[01:52:48] spent 5 minutes on wikiquotes trying to find a quote for my user page [01:53:13] > Why do Wikipedians perform these millions of hours of labor, some expended on a giant straw goat, without pay? Because they don't experience them as labor. “It's a misconception people work for free,” Wales told the site Hacker Noon in 2018. “They have fun for free.” [01:53:15] i like this one [02:01:48] [1/2] also [02:01:48] [2/2] > Wikis don't work if people aren't bold. You've got to get out there and make those changes, correct that grammar, add those facts, make that language precise, etc., etc. It's OK. It's what everyone expects. So you should never ask, "Why aren't these pages copyedited?" Amazingly, it all works out. It does require some amount of politeness, but it works. You'll see. [02:02:13] ill prob use this for now [02:45:07] you guys talk about piracy w/o me smh [03:03:04] Hahaha, welcome to the party. 😁 [03:25:10] <.labster> Pirates prevent global warming, so we have a duty to encourage piracy [03:42:56] The high seas of climate conservation, yarrr [03:51:41] @globe_x / @koreirose Much appreciation for responding to the request for faster response times on SN, but would recommend in the future that there's an avoidance of 'piling on'. If one user has already responded, it's probably less necessary to add another comment if no new information will be added. [03:51:54] It was new information [03:52:35] [1/3] > Adding to the wiki requests being approved in an hour, the fast speed of reviews led to sometimes denying genuine requests and approving bad requests, creating unnecessary work for Stewards. None of us here get paid so it can take a while to do things, but the benefit of us all doing this for free as a service to Internet users is that there will not be any advertisements or unpo [03:52:36] [2/3] pular decisions being made by a faceless company for no reason. [03:52:36] [3/3] The first sentence was new information but I can remove the 2nd because it's repetitive [03:53:19] Possibly so but looking, it's not exactly something that'll help answer the question [03:53:39] Totally up to you on what to do with the comment, it's now been posted so all good either way [03:54:07] I'm not a sysop, I have no power over this obviously, it was just a recommendation as it can cause users to leave the platform, which we definitely don't want [03:54:17] Yeah I know [03:54:25] I understand the reasoning behind your suggestion I'm not trying to say you're wrong lol [03:55:09] Oh good as long as the intent was communicated haha [03:55:38] It doesn't really add much is all, and the original user probably won't see it as a ton of a difference, so that's why. [03:55:47] Hmm I see [03:56:42] Yeah - objectively nonsensical requests such as that one are better off with a one-time, possibly stern message, and then left alone. [03:56:56] More comments brings fuel to fire. [04:00:39] Well I don't think it's complete nonsense, I understand why they're asking, I just added that to explain to them why it's not reasonable to approve so quickluy [04:01:16] [1/2] I changed it to make it shorter to avoid taking up too much space to help make it simpler for them [04:01:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219858272971128962/image.png?ex=660cd48c&is=65fa5f8c&hm=3802efc2104881e50b68fefc03b59362a5f5130597bdaee201cc11439d13a4f9& [04:03:39] All good, whatever works best in this case 🙂 [04:10:52] I would ask that these sorts of posts are left to functionaries, preferably stewards. [04:11:26] There's clerking and then there's speaking on behalf of the project, this is getting into grey area. [04:11:32] Fair enough. [04:12:20] (not to say anyone did wrong here in their replies, just clarifying on stance) [04:15:43] Hmm [04:15:43] Ok [04:17:56] [1/2] I'm not trying to speak on behalf of the project but it's not accurate to say Stewards are the staff or embodiment of the project either, rather they are users just like the rest of us but are trusted and responsible and as such can carry out duties involving administrative rights and confidential information, but that does not mean they are the platform's owners or staff, at least [04:17:56] [2/2] not in the way e.g. Fandom staff run Fandom [04:18:53] Stewards have been elected by the community to oversee and caretake the community aspect of the platform. They have jurisdiction over these matters - the page is titled steward requests. [04:19:21] Oh I see what you mean by that [04:19:51] I used to see non-Stewards frequently answering questions on the SR board though [04:20:38] For most questions it's fine, yeah. If a user is asking how to adopt a wiki, go ahead. If there's a malformed request and it's all jumbled, feel free to delete. [04:21:17] That's clerking. But as NotAracham said there is a little grey area where it's harder to discern, and in edge cases probably best to leave to Stewards to not draw assumptions on permissibility. [04:21:43] Alright [04:21:44] I see [04:21:45] Thank [04:24:08] Yep, this is what I meant. I'm also a unique situation in which I'm both a member of board of directors and a steward, but intent was to say that for requests on the stewards request board with a less clear-cut response, it's better to defer to them. [04:24:29] [1/4] my old tumblr post is still getting reblogged and I decided to check how WikiTide link works - ok, it redirects to Miraheze home page [04:24:30] [2/4] but - who translated it? [04:24:30] [3/4] "set up by yourself" and "setting-ness"? [04:24:30] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219864116814942228/IMG_20240320_072206.jpg?ex=660cd9fd&is=65fa64fd&hm=14ce7100fd13dd561ba51a728f31f116603a6f6f64f5603bcd589c7e60687c7d& [04:25:30] Russian is very unwelcome to tautology [04:25:32] I'm honestly not sure on that one... Hrm. [04:25:37] I see, thanks [04:26:02] Sorry about that [04:26:03] The website that builds itself is a most welcome website indead [04:26:30] Again, not a problem. Nuance is weird and not always clear, esp. in online settings. [04:26:52] Alright thanks [04:27:12] I believe Miraheze general site is machine translation, right? [04:35:38] https://tenor.com/view/meme-minions-gif-26320242 [05:08:40] lol [05:12:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219876179008552990/IMG_8062.png?ex=660ce539&is=65fa7039&hm=21c529369cd35ae5937f15957f0655521e33cb349dfd2f167cab3ceb0d393a2d& [05:51:42] <.labster> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/03/glassdoor-adding-users-real-names-job-info-to-profiles-without-consent/ [05:53:41] <.labster> If you’ve ever reviewed an employer anonymously, good news, Glassdoor will now automatically link your name to your account using any data it finds. [05:57:14] <.labster> It's a good time to deactivate your account. Not delete your account, they won't delete your data of course #postingFromOutsideEU [06:00:40] Wow wtf [06:18:04] @brandon.wm they can't provide specifics because their account is locked for vandalism https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/42380#mw-section-comments [06:19:57] bruh [06:21:09] I've been annoyed with glassdoor for a while (they recently changed their model such that you need to answer a bunch of intrusive questions before searching their company listings), this does nothing to further ingratiate them to me. [06:21:25] This reeks of lastpass before they really fucked up w the user privacy/vault mgmt stuff [06:51:54] [1/2] Does this sound okay? [06:51:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1219901212678164530/image.png?ex=660cfc89&is=65fa8789&hm=ee83701ec5290485f683272b8a2a96adcb939fa8647cb186643690d0f85afd83& [06:52:09] (also pinging @metal_pail because my chinese sucks) [06:56:29] Oops, probably should’ve been in #general [08:13:01] Alright gn people [08:13:05] It's getting late [10:09:32] Your Chinese is not bad. There is basically no problem with this paragraph. ||Trivia: The Chinese translation of "Wiki creators" is actually "wiki创建员" or "wiki建立員".|| [12:23:31] it's nice to see a few more folks adept in both chinese and english sticking around [13:41:30] Speaking of which, is there a Chinese word for wiki? [13:42:22] I know the Chinese writing system works differently from other writing systems but I'm just wondering. [14:08:43] The commonly used translation is "维基"/"維基", but we usually keep the original text and do not translate the word "wiki" on the translatewiki.net. [14:10:52] I often see normal English names untranslated indeed in the Wikirequests. It's kinda nice, because it gives an idea what it is about without needing to translate [14:11:06] unrelated note, would you mind occasionally being a contact from time to time say, if a wiki creator needs clearer insight on a request in chinese? no worries if not I just like to try and loop in people with useful satellite skills who get along [14:19:48] Yeah I know, misclick on handling request [14:25:03] Of course, feel free to contact me anytime if needed. Actually, I have been a Chinese volunteer on Fandom for six years. [14:29:07] excellent [15:29:41] is 創建員 more common in china? [15:29:56] (i will fix my message when i get home) [15:38:29] In the context of MediaWiki, "create" is generally translated as "创建" in the mainland of China, and as "建立" in Taiwan. [15:44:03] oh, i see [15:44:06] thanks [18:24:13] Is that simplified vs. traditional or something else [18:39:32] <.labster> Looks like a different word to me. [18:50:52] @.labster is correct that it is a different word. [18:53:00] [1/2] 創建/创造 chùangjiàn [18:53:01] [2/2] 建立 jiànlì [18:53:15] Different word choice [19:05:36] There are often differences between mainland Chinese and Taiwanese translations [19:08:13] [1/2] sometimes there are different words for the same thing too. [19:08:14] [2/2] e.g. internet 互聯網(China) vs. 網際網路(Taiwan, usually shortened to 網路) [19:47:48] I just realized...I just now crossed 1,000 edits globally. [19:47:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1220096482170900591/image.png?ex=660db265&is=65fb3d65&hm=61668e981e073c8d56989b9432e3496aee6f28672371c1ebccf0c4f03e6410d3& [19:47:51] lol [19:48:03] 6 years(?) later [19:55:07] <.labster> 7900 edits for me [19:55:27] nice [19:55:38] I was a bit...inactive for periods. [19:55:41] so rip on my end [19:55:51] <.labster> Some of those edits were technically on Orain [19:55:57] ah interesting [19:56:21] <.labster> yeah, backups got imported directly to Miraheze [19:58:04] never knew that [19:58:18] I have heard Orain be mentioned before though. [20:04:02] I have never had to make a edit on Miraheze, but I might wake up one day and go: Hey, I think I am going to improve an article. [20:05:51] lol [21:28:01] I think I have like 1.3k edits globally or something like that [21:31:14] i have 14k all being on one wiki [21:31:59] or 21.5k if you also count my old vanished account [21:33:17] [1/2] Lol once I get more free time I'll probably get to around that because I hope to maintain genshinimpact.miraheze.org and have info on all the characters [21:33:18] [2/2] I'm using DynamicPageList3 to list character abilities and stuff to speed things up and it's working pretty well [21:39:21] What’s dynamic page list 3? [21:39:29] An extension [21:40:39] It's an extension you can use to fetch information from pages that meet specific criteria [21:42:37] interesting [21:46:39] can u add me to the genshin wiki? [22:19:48] nice [22:19:59] I just recently hit 1k myself. [22:20:13] I probably would've had more by now if I didn't have long inactive periods. [22:20:24] But oh well, can't change the past. [22:51:45] pretty sure my edit count is on the relatively low side [22:52:01] 4k global with 2.5k on meta [23:41:42] Sure I'll do it once I'm on PC, I'm outside right now [23:44:10] new wikipedia page just dropped https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumblr_sexyman [23:44:12] why