[00:13:54] As long as y'all are staying within Content Policy guidelines, no worries. 🙂 [00:17:22] we like to name SnowballasmediA as a foundation and not a network [00:22:00] [1/2] the colors of this wiki makes me want to go to the nearest japanese forest [00:22:00] [2/2] https://astonishingscratchers.miraheze.org/wiki/Astonishing_Scratchers_Wiki [00:22:16] uranium [00:23:05] green [00:24:21] radioactive green [00:25:00] Could you elaborate on what's wrong with the CSS so I can fix it? [00:25:14] too saturated green [00:25:29] it looks disgusting [00:25:43] like a yt kids thumbnail lol [00:58:16] [1/2] Are we going to have Miraheze merch (WMF has it, why can't we?) anytime soon? [00:58:16] [2/2] It's more money for WikiTide Foundation [00:58:38] Mirahats [00:59:14] I would actually wear an mh hoodies with my ride [00:59:14] If you have a Wikipedia globe mug that has not been washed in months you need a Miraheze mug [00:59:18] Pride* [00:59:35] :miraheze: [01:00:12] [1/2] It all makes perfect sense now; bad things have happened in my life because I'm mad at myself and want to see myself suffer at times [01:00:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235395385946800298/image.png?ex=6634371c&is=6632e59c&hm=6fb44d51a373aeb5bf8a232aaa01a5a20419888b18569cf6f25f253cb97015e6& [01:00:27] I got a MikroTik mug I got free when I did the MTCNA training and a Cisco one from my CCIEs (the latter is what I use now and I don't remember the last time I had it in the dishwasher, it has black stuff on the bottom) [01:00:27] /hj if it's not obvious [01:02:01] Cool, please add OXXO payment method for us Mexicans lol [01:02:12] If the design is interesting I would actually consider buying. By interesting I don't mean just slap the honeycomb and call it a day. [01:02:36] "Come for the wikis, stay for the community" [01:03:44] I came here because of the extensions and never left [01:04:13] Miraheze gets the "Felenov data hoarder seal of approval" [01:06:27] For the people who don't know: An OXXO is like a 7-Eleven but in Mexico, and way cooler [01:07:26] And there you can pay stuff like your Telmex or your Amazon delivery [01:08:13] Probably what will end up happening is Stripe will be thrown at the problem and with it all the methods they work with (SEPA ftw, gamers) [01:09:08] Or just setup a Miraheze amazon store lol [01:10:23] There are companies that do merch and only that. They will handle your design and run the storefront and gve you some percentage of the sales generated. [02:09:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235412864018288740/image.png?ex=66344763&is=6632f5e3&hm=e387aa2c503504170b9a7c03bdde537123db986730dc9cdecc7b4c0bb22b4ccd& [02:13:20] 🍲 [02:16:22] 🍲🇦🇷🇩 [03:00:14] @rodejong noting I think I actually got the dang API thing to work, feel free to try it out https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/ExternalDataTest enjoy(please i suffered so much getting it to work for the dumbest reasons) [03:02:12] boludo!!! [03:05:06] anyways if anyone knows a merch designer who may be able to make mira merch speak up lo [03:05:52] actually I have a friend with access to a shirt design printer machine thing. It would be really funny if I asked them to make a miraheze t shirt [03:06:22] we should have a miraheze mobile app [03:06:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235427143182454794/270px-Miraheze_app_prototype_002.png?ex=663454b0&is=66330330&hm=3e5e29872cbe8f2a17122111fe8e3340155c1476cfb82f162e8d60f4de5c6c25& [03:06:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235427236488810496/image.png?ex=663454c6&is=66330346&hm=4505ecb4abb0533808bd9801a005c2917189ad80fabb9fb1f134660490d809c6& [03:06:55] it was made by that person btw [03:08:36] Silicona [03:08:50] Yes I recall, I believe I engaged in that thread [03:09:18] If you know a mobile app dev feel free to go ahead I believe some feedback was left on that thread [03:09:50] Our few tech volunteers have lots of more urgent things to do I'm afraid [03:10:44] no [03:10:53] I've just barely started with helping on the development stuff and already have an overflowing to maybe do list [03:17:17] Yes [03:22:51] (also ro you have Template:SearchApiJwOrg and Template:SearchJwOrgApi is that a mistake? I'm the last person who should be allowed to criticize so) [03:31:25] [1/2] this is the first time I saw this one [03:31:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235433439600181369/image.png?ex=66345a8d&is=6633090d&hm=f1d81a8dd5f3bfb8fd5ba635127fb57dbc9aa9425ef13890f3fd8c0323fc69e9& [03:31:39] Also I just noticed the harassment warning a few days ago [03:31:45] Never even received that warning as far as I know [03:31:56] Didn't get it in my email or DMs (I checked to make sure) [03:32:10] I'm actually going to appeal this one because violent and graphic content is something I am very certain I did not do [03:33:02] What the hell is this cursed aura of Discord TS vendetta around you collie [03:33:20] Please tell me it's not contaigious [03:35:39] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235434504211136522/image.png?ex=66345b8b&is=66330a0b&hm=8cce44892dbfb6d4feef76a7d3f6a360974acdffc8bd9c1ffc158206c1747d26& [03:35:42] sent the appeal [03:35:46] I do not think it's contagious lol [03:35:51] But yeah I am really shocked that I get disabled on Discord so much [03:35:56] I don't even do anything that bad [03:51:58] what ya' doing? [03:52:08] yea true [03:52:10] No clue [03:52:18] I really don't know why I got this one [03:52:30] discord hates you lol [03:52:35] Others I suppose could have some explanations but I'm stumped for this one, I have absolutely not posted gore [03:52:46] It said the violation happened 11 days ago and I can't think of what I did 11 days ago [03:52:50] I did send an appeal [03:53:49] I have an alt also [03:54:25] I have a lot of alts [03:54:44] @kiju1108 you seem to know the background on the dispute so could you review the CU request at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/CheckUser#LittlePerson10%40metawiki [03:55:04] [1/2] I have a lot more but these are the ones I have logged in right now [03:55:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235439388863758367/image.png?ex=66346017&is=66330e97&hm=d35b37dca4a4f942b19a1ca11a3ad0232a9fe0af71a61246b76f0ab537a3f201& [03:55:50] Do I need to have `(alt)` in my alt's nickname? [03:55:57] I don't think so [03:56:35] Jesus why [03:56:44] Some servers require that but Discord doesn't and I don't think this server does although Brandon did tell me to stick to just one account in the server [03:56:49] I don't really remember why I made them [03:57:04] Some were for fun like roleplaying as if they're two different people but I don't remember most of them [03:57:36] More advice than a mandate because it'll quickly get confusing. [03:57:42] Yea ik what you mean [03:57:43] But to each their own. [03:57:54] It's just harder to tell who's who, yeah [03:57:57] yea [03:58:09] i think my alt is here but i never use it [03:58:13] @asphellie yeah it is here [03:58:19] I made an alt once and instantly lost it because I didn't write the password and screwed up the email(ie I have foo@bar.com and eggs@spam.net as email and registered with foo@spam.net) [03:59:13] 1 [03:59:24] bar is on sale, would be cool if theres a free email service with an option to make a bar.com email [04:00:34] that domain has existed since 1997 [04:00:51] redirects to https://defining.com/bar/ [04:01:09] very expensive for sure [04:01:21] how much? [04:01:32] it doesn't specify [04:01:34] idk really [04:01:43] says "valuable" [04:01:50] so I think is very expensive [04:02:09] also, the domain https://cornhub.com is very expensive also lol [04:02:57] Okay..? Really not nessesary.. [04:03:28] 🌽 [04:04:12] a site for ordering many types of corn from a farm [04:05:35] lmaooooo [04:06:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235442229162807316/Corncobs.png?ex=663462bc&is=6633113c&hm=7b4248c474095b7eedc09d442f51686ea975079b25dc417dcfc949eef1d7a011& [04:06:40] [1/3] This guy also got a warning for "hateful conduct" recently, I think T&S is just trigger happy [04:06:40] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235442304026673234/image.png?ex=663462ce&is=6633114e&hm=46d9b567170589bb0dc7445bb79f1cbe7eb174898cb8f125d0955a66c0723ba1& [04:06:40] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235442304396038244/image.png?ex=663462ce&is=6633114e&hm=0801980580cbd3671c71273f1e220c0b847f7b64ca4f3e8e3c154198da46a256& [04:06:56] Yeah, not needed :slight_smile: I'm going to clock out now. Good night day afternoon. [04:07:02] gn [04:07:26] goodnight? [04:07:36] I was saying gn to PixDev [04:07:42] Oh I see he said day afternoon too [04:07:54] good midnight [04:08:29] It's 12:08 here lol [04:08:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235442786111852564/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-05-01_a_las_10.08.15_p.m..png?ex=66346341&is=663311c1&hm=0f4899be49fb165d9e14391b0a5009f50f553681901baf581fcdcb5e031ee1f7& [04:08:35] (AM ofc) [04:08:43] Daaang [04:08:46] dats crazy [04:09:01] here in mexico is 10:09 [04:09:16] gn just means goodnight [04:09:24] k [04:11:04] [1/2] theres a cob website [04:11:04] [2/2] https://cornhub.website [04:11:34] theres just videos of cobs [04:11:53] cobbers, cvideos [04:13:00] [1/2] ain't saying what they are trying to parody [04:13:01] [2/2] but y'all already know [04:17:59] lmaooo [04:17:59] yea [04:18:55] from those home alone nights :ThinkingHardMH: (sorry) [04:24:15] lmaoooo [04:24:39] You make the kind of jokes that I don't because I try to remain professional [08:55:02] IIRC it is considered good etiquette in wikis to link between alts and redirect talk to the main account (at least that's what I do when I have to operate multiple such as running bots) [09:46:55] [1/4] @pixldev : And he leaves this comment on the template 😄 [09:46:55] [2/4] ```'''NOTE:''' plz plz plz don't forget the underscore in the parameter or everything explodes and my soul shall vacated my empty husk of a body and toss itself into a paper shredder dangling above a propane stove this was painful to get working i hate jsonpath``` [09:46:55] [3/4] But a question. Is it possible to trim the time from like `18:30:00` to `18:30`? [09:46:56] [4/4] And somehow the address shows like it was put in between `
/pre`
[10:25:25] 	 @rodejong I just woke up now and am only sending this because I *will* forget otherwise but to the date yes likely can be done via parserfuncs. To looking like it was put in pre. Well it is. I didn't add it there, it was already included in the CongregationApi template I used as a base fell free to remove
[10:40:44] 	 actually scratch that the jw api is actually returning `
Mellombygdveien 114\n9321  Moen\nNORWAY<\/bdi><\/pre>`
[10:42:27] 	  so a /pre..
 would need to be inserted?
[10:42:41] 	  or how to disable that?
[10:43:35] 	 I have no idea.
[10:43:36] 	 https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/ExternalDataTest?diff=prev&oldid=5367
[10:43:54] 	 You'd need to trim of characters
[10:44:02] 	 I'll look into it later today
[10:44:06] 	 after breakfest
[10:44:10] 	 and waking up
[10:44:19] 	 and like IRL life
[10:44:30] 	  No hurry
[10:44:45] 	  take your time! And be quick about it 😉 hehe
[10:46:43] 	 'kids these days. always so slow to get stuff done 👴'(im sorry)
[11:05:52] 	  Because TikTok ruins attention spans.
[11:07:43] 	  it's a symptom of a long-standing trend tbh
[11:08:28] 	  it filled a hole at the right time and I've never gotten singling it out when in the end it's just one of the ultimate capitalists on a trend started by facebook, twitter etc
[11:09:08] 	  prolly took that too seriously but ye
[11:10:14] 	  Now a days you NEED some movement or flashing lights for people to keep paying attention
[11:11:31] 	  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235549224842559559/epicgamingvideo4K.mp4?ex=6634c662&is=663374e2&hm=c649563248c58a328f071811d93f5750288377ccce67631e2a326a9cabad63b0&
[11:42:27] 	  :thistbh:
[12:19:54] 	  I try to be professional but I just I can't lol
[12:20:26] 	  this smells like doritos and mtn dew
[12:37:27] 	  [1/2] starting the day complaining with a drawing made in Adobe Photoshop 3.0 in macOS 9 (that mac is supposed to be a iMac G4)
[12:37:28] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235570854474289182/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-05-02_a_las_6.36.14_a.m..png?ex=6634da87&is=66338907&hm=967b068d879e06d9170235f8843a01c8f23f4e7ceed6916a37825252a0e7ab3a&
[12:48:17] 	  we really need to try avoid having 504 and 502 errors
[12:51:26] 	  Hay amoooor divino, pronto tienes que volveeer, el dolor es fuerte lo soporto 🎶
[12:54:44] 	  50x ain't a speedbump we can usually see I'm afraid
[12:54:57] 	  more potholes covered in minecraft sand
[12:57:47] 	  [1/2] [[:commons:File:Complaining about Miraheze servers in a old version of macOS and Adobe Photoshop.png]]
[12:57:47] 	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/:commons:File:Complaining_about_Miraheze_servers_in_a_old_version_of_macOS_and_Adobe_Photoshop.png
[12:57:47] 	  [2/2] very long
[12:57:48] 	  
[14:02:48] 	  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235592332577996912/image.png?ex=6634ee88&is=66339d08&hm=46e751ea4782b2bcbeab424ef6657bd920b04498aacff1dc47f55de30c4a3272&
[14:07:44] 	  CentralAuth and global permissions are a pain to work with but I should have it done by the end of the day
[14:17:26] 	  For now translation assistant and diff browser are in scope, maybe noticeboard and RfC assistant tools will be something I add next
[14:43:58] 	  Heh what is this?
[14:44:23] 	  A wiki tool.
[14:44:36] 	  ...
[14:44:40] 	  I gathered that.
[14:46:00] 	  Basically Huggle on Russian steroids (If huggle used imgui, could also do translations, graph transclusion/in/outlinks and do other technical tasks)
[14:46:51] 	  Oh ive heard of huggle
[14:47:51] 	  I have it open most of the time I am making commits to my gitea to watch DAGGER generate docs
[14:54:33] 	  Huggle also has that little IRC chat window in the interface, it's screen real estate that can work with something more integrated
[16:14:47] 	  Windows 1.0 vibe
[16:17:48] 	  [1/2] Wow, seeing a GDPR blocked user as the one who created the global block is kinda incredible
[16:17:48] 	  [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235626305324843098/image.png?ex=66350e2c&is=6633bcac&hm=93426bdc0e85c2ab792cdb757a1fe3c45c9f40fe76921bbbba47bb9411530452&
[16:18:18] 	  Unfortunate, though
[16:21:02] 	  ugh
[16:21:39] 	  Got a 3.0 vibe myself
[16:22:12] 	  ?
[16:24:50] 	  [1/4] A lot of the HoYo stories have ended up being kind of silly and childish, I really was surprised with this one, it was pretty good
[16:24:50] 	  [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235628073458729101/image.png?ex=66350fd1&is=6633be51&hm=23b53b30b66a1ea60e7e63562952fe7547030e20db79e83b680687ff290b8b24&
[16:24:50] 	  [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235628073962176614/image.png?ex=66350fd1&is=6633be51&hm=e9d5fe67d082a711f41baa830c201f4800712d86786015b82c15c3ccf618fa94&
[16:24:51] 	  [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1235628074402582609/image.png?ex=66350fd1&is=6633be51&hm=33341d2527ce1cac9c5fd743677a21353be1a318566d9f5dffd5719e9ed6c469&
[17:40:45] 	  TIL Nookipedia(Animal Crossing Wiki) used Cargo to provide its own API for information about the game 🤩
[17:43:13] 	  Pretty neat
[17:43:20] 	  Impressive!
[17:45:28] 	  Indeed. Ever since being granted +5 brain damage by External Data I’m doing some research into Cargo and SMW as I never understood how they work
[17:45:30] 	  It’s ironic
[17:45:41] 	  I gather so many skills in extensions and wikitext
[17:45:50] 	  And basically don’t edit any local wikis
[17:47:13] 	  My only public wiki I crate is so messy I don’t wanna get back to it :( I may try
[17:47:38] 	  Though I have irl stuff to do for a few days and i have code contributions here on global
[17:47:57] 	  Maybe i should start helping out a bit on more locals
[17:50:27] 	  Do you guys use any of the big data extensions on Farther Frontier Wiki?
[17:51:10] 	  Only SMW, and that's still in early implementation.
[17:52:58] 	  [1/5] Rationale/use case:
[17:52:58] 	  [2/5] * Game is a town builder
[17:52:59] 	  [3/5] * Buildings have both prerequisites and resource requirements that can change with each game update
[17:52:59] 	  [4/5] * Resources have attributes that also require updates with each version update
[17:52:59] 	  [5/5] * Having a single file to upload for sourcing those attributes simplifies making those changes
[17:53:32] 	  So it gets the info from a file?
[17:53:40] 	  Well, that's the eventual goal.
[17:54:02] 	  It's mostly been driven by another contributor and has been paused since my time is nonexistent
[17:54:15] 	  Yeah make sense
[17:54:32] 	  I never understood SMW but may watch how y’all do it to try and figure it out
[17:58:11] 	  Cargo I’m starting to understand
[17:58:21] 	  Wikibase I think I got the concept a while ago
[17:59:54] 	  I never cease to be absolutely astonished by the indie wikis
[18:00:03] 	  Bulbapedia for one
[18:00:14] 	  The amount of pages and policy and refinement
[18:00:32] 	  From the CSS to user boxes and templates
[18:00:33] 	  It’s
[18:00:35] 	  Beautiful
[18:00:40] 	  :xsob:
[18:02:08] 	  Hats off NIWA
[19:52:54] 	  is mac
[20:03:19] 	  Ja dat was duidelijk, Maar lijkt op de eerste versies van Windows
[20:04:49] 	  was not necessary to talk in dutch
[20:06:21] 	  Undskyld, Det var min modersmåd. Håber at det her er bedre?
[20:12:30] 	  А почему ты используешь голландский? Он же тебя не понимает.
[20:14:43] 	  [1/2] steps for understanding you:
[20:14:43] 	  [2/2] copying your message into Google Translate
[21:29:17] 	  Ich habe einen Fehler gemacht. Dann wurde es lustig. Jetzt noch mehr.
[21:31:24] 	  Ho fatto una battuta d'arresto. Poi è diventato divertente. Ora ancora di più.
[21:32:31] 	  इंडी विकी मज़ेदार हैं
[21:32:47] 	  [1/2] now italian?
[21:32:48] 	  [2/2] I made a setback. Then it became funny. Now even more
[21:32:58] 	  now hindi?
[21:33:16] 	  indie wikis are fun
[21:33:52] 	  Ein bischen frieden, een beetje vreugde, en smulle hilaritet
[21:33:57] 	  indie wikis:NotdoneMH:  indian wikis :DoneMH:
[21:34:35] 	  Daar kan over gedebateerd worden
[21:34:52] 	  german, dutch, or afrikans i guess
[21:35:04] 	  Dutch
[21:35:41] 	  I speek Dutch, Danish, English, German, A bit Norwegianand Swedish, and a few words in other languages
[21:36:04] 	  I can read Afrikaans though. There's a lot of Dutch in it
[21:36:33] 	  So for these languages I don't need Google Translate
[21:55:40] 	  Ich spreche russisch, englisch und deutsch. Ich kann auch etwas franzosisch, spanisch und lettisch.
[21:56:08] 	  The last three I can read and get the gist of what was said but I can't make a coherent sentence
[21:58:29] 	  I know the slavic group pretty well. For me learning a language starts with the insults and then everything else after that. (as a Counter-Strike player that's just how it goes)
[22:21:12] 	  Ein bischen fried, a little joy, and delicious hilarity
[22:21:22] 	  That can be debated
[22:22:06] 	  Yo hablo Español y Ingles. I estoy aprendiendo Portugués
[22:22:29] 	  I didn't even have to use Google Translate for that
[22:22:56] 	  I listen to a lot of Brazilian music, so I recognise words now
[22:23:08] 	  私はスペイン語、英語を話し、ポルトガル語を勉強しています
[22:23:15] 	  hahaha
[22:23:17] 	  is spanish not portuguese
[22:23:27] 	  google translate obviously
[22:24:18] 	  More then me lol
[22:24:22] 	  send me a playlist
[22:24:29] 	  Spanish, Portuguese. Both are close related languages. Just like French and Italian, or Danish, Swedish and Norwegian
[22:24:33] 	  They are very similar
[22:24:46] 	  :DoneMH:
[22:24:50] 	  Say a basic sentence in Spanish
[22:25:14] 	  i could prob get the meaning between my basic ass spanish 1 and my poor reading skills of pf
[22:26:00] 	  PixDeVl no le sabe bien al español lero lero
[22:26:06] 	  lol
[22:26:28] 	  [1/2] very beautiful spanish song
[22:26:29] 	  [2/2] https://open.spotify.com/track/6hFHsQWB7HdVrSe7efRR82?si=1d9e2406504e4074
[22:26:39] 	  https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3VwIkaM9YQLlVvbQnpcwen?si=2e0b051407ac4caa
[22:27:31] 	  Yup
[22:27:39] 	  I don’t know lero but got the test
[22:29:04] 	  thats from the spanish dlc called "Español Mexico" lol
[22:30:46] 	  I can do some very basic pt
[22:31:38] 	  Miraheze é uma wiki fazenda criada no 2015
[22:36:01] 	  Honestly maybe better then me i need my phone keyboard for spelling and just was never educated in tenses and conjugation
[22:36:21] 	  Also wiki fazenda to me sounds weird. Maybe fazenda de wiki
[22:40:19] 	  farm of wikis is weird
[22:40:24] 	  wikifarm is not weird
[22:42:29] 	  my google storage was almost full because of frickin google photos backups
[22:43:14] 	  and from shit I don't want like photos for videos
[22:48:25] 	  Bonne nuit - Buona notte - Boa noite - Buenas noches - Góða nótt - God nat - Goedenacht - gute nacht - God natt - godnatt - Goeie nag - Спокойной ночи - Надобраніч - Dobranoc - Dobrou noc - ....
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[22:53:11] 	  I know, timezones, but is literally 4:53 pm
[23:03:46] 	  Idk
[23:05:55] 	  hi tornitiu
[23:06:24] 	  I don't know you
[23:07:39] 	  SEO: Wierd Gloop MC wiki outranks the MC wiki hosted on the wiki farm we do not name
[23:08:14] 	  soy EmicraftNoob
[23:08:59] 	  There was no need to clarify that.
[23:09:22] 	  ok
[23:10:12] 	  Common DDG W
[23:10:19] 	  (i dont use DDG)
[23:11:02] 	  The searX instance I use serves the good wiki now. Consensus is winning.
[23:11:23] 	  searX?
[23:12:09] 	  this is getting a little confusing
[23:12:19] 	  Search engine that aggregates other engine search results
[23:12:42] 	  I got a YaCy instance as well, because privacy = good.
[23:15:27] 	  YaCy?
[23:17:18] 	  Yet Another Cyberspace - also a search engine but one with it's own indexes
[23:57:11] 	  Three random questions: 1. What are some really cool and impressive wiki(indie or other) to check out? 2. Is Wikibase a restricted extension to enable also 3. If one wanted to store structured data about items and enemies to use in articles and the such on a wiki is that better suited to Semantic Mediawiki or Wikibase?