[00:49:04] haha, I've racked my brains but I don't know how best to translate "As a democracy" on the main page into Chinese, "As a democratic regime"? or "As a democratic community (website)"?:moonch: [01:01:54] Sadly, having zero knowledge of Chinese, I'm at a loss. But if I had to choose, I'd go with "as a democratic community" [01:04:08] It probably might matter in regard to context. In which case "democratic regime" might be more appropriate. [01:10:11] There is a reason the machine translations are so amusing [01:11:22] AI is simply machine translations trying to be comedians in different languages [01:12:00] If you been to Shenkou ferry terminal 2021-2023 there was a sign in the fire exit "slippers will be falling through the stair" [01:15:01] frankly, i give credit to efforts like that to try to communicate more than some single language places that are just "f u" if you don't speak thus. [01:17:23] I actually lived and worked in Shenzhen as a CCTV operator. I really cared about the electronics markets [01:18:55] I had a short contract, but after it ran out, I decided that it was not worth extending it, considering what I have seen. [01:21:31] https://iv.datura.network/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg if you have not seen it, a good channel [02:04:17] [1/2] is anyone else reminded of naleksuh by this comment [02:04:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229613306122207372/image.png?ex=663051a1&is=661ddca1&hm=947dfdf20b237ce985357ecb28e4843dce44d5a04690b73b12a0161f961439d0& [02:04:23] "personal boys' club" [02:04:58] Never met him so [02:06:00] 100% [02:06:06] I've had at least 6 people comment that [02:06:16] Oh wow [02:06:24] I'd sure hope he's not evading his community ban [02:06:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_ban_for_Naleksuh <-- this explains it [02:06:32] Yea same [02:06:34] I doubt he would [02:06:44] I'm sorry [02:06:51] WHO THE HELL IS THIS MAN [02:06:56] He never struck me as that kind of person but it's kinda surprising how much overlap there is [02:06:57] ASH KETCHUM AGENT [02:06:58] he split Miraheze in two [02:06:58] Just read the link [02:07:01] Yea [02:07:12] heh yeah, I've had various past pfps [02:07:22] Isn't that Raidarr [02:07:26] I don't know a good way to put it and I don't want to be rude but he was the most obnoxious and disruptive good faith user that has ever been on Miraheze and it is frankly shocking that he was allowed to be on for so long [02:07:28] Uh no [02:07:34] I've never seen you change it iirc [02:07:35] Raidarr was just blamed for things he didn't do [02:07:38] I change mine a bit [02:07:38] Naleksuh was like [02:07:39] Nale gamed the system and got Raidarr banned [02:07:46] Wait what [02:07:56] Yea [02:07:58] I know Raidarr didn't do anything wrong obvi [02:08:16] I didn't know nale was involved in that thoguh [02:08:30] You can't put into words exactly what he did but he was so incredibly arrogant and disruptive and it felt like he probably didn't read anything he received either [02:08:33] I though he was global banner before that [02:08:56] It's been so fragmented over different communication channels so it's hard to point to specific events [02:09:27] why is bro so flushed 😳 [02:09:41] [1/2] so Raidarr called Nale out for his hostility and Raidarr linked to Nale's WMF profile which apperently was a GDPR issue and then Raidarr refused to oversight that because he didn't think it was bad so that prompted Nale to ask T&S to investigate Raidarr and in the course of that, it was discovered that Raidarr had made some vague CheckUser entries years ago so Raidarr was admonishe [02:09:42] [2/2] d and T&S imposed an IBAN between Raidarr and Nale. Raidarr resigned as Steward and commented on Nale's global ban RfC which was enough to break the IBAN and get Raidarr nuked off the map [02:10:20] [1/4] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1086459228543275119 [02:10:20] [2/4] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1086462651548319814 [02:10:20] [3/4] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1068414500379824128 [02:10:21] [4/4] Here are some convos on Discord with Nale that summarize it I guess [02:10:26] Yea [02:11:36] Huh [02:13:26] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1115771986698842202 [02:13:27] bad times [02:14:22] [1/2] Naleksuh had a long standing thing that he thought it was doxxing and outing to mention someone's account on another website even if the connection is obviously intended and publicly known, for example he started an edit war on [[Miraheze Volunteers]] because someone had mentioned raidarr's Discord account was called raidarr with consent from raidarr, Naleksuh [02:14:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Volunteers [02:14:22] [2/2] thought adding that was doxxing. And then he extended that to himself, when people brought up Naleksuh's behavior on the WMF projects (his name on the WMF projects was literally "Naleksuh"), Naleksuh claimed that was doxxing or outing or whatever and emailed ts@ and stewards@ to report it [02:14:23]

[02:15:07] not june 2023 😨 [02:15:07] que [02:16:12] It is kinda shocking how long ago it was [02:16:29] I was looking at some of my old edits on dev.miraheze.org and it said "11 months ago" and "1 year ago" and I was like wow time flies [02:16:51] true [02:17:08] i was looking at old 2021 messages and realized that's 3 years ago now [02:17:33] I forgot everything from 2021 so I'm not too surprised by that because I just don't remember [02:17:48] I have really bad long term memory [02:18:55] this logic really doesn't make sense [02:19:35] [1/2] Yes. "As a democracy" will be translated by the machine translator as "as a democratic country". [02:19:35] [2/2] Country of Miraheze [02:20:26] polandball lol [02:25:00] "Polandball" is sometimes translated into "Polish football" by machine translators😂. [02:25:11] lol [02:25:37] @koreirose thanks for the bit of clerking on phorge [02:25:47] np [02:36:23] first time i've logged into my original phorge account since 2019 [02:36:34] wowi [02:36:42] still has my old alias that i don't use anymore tho :( [02:36:46] and i can't change it [02:47:10] Speaking of Nalekush, are we going to get Sparkle on MH? [02:54:15] I like twinkle and I think a lot of the features should be standard in mediawiki but it's far from perfect [03:44:56] I luv IRC [03:51:46] I think I need someone to tell me exactly what "As a democracy" on the main page means, lol. [04:09:09] https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Miraheze lol interesting review from ED [04:10:50] lmaoo 💀 https://medium.com/@slated856/miraheze-reception-wikis-the-next-safe-space-for-anti-sjws-f698e8f9ebc I found this by googling "miraheze" [04:13:08] :Thonk: [04:13:57] don't give me memories about the Offended page [04:14:11] that shit is awful [04:15:14] they have the most negative review for everything lol [04:15:46] LMAO [04:15:49] I JUST LOOKED AT THAT PAGE [04:16:59] omfg its so long [04:17:02] https://screamer.wiki/Offended [04:17:07] how do people even find this much gore [04:17:31] the only way to go down there is disabling the rendering of photos in your browser [04:21:10] ED is hilarious [04:23:14] no [04:23:18] Yes [04:23:25] Oh I'm not saying they're RIGHT about anything [04:23:28] But it's still funny [04:23:32] I have asperger [04:26:16] they hate asperger [04:26:38] Again it being funny doesn't mean it's right [04:27:42] ok... [04:27:58] the legit humor vs being terrible to other humans ratio isn't always great over there, this is also true. [04:28:10] But not to say there aren't a few gems in the rough. [04:29:25] [1/2] ED massacred: [04:29:25] [2/2] https://screamer.wiki/images/4/42/Limecat.jpg [04:43:29] [1/2] @raidarr you're on Encyclopedia Dramatica https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Reception_wikis [04:43:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229653368021192755/image.png?ex=663076f0&is=661e01f0&hm=36912292ad24a1cf9a2eda7158900aa3ab439de60017d062a7bfd2c3916e341d& [04:43:52] dota2 wiki forked to ... liquipedia? [04:43:58] whatever is that [04:44:22] if it's better than fandom then good for them [04:50:01] using the f slur :dviperClown: [09:05:17] [1/2] In other news.. [09:05:18] [2/2] "Børsen" in Copenhagen - the Trade center building of almost 400 years is burning down to the ground 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 [09:06:02] been there since forever [09:06:13] note how the writer couldn't find anything actually bad to say about me [09:06:23] I know exactly who it was too [09:12:52] [1/2] two interesting notes I'll add to agent's summary; if you read the email (there's an essay on my userspace with the whole thing) it wasn't even a clear cut iban, tell me where any sort of ban was mentioned in the cards tbh; second, I had not commented on the rfc itself, I was after a particularly unsightly comment through discord posted by someone on that rfc bec [09:12:53] [2/2] ause even at that point I thought the straight up insults were highly inappropriate [12:01:55] miraheze reputation 2018-2020 be like [12:31:19] good morning guys [15:12:13] I wonder if the xz-utils guy would've sold the backdoor to a 0-day broker like Zerodium [15:12:38] Bc like [15:12:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229811709397434488/zerodium_prices.png?ex=66310a68&is=661e9568&hm=99232ec85eab2d1c2a9e3004152bd45d533d54c3b71d9b883a323812125e03c2& [15:12:59] You can get up to a million dollars for zero-click RC [15:13:12] Probably even more than he could've made just exploiting the vuln himself [15:13:29] + he could've sold it to a zero day broker then kept exploiting it himself as well [15:14:47] Are they black hats? [15:15:08] Christ [15:17:22] Zerodium? [15:17:24] Yes and no [15:17:27] Black hats morally [15:17:30] More of a gray area legally [15:17:42] Does that mean they will try hack me? [15:17:45] no [15:17:56] Zerodium only really targets whoever governments want to target [15:17:56] https://rsf.org/en/news/rsf-unveils-202020-list-press-freedoms-digital-predators [15:18:10] Woul they ever target me? [15:18:26] Not unless you're a journalist in the UAE or Russia or China or something [15:18:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1229813211805519984/image.png?ex=66310bce&is=661e96ce&hm=88b48ca2f84b1918585798b0ca44fad7b29133c4956200d3c45090ac850d02ef& [15:30:44] My website is only worldbuilding so I do not think it will be targeted by govs/the corps [15:34:26] i know [15:35:39] Do the zero days get patched [15:37:20] Yes [15:37:23] All the time [15:37:33] Like multiple times a day zero days get fixed [15:38:20] I am worried about my server being hacked now [15:42:15] Don't worry about it too much [15:45:15] I think the chance of my site being hacked is one in a few million (at lest by govs), and anyway, I am sure many of the zero days they find get fixed [15:50:14] [1/2] @rodejong [15:50:15] [2/2] Apologize for the ping, Is your question on [Requests for Comment/Username and User Account Policies](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Username_and_User_Account_Policies) in the wrong place? [15:53:31] No it wasn't. There was a part of this policy removed. [16:21:00] But User Accounts Policy doesn't have Existing accounts section, Username Policy does. [16:33:47] Aaaah.. Now I see what you mean [16:34:10] _is 🤦🏻‍♂️_ [16:49:33] moved 🙂 [17:02:47] I was thinking, should I use templates on a "place index by landmass" or not? [17:05:42] https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/DRUID_infoboxes 🤔 [17:07:00] What da hail [17:07:02] [1/2] > If DRUID infobox doesn't support something you want to do, you can edit the underlying Lua code yourself [17:07:03] [2/2] lol [17:08:11] So what's the gimmick? [17:08:57] I prefer HTML based infoboxes [17:08:57] it claims to be easier alternatice to PI but is it [17:09:31] it claims to be easier alternative to PI but it's Wikipedia infoboxes w/ cooler name? maybe few modules? [17:09:34] I dunno [17:09:43] [1/2] > Portable Infoboxes (PIs) are not very performant, and if the extension doesn't support something that you want to do, too bad, you can't do it. [17:09:44] [2/2] Um sir that’s how programs work they need to be coded to do stuff [17:10:37] You could also A; grovel at CA’s feet asking for a new feature while begging for mercy or B; learn PHP and make a PR or C: ask someone else to make a or [17:11:20] If the answer is 'here, code it yourself' it has no niche [17:12:19] it's 1 module, 1 css page and 1 js page [17:14:18] although they recommend add css/js to Common pages [17:14:31] I use custom coded simple HTML infoboxes that have no other parts needed [17:15:09] less dependencies than wp boxes is sure better [17:15:20] but I'd argue that PI is harder than this [17:15:52] especially when it offers visual builder and for some wikis basic asf infobox might be enough [17:16:21] for beginners [17:16:56] beginners then grow into experienced and if they really wanna they can dive into hardcore table coding lol [17:18:34] My place template does need "hidden end" and "hidden start" templates [17:20:39] Yeah they're essentially just wikitext infoboxes written in lua 😭 [17:20:59] More complexity. I think its just a gimmick to say "hey look what we made" [17:21:20] PIs can handle 99% of what people would want to so so I don't see the issue personally [17:23:01] Exactly. I rather use normal coding from the 2000's [17:23:19] maybe some cargo/array dependent wikis over there will love it [17:23:25] Most that was then used, still works the samen as these modules [17:23:44] Modules are useful for more complex things [17:24:12] I wonder if PI supports cargo, i knkw it supports Smw [17:24:40] I swear I've seen some Fandom wikis using Cargo? [17:24:48] I personally find Lua easier to use for more complex templates [17:24:49] or those were former Gamepedis wikis? [17:26:09] SPcodex seem to use Lua for infoboxes [17:26:18] it relies on cargo heavily [17:33:39] yes for historically gp wikis [17:33:42] they don't enable it for new wikis [17:33:44] nor smw [17:43:06] What are your thoughts on my like for HTML only templates? 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