[00:00:47] https://en.uncyclopedia.co and/or https://uncyclopedia.com [00:01:01] no like whats the point of it [00:01:28] is it just wikipedia but bad lol [00:01:39] It's intended to parody Wikipedia [00:01:55] highest profile parody of its kind that I know of [00:06:48] Its WikIpEdia [00:11:13] Go ahead and add stuff to the wiki - I generally am hands-off about general scope [00:21:49] Understood. [00:25:46] 💤 + 🛏️ = 🛌🏻 [00:31:30] I know someone who got banned from a server then joined the server on an alt and applied for and became admin 😂 [00:34:08] With bad intentions i assume? [00:48:16] Not really [00:48:16] Just for the lols [00:48:28] They didn't do anything bad to the server besides making a webhook and using it to ping everyone [00:48:50] Server staff somehow never figured out that they did that [01:01:32] be quick or be dead [01:07:02] the thing that any ED user says after they did the most crazy and ilegal thing in the world [01:28:30] lol true [03:05:50] pixidev what ya' eating for dinner? [03:45:23] [1/2] literally my test wiki's localSettings.php [03:45:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229276354604695582/Screenshot_20240415_104439_Chrome.png?ex=662f17d1&is=661ca2d1&hm=35af2ed2a3543b8711dd5bb3030399bd2257d4850328c96a11cdc29941a32aaf& [03:51:18] So clean and simple compared to ours [04:35:21] [1/2] bruh GitHub has declared me a spambot again [04:35:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229288933481906330/image.png?ex=662f2388&is=661cae88&hm=29b6477642e087fc0b02fc651257e0c24063f438b94d7580eabd55f9daf91431& [04:35:29] I'll go send an appeal [04:35:31] This is annoying [07:20:30] Just got online. Your question should have been answered by that_lurker@IRC :EpicFaceMH: [08:52:58] [1/2] twitter is really only getting worse and worse [08:52:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229353765518315520/image.png?ex=662f5fe9&is=661ceae9&hm=71c0744b04eb15cf498e5d096eac1bcec0e82255919322a859aa17f52f266a61& [08:57:27] I have been offline from social media for the last couple of months. Really, that is so nice to not be stressed by not missing anything [11:43:57] gitlab: hi [14:14:20] What mistakes do you think people often make when they set up their wikis? [14:16:47] aside from obvious one like importaing from wikipedia [14:17:21] jumpimg into article making w/o guidelines? [14:17:39] I can't remember really glaring ones [14:22:34] I feel that category layouts for large wikis have to be decided early as to avoid pain. Templates should also be finalized eray [14:23:18] absolutely [14:23:55] but large wikis that aren't forks are pretty rare [14:24:23] usually forked large wiki has to fix up everything in the process [14:26:01] The templates are a pain to update if you wanted to update how they are called as it needs AWB or simlar tools to do the edits, hand doing it is a pain [14:26:27] Would having like 3830 red links count as a mistake? 😅 [14:26:46] I did that once when I changed my templates from using pram|pram2 so on to Pram1 = pram1 [14:27:10] It was a nightmare to hand redo all my templates on my entire wiki [14:27:51] How did you end up with 3830 red links? [14:33:23] [1/3] Lots of stuff I haven't gotten around to~ [14:33:23] [2/3] World-building can get a bit out of hand at times, I guess 😓 [14:33:24] [3/3] I had notes on the discussion boards for some pages I wanted to make at some point, but then stuff happened and the discussion boards ended up disabled and now I can't get to the notes-- [14:35:57] How big is your wiki p[ages wise [14:37:15] [1/2] 1 705. [14:37:16] [2/2] I don't use images though. Except maybe avatars, I guess. [14:37:37] My wiki is 900 pages [14:37:53] Are your pages long or short normally? [14:39:09] I have #198 wanted pages, but I tend to keep an handle on what pages are being made [14:39:17] A majority of them are under 2000 bytes, it's just like 418 that are 2000 bytes or larger. [14:39:27] Wiki link? [14:39:39] I have tools that can word count a wiki [14:40:22] https://xyrinfe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [14:41:11] Where is the worldbuilding parts?# [14:42:17] My wiki's pages tend towards 12-13k bybes to 21k-23k bytes [14:43:09] [1/2] All over the place? 😅 [14:43:10] [2/2] Mostly stuff related to the Xyrinfe multiverse though. [14:44:38] Think a majority of the pages were. Like. Preemptively created for when I (or my girlfriends) felt like working on those, too-- [14:44:50] Ah, good idea [14:49:33] [1/2] This the XML of your wiki if you want a personal blackup [14:49:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229443503713681408/XyrinfeXOverWiki-20240415144906.xml?ex=662fb37d&is=661d3e7d&hm=fa8b843610afe119df2f179fe31ef5e6da1dc3fdf9b63f19743e53905f1bb2d2& [14:52:13] @cibryll Your wiki has 767,043 words [15:23:19] Yup! Also side note, after a few hours I noticed the logs just stop updating on the dashboard and thought it broke but checking now seems it did upload(:Partyheze:) do you know if that’s normal behavior? [15:52:36] [1/2] During the `--images` download phase, logs will be printed every ~1.5 seconds. But the log of this job is very abnormal. maybe a buffer related issue. [15:52:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229459370522316894/image.png?ex=662fc244&is=661d4d44&hm=2f262ad7f3d95a8ae36f2b41ca2fa3a1b9e4d0150bb91c9dc9642d65c5b760c9& [15:58:52] IIRC @digitaldragon has fixed this issue before? [16:05:28] Yeah for hours on end nothing showed In logs it was weird [16:05:40] Then I saw this type of log for a bit but when I refreshed it was gone [16:07:23] Job cc050d98-ce09-4ac7-bb8b-656e96860d51 also seems to be doi g the same [16:07:26] Aka nothing [16:11:00] [1/2] ahh, yeah, even worse. Logs were blocked for 10 minutes. [16:11:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229464000534806628/image.png?ex=662fc694&is=661d5194&hm=63b97d34283595088e5d3ab8566dcedb5bb62ac3971a20520dbd13afe173e9bd& [16:14:21] Really? To me it looked like many hours on end [16:17:56] The wikidex job has been up since before epicduel and I don’t think I’ve seen any logs from it expect maybe once [16:18:04] Maybe a website issue [16:23:41] I haven't looked at the dashboard code and don't know much about how it works. Yeah, this screenshot was taken from the backend. [16:25:11] Weird. Does the wikidex job on the dashboard have any logs in the backend? [16:29:39] [1/2] still blocked, Let me see if a lot of logs will appear after 30s. [16:29:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229468693075984384/image.png?ex=662fcaf2&is=661d55f2&hm=1c0740f79057f3a8b2cdcfdf7ae492f7777ea91de673bb81af4242608b1424c9& [16:30:28] Issue caused by just large wikis maybe? [16:31:42] [1/2] indeed [16:31:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229469210443518082/image.png?ex=662fcb6e&is=661d566e&hm=49bb8a8bd0ce3473896c8ac74919ae7b23fe902137b018b73f7a7fc2d6c187e8& [16:33:10] Still nothing on dashboard [16:33:16] https://wikibot.digitaldragon.dev [17:06:38] Applied the config change but box hasnt been rebooted yet [17:08:08] Ah [17:09:26] Wikidex has a delay of 120 seconds [17:09:34] that's why it's slow [17:10:35] How would one host a staic site on one server and a pair of wikis on another? [17:11:16] is there another job that I need to look at? [17:11:34] I can also turn down the delay on cc050d98-ce09-4ac7-bb8b-656e96860d51 if it isn't meant to be so long [17:13:59] I think wikidex is the only one currently running. Epicduels finished fine. I don’t know the logistics of what you guys have made obviously but if there’s no other jobs and Epic finished fine on a 1.5 delay I don’t see why 120 couldn’t be bumped down to complete within this century [17:14:10] My 2¢ [17:16:45] Yeah, the delay is mostly so we don't overwhelm sites, the bot will happily churn through a bunch of wikis at 0 delay [17:17:57] but there might be some kind of ratelimit or cloudflare that requires it [17:18:29] Yeah don’t want a download to turn into a DDoS [17:19:34] What is this? [17:20:13] (I think we ran through a few thousand Miraheze wikis in a couple days when the shutdown rfc was open) [17:20:52] Smart, thanks for that [17:21:42] Btw does the bot exclude templates by default? Asking so I know if I need to go back and grab them myself [17:21:42] What is the bot doing? [17:22:02] It makes backup dumps of wikis and uploads them to archive.org [17:24:16] Very cool pixl approved [17:25:16] Wait I have a comedic approval image somewhere [17:25:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229482819097723000/728fgd.jpg?ex=662fd81a&is=661d631a&hm=70dc8d062d69989c94d5eac7a6a0e3747a80cda9d59252c37d144e8144a824bc& [17:26:01] This is so old but still kinda funny to me lol [17:26:10] nice lol [17:26:15] But yes definitely a useful tool [17:27:04] Not having the time to help people make dumps for migration has been an issue sometimes before so if it comes up again I’ll head on over to hackint lol [17:28:03] If it only archives mainspace I’ll just have to go an use special export on template and project space they’re probably small so it’s not nearly as much of an issue [17:29:32] Should grab everything [17:29:37] Hm [17:29:46] I haven’t looked at the dump xml yet [17:30:06] But I did see in the config.json on a.org [17:30:13] Wait [17:30:20] I may have miss read [17:30:22] Oh I’m dumb [17:30:40] namespaces key 0 is “all” I thought the 0 meant namespace 0 [17:31:57] ah yeah [17:32:14] Wait [17:32:14] Huh [17:32:18] Namespaces is “all” [17:32:25] But templates is false [17:32:45] Now I’m just getting my wires crossed [17:33:16] it grabs all namespaces by default. On a local install you can override this and tell it what to download but not on the bot [17:33:49] [1/2] hmm logs show it grabbing templates, config option might mean something else [17:33:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229484842350284891/IMG_3118.png?ex=662fd9fd&is=661d64fd&hm=a5e4d3968d206ed81911edba4cda8b32a99d91c9f8ead7dded07169d65a0e342& [17:33:51] Makes my life easier [17:34:28] When I was looking at logs for a sec I thought it was only getting current but no the wiki just has a lot of single edit pages ig [17:35:34] Now all I need to do is do a quick verification of the dump integrity and make a take for one of our wonderful tech folks to import [17:36:13] Thanks for maintaining and helping with this Digital:) [17:36:43] [1/5] The way `--xmlrevisions` works is it grabs edits in order over the whole wiki, so if there are at least 50 edits between the same page being edited twice it won't group them together, and instead will show something like [17:36:43] [2/5] ```Example Page, 1 edit [17:36:43] [3/5] blah blah other pages [17:36:44] [4/5] Delay 1.5s. [17:36:44] [5/5] Example Page, 1 edit``` [17:37:08] Ooooooooh [17:37:15] https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943 [17:41:21] Or if you have a page like the tech log that gets edited >50x in a row the logs will show it in blocks of 50 edits since that's the number of revisions it requests at once [17:42:00] [1/2] https://github.com/Eytirth/MediaWikiTools [17:42:00] [2/2] Could these be useful to anybody and therefore go on dev wiki? [17:47:46] if it's helpful for running migrations here I can patch up wikibot's discord interface [17:58:34] I’m not a discord admin here but I think that could be beneficial. @Discord Administrators? [18:00:41] To prevent users from spamming it we could lock it to only the mediawiki trusted support role like how the IRC one needs voice [18:14:29] •db141 flashbacks• [18:28:43] oh no what happened :nervousSweat: [18:29:37] A whole database crashed and went down for a month [18:29:43] Oh yeah [18:29:52] I wasn’t part of the community back then I think [18:30:08] fun! D: [18:30:10] I’ve obviously heard of it [18:30:23] There’s an archived page in the tech namespace for recovery I think [18:31:12] There was nothing fun about it. Like it was insanely close to there being actual major dataloss [18:31:46] I can’t recall, was db141 the server that held the global databases as well? [18:32:29] I remember during the end of the WikiTide merger one of our old servers finally gave out and stopped accepting connections, and it held mh global and meta [18:32:57] I remember their global user table being out of sync with the old wikis, but I dunno about the global databases 🤔 [18:33:05] At which point SRE went “welp so much for no downtime” and just directly copied the database over to the new servers [18:33:26] I know now a days they on Cluster 2? [18:33:34] 142 decided to die during merger iirc [18:33:54] Wait, so db142 died--? [18:33:56] I still don’t know why mirabeta and the production global tables are on the same cluster [18:34:00] 141 wasn't global, only a portion of wikis went down, the rest worked [18:34:03] well [18:34:06] It randomly shut down [18:34:07] Reboot [18:34:18] And became a stubborn child who wouldn’t accept connections [18:34:37] So SRE had to bite the bullet and copy the data from the old server to the new ones [18:34:49] earlier than intented [18:34:56] Perfect timing if we weren’t merging we’d be fucked probably [18:35:01] WD Green <3 [18:35:19] db141 was the actual disc itself dieing though, not just refusing connection [18:35:27] Yeah [18:36:02] Huh both of them were on cloud14 [18:36:14] then data center fucked up too lol [18:36:24] it was very stressful [18:36:44] It was a cluster fuck. And makes me even prouder to see where the farm is today [18:37:00] AND backup routines were shaky at best, basically non-existant as well at the time [18:37:01] Peak of speed, using 25% CPU capacity iirc [18:37:07] Yeah sounds like pain either way, but not as bad when there is another server lined up already [18:37:19] And one of the most active Wiki Creators teams in a long while [18:37:28] 12 of them now including steward [18:37:45] We are nothing if not underdogs [18:38:23] But yeah it was stressful pre merge [18:38:37] Definitely not no. If anything it spread the process up [18:38:51] The plan was to replicate over with no or very little downtime [18:38:57] outage-induced motivation [18:39:02] Yup [18:39:32] If then merge didn’t happen Miraheze would have absolutely exploded lmao those servers sucked so bad [18:39:59] a:thisisfinefire: [18:40:02] It took minutes to use shell to make an edit to a text file I think ☠️ [18:40:39] those poor servers lol [18:41:10] You have no idea [18:41:14] [1/2] https://github.com/Eytirth/MediaWikiTools [18:41:14] [2/2] Could these be useful to anybody and therefore go on dev wiki? [18:41:28] I want to share my tools as they may be handy [18:41:29] I don’t know depends on usecade [18:41:36]