[01:29:24] we are all in the same boat now [01:34:26] [1/2] This is a question I have, a prompt I'd like to set forth before the community as there have been concerns raised both in my revocation thread and elsewhere, given....recent events. What would you say your current opinions are regarding the Board's recent actions, as a broad generalization? [01:34:26] [2/2] Not meant to single anyone out/take shots at people, so please don't, but please provide your thoughts. I'm curious. [01:45:39] I'm not gonna say too much since I believe there's more to this story the board will reveal through something or other. I think the rebrand was done with the benefit of the community in mind. To restate what I said before, it was both for the community['s benefit] and for the community [on its behalf]. In my opinion there should have been more [01:45:39] democracy to it, though some board members I have talked to privately have raised some good points imho. [01:47:36] Anyways @rhinosf1 https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AU7VT6cb6snAnmqnK_qT thoughts? :smile: [01:49:02] Also why does my brain go straight to CentralAuth with this https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AU7VT6cb6snAnmqnK_qT [02:03:03] Well would ya look at that random quip https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AWlURNlefM03vZ1oEumF that guy looks familiar :) (also *cough* agent) [03:37:49] https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AU7VVZBN6snAnmqnK_w7 the great intelligence of the internet [03:38:52] ikr everyone mediawicci is only on the apple app store [03:39:04] also we should definitely host our own instance of https://github.com/bd808/quips [03:39:16] Rhinos proposed that today [03:39:16] or someone here should, just to add some really memorable moments from the server [03:39:21] Yeah I know [03:39:29] & from miraheze spaces in general [03:39:56] There's a discord bot I know that works kinda like it sending images of quotes to one channel [03:40:45] But I would like to self host. We definitely have the resources, but I think everyone with shell access has much better things to do. [03:41:13] So the alternative would be a community member hosting it themselves [03:41:17] I mean it's not really a good use of Miraheze resources because the IRS forms say that resources and assets are exclusively used for Miraheze's mission [03:41:27] I don't have a VPS or domain name so I can't host it myself unfortunately [03:41:47] What do you mean it's extreamly important [03:42:20] We are a volunteer run farm you telling me we can't put a bit of RAM towards morale? [03:43:21] I have a VPS prepaid until December(and will likely extend it) but I've never hosted a production facing website. I would like to learn though and this is no risk cause no private data [03:44:32] The only thing I don't have it sanity and a domain name. Luckily the former is a recommendation not a prerequisite so the only issue is the domain. [03:44:54] and that's an easy fix for no cost for me [03:46:19] GitHub gives me three differernt domains for free for a year(a .tech, .me and .live). There's also that site that provides free subdomains [03:49:18] Tomorrow i'll talk with some people in the community if there would be interest in this, maybe talk with the tech guys and give setting it up on my own server a shot and a half [03:50:12] if it don't combust I can slap on a domain using cloudflare as a proxy ~~and forget to enact any and all security practices for production websites~~ [03:52:14] [1/2] AI is fun [03:52:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231452408861950073/image.png?ex=6637026d&is=66248d6d&hm=c345f3152f0024e047e58941e390cfbb4202fd63a497b30ffbcba542e44e18b6& [03:52:41] don't worry it'll be a fun thing to talk about if it gets hacked [03:53:05] Oh totally [03:53:18] And now im PixDeVl33 web libera is silly [03:53:21] ANyways [03:53:54] I own a Discord server that gives everyone mod rights automatically on join and the most interesting topics are always what weird bots someone put in the server or channels they made or deleted [03:53:57] To my recollection the only thing I have on that server rn is a discord bot i coded that adds some funny commands [03:54:05] Lol that's cool [03:54:10] thats sounds hilarious [03:54:17] So if your website gets hacked it'll be fun to talk about what the hackers did [03:54:20] Real [03:54:46] I did also spend waaaaaaay too long setting up Grafana because i want my server to feel like Miraheze-senpai [03:55:00] (this is ironic i promise dont ban me for cringe) [03:55:39] ミラへぜーせんぱい [03:55:46] if it can be written in kana it must be done [03:55:49] yo no halbo japones [03:55:57] Lol [03:56:01] I don't speak very much Japanese either [03:56:07] It's just "Miraheze-senpai" in Japanese [03:57:00] but yeah all its doing rn is funny bot that makes those hand pat gifs from user profiles and images [03:57:08] its rough and incomplete as fuck [03:57:19] lol i see [03:57:55] my current excuse is I'm waiting for my library to add support for discord's new user installed apps [03:58:10] Since to be able to make the gif anywhere is pretty cool [03:58:32] you can just copy and paste [03:59:24] pixdevl 93 [03:59:28] but yeah quibs may be pretty funny and I could customize it a little bit as my basic ass PHP knowledge allows [03:59:37] Hm? [03:59:56] just pointing out the "93" being added lol [04:00:09] a [04:00:43] I got kicked and reconnected but Libera still thought I was connected until it timed out 250 seconds late [04:00:48] so the name was used [04:01:19] irc moment [04:01:47] I've registered the name so I prob could have booted the other one idk [04:01:49] so true [04:01:56] Oh yeah I've had things like that happen all the time on IRC [04:02:02] Never understood why they happen nor cared to fix it [04:02:04] but i like using it sometimes [04:02:17] i could use irc but i don't bother [04:02:20] mainly when im too tired to reach for my phone at night [04:02:21] discord is a lot easier to use [04:02:33] or cause i forgot to charge it [04:03:07] I have Discordon both phone and laptop personally [04:12:45] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4cv1b6w8aQ [04:19:31] TIL #wikimedia-kawaii is a thing here on Libera [04:24:08] whats in that chanenl [04:24:25] no activity rn [04:24:32] what's the history of it like [04:24:50] It's IRC [04:25:18] Yeah I know [04:25:22] The topic is [04:25:23] But they have a history bot [04:25:23] ⓘ Have a kawaii day (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟﾟﾟﾟﾟﾟ✧ — Welcome to this quiet channel, where we post random selections from sites like /r/aww zooborns.com tumblr.com/tagged/kawaii-animals supercutekawaii.com dailypuppy.com etc, and squee at them! — Rulez: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-kawaii-lolcat.png [04:25:24] ʕ•͡ᴗ•ʔ [04:25:39] now good night i mean morning [04:26:07] gn [06:17:21] [1/5] I think, if you really have that attitude, you should think about changing that. [06:17:21] [2/5] We have to be sensible in our choices. Are RfF, RfC and other Community requests really necessary. Most of them you've made have been closed before they really got started. [06:17:21] [3/5] Just use [[Community portal]] and open a topic. See what the response is. If it's encouraged, then open the RfC or RfF. [06:17:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal [06:17:22] [4/5] The reason I say this, is that you won't get so much backlash. Your ideas are often well meant, but not productive. [06:17:22] [5/5] But you are really appreciated on what you do on Development Wiki, and your help on the support threads. This community is about helping each other. [06:17:22]

[06:18:02] [1/2] I am now a perfectionist. [06:18:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231489103812628540/76af5154b73c6bfc.png?ex=6626011a&is=6624af9a&hm=57a0ed36808860289b47b43fc648bf481ff578f5812639e080f7787dccf4a545& [06:18:34] I have made very few RfCs [06:18:47] Also I was talking about a wiki and mostly joking [06:24:32] Sure that sounds fun! 👀 you can dm me the details [06:25:20] It should immediately reject for what it's worth [06:26:57] Unrelated but add something to the theme designer that informs and warns you if the color scheme you've chosen is low contrast [06:27:20] - in database name so can't be created anyway [06:27:59] But all server names, some common stuff, all our non wiki subdomains are blocked [06:33:53] How big a margin does Verstappen win? 30sec? 👀 [06:35:01] I'll say 40 [06:35:25] I'm going to turn on for the race, no build up today [06:35:44] [1/2] Look what gem I saw get posted on IRC today [06:35:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231493557353713725/076818a4b70a2658.png?ex=663728c0&is=6624b3c0&hm=0796caba8cc9d9faab17da7bf848977b8ddeba4f834657a23b854bb671fdb19b& [06:35:55] No buildup? [06:36:04] No F1 TV? [06:41:29] Because I'm still in bed [06:41:57] It's not the worst campaign. I've seen worse come out of the NCA. [06:42:31] You'll see it mentioned in #announcements too [06:47:03] Their YT video gets cringe when you see the details [06:47:43] [1/2] Tell me that's not a video of the hollywood byobu script [06:47:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231496571305332808/3f15469e24665cb3.png?ex=66372b8e&is=6624b68e&hm=fde05b7f1ba14893ed4ce7e6a773996ee2c593e4616dbab0bb165047a56b4b75& [06:48:46] The advice given isn't blatant nonsense and it's at least got some purpose [06:48:57] Not like the poster from a group of ROCUs [06:52:14] [1/2] This one? [06:52:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231497710327300166/kids-using-kali-linux-are-the-next-generation-hackers-uk-police-warn-529211-2.png?ex=66372c9e&is=6624b79e&hm=061adbff1d0ba96311cdca75d9f7104c2c4b63abe595e42e2c550ae0826c0f8e& [06:55:19] Yes [06:55:30] The irony of this all of us have used a VM (some cases without knowing) and we are on discord so, hmmm [06:56:17] I'm a civil servant and my government laptop has 2 of them on [06:57:46] I am paid to work with the Windows DDK (a giant turd) and VMWare Workstation is part of the standard image on all machines at work [06:59:12] I am connecting to a virtual machine that's on virtual box inside a VM via another VM at work [06:59:15] VM^3 [06:59:31] H4ck3r! [06:59:46] I'm a software engineer so basically ye [07:01:22] To be honest, the NCA video ad does not actually anyone what to do. It just says what the consequences are. [07:03:01] Ye [07:03:09] Which are true [07:04:38] The cyber choices scheme would have been an option to us if the fat kid that DDoS'd us in September was in the UK [07:04:47] Or if he ever gets stopped by border force [07:05:20] The other alternative would have been him risking jail time [07:20:23] Oh yea, have you seen the Dutch police trolling stresser users? [07:20:40] No [07:21:39] When they would take down another of those skid stressers they would go ahead and email all the registered users with a "we know what you have done. Please do not do this again. We may investigate you" [07:22:23] As they should!! [07:26:04] Now that is something I would pay taxes for. [07:28:43] @felenov met sent 800 emails to users registered with a phishing site maker this week [07:29:04] London met? [07:29:53] @felenov ye [07:29:56] https://news.met.police.uk/news/law-enforcement-infiltrates-fraud-platform-used-by-thousands-of-criminals-worldwide-482687 [07:41:35] Well, scammers deserve to be messed with, justified. [07:47:44] I seen cases where a scammer gets scammed or screwed in another way and then complains about it and my reaction is always the same: if you don't want something happening to you - don't do it or the tables might turn. [07:54:32] Brilliant policing in my book [07:54:42] Success for 25k victims [07:55:01] With tens of thousands more likely to be identified in due course [07:59:07] Remember Anom and EncroChat? [07:59:23] Nope [08:00:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg1FbtXYvK8 oh you are going to have a good time [08:00:50] That sounds perfect [08:01:08] They would have been more secure using FOSS tools, that's the irony. [08:04:26] [1/2] "Hello %shady_person% here is this totally proprietary secure telephone that costs 1200 units of American currency per month that you can use to talk to all your friends, trust us, it's secure!" I am calling BS on that. [08:04:26] [2/2] Products marketed to criminals are going to be used by criminals and will attract attention of law enforcement or be run by law enforcement [08:09:35] Just remember using one's ego and laziness against one is the most powerful tool LE has, and it's proven by time [08:20:58] @felenov not just LE [08:21:33] A few big sockpuppetry cases both here and on WMF have been uncovered because of someone having an ego and getting lazy [08:23:04] Are Orangemoody and WikiPR among said cases? [08:23:24] No idea [08:23:34] I don't watch many [08:23:47] I know ACE Scruitneers have caught an admin before [08:27:27] Mind linking it? Someone went through the effort of RFA and then does shit like this. [08:31:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_12#Edgar181_desysopped [08:38:41] That's some good reading [08:41:02] We've had it twice on miraheze too [08:41:07] Sau226 [08:41:11] And Examknow [08:50:28] [1/2] last one got me off guard [08:50:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231527462094245939/04f6dec9bb4aeeb4.png?ex=66374853&is=6624d353&hm=64064cb394f68dc7ee91a7cc3d2ed999fcede104ccbb05d7e3e90ff5256a6fce& [08:54:45] Examknow was freaky [08:55:01] I have never managed to get my head round the scale of it [09:08:02] This person has some serious issues, ngl [09:09:58] Half of it isn't even easily public [09:10:06] I know the full story and it's beyond [09:10:37] This guy co-ordinated with other LTAs, made anti spam tools to stop himself, attempted to frame other users. [09:12:17] I think this is a case of someone who wants control, there was a case of HATSHOP [09:16:41] [1/2] This sort of HATSHOP [09:16:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231534059549622414/3517ec4774142ee0.png?ex=66374e78&is=6624d978&hm=443aef25a1cd8c1a9d698b2e3c9417ae998ec16961d80339331e2d1874d6bd0f& [09:20:05] [1/2] I always get an unease feeling with people who collect badges. They're trying to get recognition they likely don't get in real life 😛 [09:20:06] [2/2] Same with all those userpages full of templates. telling who they are and what they can. Just look at mine 😄 [09:20:21] --Sarcasm off-- [09:20:39] [1/2] This is how I see people who have TopIcons or UserBoxes [09:20:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231535058435965030/1cc248f29781094e.png?ex=66374f66&is=6624da66&hm=69c59b2a1e37000f5982e33182cec2695457d731088973a3ef2aa84ce10ede48& [09:20:52] LOL [09:21:03] if someone needs to verify your permissions, they can do so using the interface. [09:21:21] That's true [09:28:38] I think babel is a good idea and I think everyone should be encouraged to have it on their user page. I am okay with permission user boxes ONLY if they have categorization. Also, can we get a babel-like system for timezones [09:29:36] ye [11:48:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1231572290936897536/image.png?ex=66377213&is=6624fd13&hm=e00df06581b91278581917548d78666c8c19d88b71dd6fe735b68fc9f1aa105a& [11:49:05] babel would be kind of useless for me as english is the only language I scrape by enough to use [11:49:27] anything else and I'd be measuring my machine translate skills [12:11:50] You think I know how to code that shit Original and the others guys were carrying me through editing a page 😭 [12:23:00] This is a hat menagerie [12:26:07] What about my Userboxitis [12:26:34] early on I prided myself in minimal boxes [12:26:36] You're the worst 😄 [12:26:43] at one point steward was the only one I really used [12:27:54] Hey @rhinosf1 how’s that volunteer appreciation form going [12:39:45] Fair few responses [12:39:50] Very nice reading [12:39:59] Im gonna add a few more [12:40:12] Go ahead [12:40:19] Please warm my heart [12:45:12] I’m actually forgetting if I already thanked one of the people I was gonna thank lol eh I’ll just put don’t recall on the question [12:46:09] It just gets flagged for me to check [12:46:30] I just pay closer attention [13:12:26] Perhaps @rhinosf1 could regularly post it in the support threads. "Please give us feedback on the support received" or something similar 😉 [13:13:28] I agree [13:13:35] We should advertise it [13:16:02] @rodejong that feels like something a bot could do [13:17:47] They are all unique responses [13:26:56] I didn’t thank them yet :p [13:27:15] I have two more to put in still [13:27:21] 3* [13:27:32] Go for it [13:32:29] I may do more if I think of them [13:32:48] All appreciation all from me [13:34:51] what was the original wikitide logo? I remember liking that one [13:35:09] since there are concerns about the wt logo being flat perhaps that is a productive avenue to explore improvement [13:36:53] Pre the one we have now that mirrors Forge? [13:40:12] mhm [13:50:42] @rhinosf1 how many responses have you gotten and when do close [14:13:19] It can be done client side [14:13:31] There's a lot of open source code for calculating contrast [14:14:43] Cri [14:14:53]