they inherited from Gamepedia, finally got around to killing it without worrying about wikis leaving [03:56:02] <.labster> 5 years is awfully long for that [03:57:41] <.labster> [1/2] > but the most important thing to know right now is that we are shifting to a full-time staffing model and bringing on multiple new Community Managers who are joining us from the Wiki Rep program. [03:57:41] <.labster> [2/2] actually this sounds really sensible. part-time project managers is less likely to work out well [03:58:53] Yea [04:05:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5xueJq4Lwc [04:06:31] Acheron and Black Swan shippers are definitely loving this video [04:20:20] AND it's expensive. [05:38:44] Yeah I think it is reasonable to re-hire some of the wiki representatives to full-time staff, which is still better than nothing. [05:39:24] I missed this by mistake [05:39:33] Idk why I didn't see this message [05:39:34] Though I do feel sorry for the ones that were laid off. I wish them all the best, whether it'd be for them to continue editing wikis on Fandom, elsewhere, or stopping altogether. 🫡 [05:39:47] Hmm okay [05:39:50] I won't vandalize Fandom then [05:41:30] [1/4] Nah it wasn't about that [05:41:30] [2/4] It was because I didn't care about the consequences and wanted to know if it was possible, and wanted to know what would happen if I did it, so I did it [05:41:30] [3/4] Everyone knows you can blank a page on a wiki but I wanted to see what the reaction would be eg if the devwiki main page was gone [05:41:31] [4/4] I don't mind being blocked from Fandom but I see why people here don't like it so I won't do it anymore [05:42:23] [1/2] I've never told anyone to go to Miraheze lol [05:42:24] [2/2] I just posted pictures of Bronya and Seele because I was going through a yuri ship phase [05:43:20] I did add the "stop using Fandom" video to the YouTube wiki but it was more about the humor of a Fandom wiki for YouTubers and YouTube videos being full of a video telling everyone to not use the platform, but I understand why that isn't a popular thing to do, so I'll stop [06:27:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F97s_pcDXBI lol this is amazing especially for a fan video [08:22:19] 'rules are made to be broken' is an attitude that will come back to bite, the demonstration that you can and can justify it will permanently erode confidence in the eyes of some [11:21:06] Also it should be pretty obvious what would happen... you get banned from the platform and the change get reverted. I don't see what there is to "see what would happen" [11:53:18] [1/8] I think you misunderstand: [11:53:18] [2/8] It is not only "Miraheze users", but a general perception by most users on the world wide internet, that vandalising (The word alone should prevent you from doing that) isn't accepted. And it only leads to you getting a bad reputation. [11:53:18] [3/8] To take the example of the other user (a few days ago): The attitude shown here wasn't appreciated. Knowing that he was globally locked on Fandom, made us feel the need to keep an extra eye on. [11:53:19] [4/8] You do not want to create a bad reputation, as a good reputation takes months or even years to build up, but can be lost within seconds, by doing something stupid. [11:53:19] [5/8] And don't forget, You love our farm now, but what ensures us, that it will stay like that? If you for what kind of reason don't like it here anymore, would you then do the same here, as what you have done at Fandom? [11:53:19] [6/8] That is what your reputation (at least in my eyes) has come down to. [11:53:20] [7/8] As I said... a reputation takes years too build sometimes, especially when you start off on the backfoot due to something like vandalising another farm, website, wiki, and bragging about it. [11:53:20] [8/8] You may not like what I said here now. But when you get older, and look back, you'll see that this advice will have been useful. The same way I learned from my attitude on the Danish Wikipedia, where I a am banned for life. Please don't make the same mistake! [11:55:22] Addendum: Words are easily written. Actions speak louder then those words 😉 [13:10:28] It's nice having an offtopic channel and I'm coming now [13:10:33] Yeah [13:10:35] Hello [13:10:41] Hi [13:10:50] Hello all [13:11:14] I'm from the USA. So you are both from russia/china? [13:11:26] I'm from China. [13:13:12] And hearing about you saying you're from the USA, it's also my favorite country. I love this country so much and in the future I may travel there, this is what I'm looking for [13:13:37] [1/2] Because of western websites ban, china made own copy of the websites like baidu (copy from google), baidu baike (copy from wikipedia, wechat (copy from whatsapp), qq, bilibili (copy from youtube), etc. [13:13:37] [2/2] All of these are strictly censored by chinese goverment [13:14:05] It is probably better than living in a country like Russia/Japan with a dicator and strict laws/censorship. [13:14:19] But it is not as great as it is made out to be [13:14:22] And if you going to USA or most european countries, you can freely go to western websites without the chinese goverment control [13:14:23] It's totally correct. They copy everything into their own, and they're terribly awful. [13:15:06] At least china gives the replacement websites for their people [13:15:24] And i'm from Indonesia so i can freely visit western media [13:15:31] Japan is a democratic state as far as I know, they don't have capitalism found in one-party states. [13:15:32] The truely ironic part as far as I heard that even TikTok, which is owned by a chinese company is banned in China, and have a chinese specific version instead xD [13:15:36] But reddit and vimeo are blocked on my country so [13:15:42] I mean't China, sorry [13:16:02] And US will ban tiktok too because china spionage [13:16:22] The CCP is moving their steps into regulating the use of apps and promoting them across the nation. In China if you don't have a cell phone you'll feel like being denied everywhere. [13:16:23] Did the Special:GlobalBlockWhitelist work? [13:16:29] I can visit most of western websites [13:16:42] I'm sorry, I haven't tested it yet let me do it right away [13:16:51] Ah, ok [13:16:53] No problem or rush! [13:17:21] Well kinda, but is a whole other story in that regards, and doesn't contain that kind of irony at least (though it does have some other ironies in it instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcjLY2wCbaE ) [13:17:23] At least please increase your social credit so you can get a royalty from the goverment [13:18:42] It told me the IP address I entered is not globally blocked [13:19:10] What needs to be clarified is that Bilibili actually imitated niconico. [13:19:48] Okay, then I'm not sure what is causing the block [13:20:04] [1/2] Btw tiktok has own e-commerce, it is tiktok shop, but because of regulation about mixing social media and e-commerce isn't allowed, tiktok shop were shut down [13:20:05] [2/2] But tiktok shop comes back thanks to tokopedia to make it possible, so the e-commerce system of tiktok will be redirected to tokopedia [13:20:35] And regarding the block of TikTok, it's better to separate the company from ByteDance. Maintaining the status as a local company ensures compliance and reduces risks of Internet attacks from communism states. [13:20:45] [1/2] Yeah [13:20:45] [2/2] I used it for watching some opening and closing of japanese television channels [13:20:58] Like if someone unblocked the IP address for me, or there's another kinds of restriction [13:21:01] But it’s undeniable that Bilibili now wants to become China’s YouTube. [13:21:13] Can you send me a link to the wiki? [13:21:28] And the IP address that is not allowing account creation? [13:21:37] liao.miraheze.org [13:22:18] And the IP address that is not allowing account creation? [13:23:19] I haven't tested it out for this time, I tried to make one some hours before. [13:23:49] And checking on the list of globally blocked IP addresses I can find the IP range covering mine is blocked by Agent [13:24:17] Can you DM me the range that is blocked? [13:25:18] Sure, may I know if you're stuff at Miraheze? [13:25:47] I am not Miraheze staff. No one at Miraheze is staff/paid. We are all volenteers. [13:26:37] Yes I mean if you contribute at Miraheze and have permissions for making changes [13:27:30] I have gone in and removed the block on your wiki, you will now be able to create accounts from that IP. [13:28:57] Thank you for making the change for me. [13:29:39] No problem. I really enjoy helping people with their wikis 😁 [13:30:16] You're really a kind person:EpicFaceMH: [13:31:16] I appreciate that 💗 [13:31:41] Nice bro from the US🤣 [13:32:55] Cause my ISP is crazy they even block my Secure DNS service. They won't allow even a little bit of privacy services benefiting people. [13:33:01] Oof [13:33:54] Yes I use their Cloudflare Zero Trust service cause they have Secure DNS functionality, I configured my browser to make use of it but the ISP just blocked after days of use. [13:34:05] Interesting... [13:34:28] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219640133310087269/image.png?ex=660c0963&is=65f99463&hm=7ae2bae20fa108a8b068d2df66322ad42b98467c15d3ef01deb47f9beaed6289& [13:38:12] @holocraft I just saw your messages in #general , thanks for the wishes. I will take security precautions well and I'm planning for the move. [13:38:39] Fleeing China is now on my schedule. [13:38:49] [1/2] Ok [13:38:49] [2/2] I hope you are safe and not be caughted by chinese authority [13:39:13] Btw it easier to fleeing from china than north korea [13:39:28] Thank you. I have a comprehensive measure dealing with them. [13:39:29] Because north korea is also communist country, like china [13:39:53] Yes it's much easier for Chinese people. I'm going to move to Europe if everything goes well. [13:39:58] But it doesn't allow north korean people to leave out the country [13:40:01] Yes they have KPA [13:40:33] Yes so they have to seek for asylum help in a third country [13:41:08] It's hard and though for people of the North Korea but it's much easier here. [14:07:25] fine by me, since the current one will become unused once I change the default anyway [15:33:46] Hmm ok [15:34:14] I see what you mean [15:34:15] Thanks [16:25:17] [1/2] I really shouldn't have made my account language Japanese because I can't read most of this but I am pretty sure Discord has terminated me for being a spambot (I definitely can't login to my main) [16:25:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219683123139313735/Screenshot_from_2024-03-19_09-20-43.png?ex=660c316d&is=65f9bc6d&hm=013f774f9dec0acab733563b3c499a6bcf37bc95fe184066f108b10f7ed2316f& [16:25:25] I'll appeal it in a few days I guess [16:25:39] Did they ever email you back on what you did? [16:25:56] No lol [16:26:14] It's been like 3 days and I still haven't gotten a response to my email [16:26:36] Oof [16:27:02] https://tenor.com/view/termed-discord-banned-discord-mod-discord-tos-discord-disabled-gif-25396768 [16:30:21] I appealed it now because if I wait too long to appeal it by the time they've gotten back to me the account will probably already be permanently deleted (this happened to multiple people I know, they made successful appeals but their accounts had already been deleted by the time Discord responded) [16:35:39] does anyone else have trouble signing into outlook or is it just me [16:35:49] like clicking the signin button on outlook.com doesn't work [17:26:42] [1/2] The last archive ever was just made today [17:26:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219698577966759946/image0.jpg?ex=660c3fd1&is=65f9cad1&hm=31778fa76e9905d005258c3384848debb22917b8a676a36b14ca350dd1332aac& [17:27:41] Why's it the "last archive"? 😕 [17:29:51] Lol [17:30:14] When taken too literally, "final archive" could mean "last archive ever" [18:11:50] [1/2] If I'm gonna be honest, as a Fandom star, it is this sort of attitude that has sort of prevented me from joining this community. Though, in the end, I believe we should leave our tensions aside and foster peace between both communities, especially since most of the Miraheze users here are just people who want to do their own thing without necessarily being [18:11:51] [2/2] a breeding ground of "Fandom haters". [18:15:42] I don't want to destroy Fandom wikis [18:16:13] That being said I do hope Fandom wikis move off of Fandom doesn't have to be to Miraheze though [18:16:54] [1/2] up to the communities if they wanna move, really [18:16:54] [2/2] a lot of communities that want to move already did [18:16:58] That's indeed what I tried to convey 👆 [18:17:19] Yea ik what you mean [18:18:20] Fair ig [18:18:39] Although many most likely do want to move but are just locked in [18:18:53] yeah, I can understand that [18:19:31] though the biggest and more technical communities that did it, like minecraft and hollow knight, already managed to do it [18:19:47] Thinking on it, it’s a bit funny to think that a lot of Miraheze users are wiki-revolutionaries [18:21:45] [1/3] Continuing on my statement here, to be fair, it's not a Miraheze issue. wiki.gg has the same issue, despite one of their rules being not to trash talk other wiki platforms. They wanna do their own thing, and they absolutely should and feel free to do so. However, there was one user who was constantly spewing Fandom hate rhetoric, to the point where it [18:21:45] [2/3] annoyed other users in the wiki.gg Discord server, and almost felt like to Fandom stars as if everyone was in the server like him. [18:21:45] [3/3] He got banned last month and the people there were relieved to see him banned, after a long time of his remarks. [18:21:52] cough WP ban being a kickstarter for Miraheze cough [18:22:38] lemme guess - tolfy, or something like that? [18:22:46] Yeah, that guy [18:22:50] man [18:22:56] such a funny guy [18:23:07] did a very funny thing here [18:23:07] I've heard he impersonated someone here, right? [18:23:14] an admin [18:23:16] yeah lol [18:23:25] talk about a common enemy [18:23:31] never cease to make me laugh [18:24:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219713002161569902/image.png?ex=660c4d40&is=65f9d840&hm=4ea951c1180523af33244835b27ea2a49f39a9f6338edfb56abcbfa343445f05& [18:24:19] How ironic that one who FANDOM was an example of the bad evil Miraheze was in fact a commonality [18:24:19] "fuck wiki editors" [18:25:01] lmaooo [18:25:20] damn did they made mobile search even worse [18:25:24] can't find [18:25:32] antiwikism [18:25:34] Hm yes [18:25:36] [1/2] he used to be a Fandom hater only [18:25:36] [2/2] after his ban on wiki.gg, he now hates all 3 major wiki platforms lol [18:26:04]