[00:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> wtf is raku
[00:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to originalauthority> https://raku.org/
[01:09:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to originalauthority> Raku = Perl 6
[04:44:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pixldev> [1/2] > I have no idea how to make a wiki
[04:44:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pixldev> [2/2] Average wiki editor on any wiki platform tbh lol
[10:59:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> What intersing thing can you do with a wiki?b
[11:38:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> What is a wiki?
[11:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> :ThinkerMH:
[11:41:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asphellie_> :AkaShrug:
[11:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> My "H" key is broken on my keyboard (I used an on screen to do the "h" in this message
[12:04:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Ouch! You could use the ASCII code though
[12:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Mine is ALT+72, but is likely different for you 😄
[12:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I think I will ave to stick wit my on screen kb
[13:18:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cibryll, replying to rodejong> You mean like the ALT + numpad numbers?
[14:04:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to cibryll> Sorry for the late response, but yes
[14:47:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> jeez
[14:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <luna.nightfern> yikes
[15:21:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] Well well
[15:21:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227277299964051507/image0.jpg?ex=6627d20e&is=66155d0e&hm=834f037e1205d6d660a57eed0eac90fe203bf6943367bd58e2f82da189ac3f44&
[15:21:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> All bow to your new overlord
[16:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [1/3] left - unmistakable original
[16:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [2/3] right - pathetic clones (somehow wiki.gg manages to have less density than fandom)
[16:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227289627501662440/3b76193dae52d0c8.png?ex=6627dd89&is=66156889&hm=b2db0178b46ce43661000efc2dbe5b30a579ed135623a742dbc4bccd210feef3&
[16:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [1/2] oh god no what are you doing
[16:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227290095007043605/2fc483331952d41e.png?ex=6627ddf8&is=661568f8&hm=0d6c62a2ecbf1f9d692f5da31c799737e373d3a33e4484ba8955b277bf177045&
[16:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah yes, the diffs blocks
[16:24:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Theres a reason I want a imgui tool for working with wikis
[16:26:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> how this wiki handles lang versions?
[16:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> subpages w/ displaytitle, w/o Translation?
[16:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although I see Spanish main page is very different from English
[16:30:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and categories aren't well maintained
[16:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to felenov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227294686750834748/image.png?ex=6627e23f&is=66156d3f&hm=9c6b0c63516e90fe0132c4f50d6d8a5de930d99218ffc4a62b6d1c8441340ada&
[16:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> there goes my eyes
[16:31:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> This is why I love the Miraheze community
[16:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to felenov> I personally love all wiki communities :P
[16:33:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> if an ugly skin exists, the Miraheze discord will roastconstruictively judge the hell out of it
[16:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to felenov> [1/2] imo, personally, I like it more when a wiki is colorful
[16:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to felenov> [2/2] doesn't mean it that comes with its disadvantages of course, such as missing styles like in the case above
[16:34:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> between my wiki w/ Vector'ified Timeless and the other one w/ wiki.gg'fied old Vector, what's better?
[16:35:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> but a plain old default-themed wiki that is high quality in content is better than that same wiki, somewhere else, that is colorful but is lower quality in content
[16:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> gigantic wiki?
[16:36:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[16:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> I prefer  Vector 2010 with Monobook's waves and in white-on black
[16:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] tbh I like wiki.gg's custom vector theme, cuz it makes wikis look pretty imo
[16:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] but in your case, for the main page at least, I'd say yours is better
[16:38:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> cuz it looks like not only u put more work onto the css, but the main page is pretty custom yet higher quality than the gg version
[16:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [1/2] On one hand I want to help them on the other I will have nothing to make fun of
[16:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [2/2] sees oasis oh wait yea there is that
[16:40:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I like the prettyness of the wiki.gg theme, but the templates of the Miraheze verson
[16:41:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [1/2] The irony it's often faster to look up something via dnspy instead of using wikis for SE (plus there are a lot of undocumented features)
[16:41:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227297256772861982/dnSpy_2024-03-17_19-58-14.png?ex=6627e4a4&is=66156fa4&hm=93762e4c2ca81950b524a73c013e8594b2b377c0c77de8200afb6a8cb9718b03&
[16:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [1/2] Those guys figured their CSS out
[16:55:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227300973106692196/de7ea562c19ef49c.png?ex=6627e81a&is=6615731a&hm=45e630675cba759da4f29bd4013cf533ae4978c69fcf3d1dea1762d6e4fc076f&
[17:21:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Yeah the CSS done by wiki.gg staff is actually pretty neat
[17:35:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to felenov> My wiki's CSS is pretty plain compered to tat
[17:40:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to justleafy2003> so it's them doing all work, not admins?
[17:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I thought that some wikis are just lucky to have savvy admins lil
[17:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I wish my wiki had such good CSS
[17:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the wiki I tried to help consisted of blind kittens (idk how else to describe lol)
[17:42:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iputmypcinthefridge, replying to felenov> Dang that looks nice
[17:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> How can I get such a nice CSS?
[17:47:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> ,;f
[17:47:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> poke w/ inspector till blood vessels in your eyes pop
[17:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> /joke
[17:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> "Pay a freelancer with knowage of MediaWiki" seems a more likly way
[17:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you self host, then yeah
[17:49:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> more freedom at changing something that you can't on a farm
[17:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I think Wiki.GG would be a bad choice, 1 as far as I know, CC lisances are needed there. and B, I want full control
[17:52:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Huh, uh hey @agentisai can I dm ya for smt
[17:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to pixldev> sure
[17:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to pixldev> Is it about me?
[17:53:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh no
[17:53:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Your spared
[17:53:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Not really
[17:54:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] Not really. It depends, actually.
[17:54:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] Usually, new/original wikis are more like to have css set up by staff.
[17:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> rip forks
[17:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> (that wiki was a fork too yeah)
[18:03:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I really want pretty CSS now
[18:25:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I do not think WikiGG allows for "All Rights Reserved" wikis
[18:46:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hey software engineers finally show in the member list
[18:48:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> What  lisances does Wiki.gg even allow?
[18:56:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you won't like it on wiki.gg lol
[18:56:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it feels stiff as fandom
[19:05:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Really?
[19:06:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> They don’t allow local crats
[19:15:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to pixldev> That is very resiective, noticed they had a customizion policy as well and ads
[19:18:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It's a bit better than Fandom, in that the adverts are less obtrusive/generally for similar genres of game and such, as I understand it.
[19:18:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Imperfect, but a far sight better than a Best Buy add taking up 3/4ths of a page like Fandom without adblock
[19:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Can a meta admin update the sre volunteer page to update OS from software engineer to mediawiki engineer?
[19:28:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Also @rhinosf1 what’s your mh email? You said Samuel yesterday but on the sre page it says rhinosf1
[19:41:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Both work
[19:42:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Technically the official one is rhinosf1@
[19:42:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But for stuff where I have to deal with external important people on the record, I prefer my actual name
[19:43:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> So for SRE and for authorities
[19:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Loosely
[19:49:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> https://vxtwitter.com/AMadmanNotABox/status/1777695581931978863
[19:49:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also seen people talking about ads of fandom terraria wiki
[19:53:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> BRB need to make smt rq
[19:53:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1227345729367048273/image0.jpg?ex=662811c8&is=66159cc8&hm=92bb5c1306c1b53b1f88170652addb3fb65be0ef894eae266dddf7edceb3a40c&
[19:54:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <obviouslyoctus> why does disney+ have doctor who
[19:54:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> BBC branching out cos they're skint
[19:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> cos people like me don't pay the license fee heheh #criminal
[20:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to originalauthority> We never have that problem in Denmark. Everyone pays his license fee.
[20:13:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Or else they get no coffeee
[20:14:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lenbot7> wait i SWEAR docter who is owned by bbc
[20:16:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it is
[20:17:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lenbot7> i wonder how much disney had to pay for rights to stream it
[20:38:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] was considering putting in #volunteering but may be a bit off topic:
[20:38:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] To elevated permission holders(WCs are the main I guess, GR/Stewards/GS also count) what were ya thinking before making the RfP/seeing a nomination. Curious as to the outcome, nervous, or more confident in the results? I’m curious
[20:39:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> There is always that nervousness
[20:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You're being compared to others and standards.
[20:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> (At least that's how I felt)
[20:40:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Never strictly thought of it in the way of a comparison against others
[20:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> But I know what I am capable of, and so do you. You've been at it for quite a while, and you know the ropes already better than I do, regarding Meta for example
[20:41:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I wouldn't worry too much about it. I think you'll do fine
[20:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You just need one thing
[20:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] "Dedication" 
[20:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] I think that is the best asset one can bring. You learn the rest along the way.
[20:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Worry, overthinking, indecisiveness and anxiety are my natural states (╥_╥)
[20:45:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> You'll do fine. From what I see from you here on Discord and Meta...
[20:46:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> First time I RfPed for WC there was basically 1 WC doing them all and when they went inactive for a few weeks a couple times, I figured it was a non-tech role I could help out with. Plus I didn't want Miraheze to collapse. This was last fall.
[20:48:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> Second time I was nervous since I was re-requesting shortly after having resigned. But again, the queue had grown super large and I realized I had been too quick and realized I needed to slow down. But I wasn't sure how my RfP would be received. I think all responses were graceful and thoughtful.
[20:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> Also now we've grown the WC community so we've got others to bounce questions off of. Takes a lot of pressure off.
[20:50:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jph2> (Even though no one is ever applying pressure; you just realize you don't need to put it on yourself.)
[20:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> We are often our own worst enemies 😄
[20:51:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> "Fear of man" The fear of the opinion of others is often worse then reality
[20:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> As every high school drama may atest too
[20:59:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> @pixldev https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Dune_II
[21:00:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] ```While not the first real-time strategy (RTS) game (it was preceded by Herzog Zwei), Dune II established a format that would be followed for years to come, and is the first to use the mouse to move units, giving much fluid interaction [1]. As such, Dune II is the founder of the RTS genre in its modern form. Striking a balance between complexity and innovation, it was a huge succes
[21:00:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] s and laid the foundation for the coming Command and Conquer (which was nicknamed "Dune III" by some fans and detractors), the Warcraft series, and many other RTS games.```
[21:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> 1992 😄 30 years ago 😄 Remember it like yesterday
[21:04:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> This seems oddly familiar
[21:04:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[w:Dune II]]
[21:04:43] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II
[21:04:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II>
[21:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> deja vu
[21:05:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> :geezer:
[21:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> what da hail
[21:11:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Wait, they made a new movie of it? 😮
[21:14:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Dune? Yeah I believe so
[21:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_Part_Two
[21:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I hate remakes
[21:15:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(1984_film)
[21:16:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It was specked with huge names. Toto, Sting, Patrick Steward to name a few.
[21:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> (You probably don't even know them) 😄
[21:17:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ..Patrick Steward rings a bell
[21:18:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> Start Trek Next Generation
[21:18:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Captain Picard
[21:19:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I just watch anime and Netflix shows mainly [Bearerofthecurse](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1164188084754206731.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=Bearerofthecurse)
[21:21:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and doom scroll youthe
[21:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> never seen Star Trek
[21:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> I am a Sci-Fy geek. I love everything Star Trek
[21:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Seen all movies and all episodes of all the series
[21:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Even the fan made ones on YouTube 😄
[21:26:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Fan content can be awesome
[21:26:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The SCP community has great stuff
[21:27:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Full half hour movies
[21:27:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Animated trailers
[21:27:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> There’s some garbage and cash grabs yes
[21:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but the good ones though
[21:28:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Ironically I’m solid fantasy despite being a tech guy 😆
[21:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> dune is overrated /runs away/
[21:28:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I watched Lynch version yeah
[21:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's cool and beautiful and I liked the premise of "computers kicked our asses so hard we decided to never have computers again and instead mutate under drugs"
[21:29:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but the rest of it - didn't felt any attachment
[21:30:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> I do like some Sci Fi though, the book I just read recently, the Arc of Sycthe Trilogy, is futuristic sci fi. But not like star trek or star wars or any or space thing
[21:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not feeling like checking the book either, especially knowing how fucked was the author
[21:31:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> o
[21:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> both modern sci-fi and fantasy are falling into, how my friend calls it, gribble "aestethic"
[21:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> shit's boring for the sake of realism or whatever
[21:38:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] I agree. I love the Sci-fy of the 80's and 90's
[21:38:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] I don't get why they have to make remakes
[21:40:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> 💰
[21:42:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to pixldev> Sure, but it can (almost) never be better than the original.
[22:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to pixldev> I tend to only go for it when I am very sure of my position tbh
[22:15:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> ie if I think a request is problematic I rather avoid until that is a minimal estimate
[22:37:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <candlesign.4539, replying to rodejong> The sci-fi geeks I know all hate it, they never got over the fact they got this Dune instead of Jodorowsky's which had even huger names haha.
[23:07:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> This makes me FURIOUS!
[23:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> the disrespect!
[23:09:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to originalauthority> drop him from the database