[00:05:53] This is the problem, there is no "tolerable levels" especially Fandoom size [00:07:22] And with the age of AI, the cost to operate the site is even more than you think [00:36:27] Also I don't think Fandom is trying to compete with wiki.gg or MH [00:37:00] Looks like they are trying to compete with individual game databases and wikis [00:37:36] These individual game databases are much better in maintainance, cost and performance [00:42:06] So like NIWA? [00:43:02] I don't think NIWA is enough to classified as the "individual game databases" [00:43:34] hm [00:43:39] wdym by database [00:43:54] "individual game databases" these days shouldn't use Mediawiki in the first place [00:44:28] I mean something like this: https://gensh.honeyhunterworld.com [00:44:45] Or this: https://wuthering.gg/ [00:45:25] Both of them are very performant and much less clutter than most wikis [00:45:37] Also PWA is a plus [03:08:04] Gazetteer of wikis might needs alphabetic sorting [03:25:05] Ready or not absolutely lacks any decent documentation and the Fandom wiki is poorly maintained, looks like something I can change. [03:39:10] Wiki requested, I am going to go sleep and things will magically happen. [03:41:31] Well true [03:41:36] *possibly [03:41:46] But that lacks the interesting trivia you can get from a wiki [03:42:02] Like etymology, trivia, etc [03:48:49] [1/3] gazetteer is a weird creatures [03:48:49] [2/3] I personally think it needs table formatting, but on other hand you have discoverwiki, whoch supposed to be better buuut - it's kinda not, not in the current state at least [03:48:49] [3/3] like again w/ music category, more than half of wikis should be in separate contests category, but they aren't [03:49:11] The gazetteer is much more curated than wikidiscover [03:49:23] yeah but it's smaller [03:49:24] I can't search up wikis in the discoverwiki [03:49:32] it requires manual support [03:49:34] that's not necessariliy a problem though [03:49:45] discoverwiki needs search badly, indeed [03:50:12] it was addressed back when I made my tumblr post [03:50:26] by users/readers I mean [03:50:29] I will get to it eventually [03:52:31] PTW needs some translation, RONwiki needs someone to write and organize it when it gets made and Meta is about to have policy changes. Gazetteer is not a priority for me, but I want to take some time and look after it [03:54:08] yeah, I just gave my view on gazetteer, not saying it's important or anything [03:57:29] speaking of, I had the sick idea to make a content creator (yt, tw, kick, tt, ig, fb) drama wiki. Ofc I am going to be the one hosting it since something like that is going to be a magnet for abooz. [04:04:50] In my experience, a combination of anti-blanking filters and throttling the amount of edits a new user can make is a good deterrent [04:06:57] I would really prefer we not host this project, as described, in general. [04:07:24] There is a very good reason why I will be the one hosting it. [04:07:38] Because as you rightly point out, it's going to be a hot mess of moderation. [04:09:07] It's not just pageblanks, I will have to deal with ALL of the posible abuse, inc DDoS and hacking attempts, about people inserting all sorts misinformation, unsourced material, large channels telling people to go vandalize, I would essentially have to have someone who knows what they are doing watching it 24/7 [04:09:31] sounds fun [04:11:15] I have the infrastructure that can accommodate it, it's just I would the right people to be sysops/SRE. [04:13:12] [1/2] this is pretty much the case [04:13:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1245590812700708905/c6e45101745a9df9.png?ex=66594e57&is=6657fcd7&hm=0ec397a0d3a2652bcf306fa47289b0e91dd985ee52e4e3930280f198a2c3df30& [04:13:49] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKax2El2Cg - Apparently Google has been lying for years about how its search engine works, which is only a little surprising [04:15:46] Until I solve the moderation problem with software, that idea will have to remain and idea (and maybe that is for the better) [04:19:25] Automated moderation is something I need to look at and understand better, I do think there is a solution out there, somewhere. [04:19:50] Hey everyone, I'm back after busy making a draft article about [[w:Draft:Moegirlpedia]] [04:19:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Moegirlpedia [04:19:51]

[04:20:46] I just realized that the proprietary skin of Moegirlpedia is similar to Fandom [04:20:58] Not found in English and Japanese versions [04:22:33] Gonna share this website [04:25:08] <.labster, replying to koreirose> Random idea: new Wiki Curator role lets people tag wikis and edit the WikiDiscover description. [04:25:23] perhaps [04:25:52] <.labster> We need entry level roles, that’s one step above editing a wiki. [04:26:25] It sounds useful [04:27:21] <.labster> I will think about it for at least 5 minutes before writing an RFC but you inspired me [04:27:23] hmmmmm [04:29:48] Would work better as a committee that selects wikis for featuring every month [04:29:56] Tagging wikis is a good idea though [04:31:19] <.labster> All the Tropes is still featured wiki on meta https://meta.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:32:14] <.labster> Tagging wikis still needs technical work [04:32:46] <.labster> Almost the same work as “flagged wikis” [04:37:07] When will the wiki be redirected to current website? [04:37:38] <.labster> Never. It’s an Orain meta archive. [04:38:02] <.labster> It existed before April Fools too [04:40:03] https://zh.moegirl.org.cn/萌娘百科:MoeSkin [04:40:26] https://zh.moegirl.org.cn/萌娘百科:MoeSkin [04:40:40] Hey, Moegirl, when will you release the skin? [04:40:57] looks awesome [04:41:20] this wiki has some tasteful banner ads [04:41:31] that I would probably get in trouble for screenshotting [04:42:52] wow I have no idea what this wiki is about but the anime characters on here are cute, and the skin is very well-designed [04:43:27] Two days ago, I was busy translating Moegirlpedia from Chinese [04:43:51] Had to copyedit translated text because of errors [04:44:30] If you're just doing machine translation that's not very accurate for important things [04:44:44] til moegirl uses mediawiki wtf [04:44:50] [1/2] Yeah, this wiki has some original proprietary code [04:44:50] [2/2] https://zh.moegirl.org.cn/index.php?title=Special:%E7%89%88%E6%9C%AC&uselang=en [04:45:01] I was pretty surprised that it was MW when I started looking at it [04:45:32] holy shit they crazy overhauled it since i last looked at it (years ago) [04:47:34] This is the first time I've looked at it [04:47:51] I don't speak Chinese but I can confirm that the wiki has pretty anime girls [04:48:17] it used to look basically like wikipedia but with background image [04:48:52] interesting [04:50:24] [1/2] looking at this it's probably possible to recreate the moegirl wiki skin, the CSS isn't that complex [04:50:24] [2/2] https://app.moegirl.org.cn/wiki/skins/MoeSkin/dist/style.css [04:50:49] yeah its probably not that hard its just Work [04:52:13] I might try [04:52:21] what is moegirlpedia about [04:52:30] cataloguing anime girls [04:52:36] sometimes breaches into anime boys too [04:52:40] [1/2] Gazetteer is like missing a lot of wikis, particularly gaming ones. [04:52:41] [2/2] Right now, I'm still working on a curated list of game wikis on Miraheze separately, and I'll see what wikis to include in the gazetteer [04:53:08] awesome [04:53:24] jesus christ its so ads every click is a ad [04:55:52] Speaking as a former Wikitubia admin, with all due respect, the concept of the wiki is rather a bad idea. Almost all of the cases where we had to take down a YouTuber's page was because of controversy sections. [04:56:35] [1/2] lit what [04:56:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1245601732755591271/image.png?ex=66595883&is=66580703&hm=c3a2461e80cff90f2d57c37ecdccb296918f9ea0c325ab300ff7cc2ebff7815f& [04:56:44] this is an entirely chinese wiki [04:56:50] how is there someone with a similar username [04:58:00] I'm signing up so that I can ideally look around a bit more at how the wiki works because it looks very awesmoe [04:58:08] cough tags system overhaul [05:01:56] awesome I made an account on there [05:02:10] I got around the phone verification with https://sms24.me/en/numbers/46726416280 [05:02:19] that could replace the GIA idea [05:17:47] stumbling on that megaten person fighting fandom censorship again lmak [05:18:16] this person is sooo adamant on staying on fandom despite knowing damn well there's independent wiki [05:19:03] which obviously doesn't have any censorship problems [05:31:03] at this point I can only suspect there's a beef between them and admins of indie wiki or something like that [05:45:13] [1/2] ah, here you go [05:45:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1245613970690150461/IMG_20240530_083805.jpg?ex=665963e9&is=66581269&hm=b2968c212258c8eb1b97bb0d9d1017fabb7eb28d9067cbc92ed1b79ec7d3182a& [05:47:12] https://enowiden.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?logid=634 not quite sure what this is about [05:50:43] Well ads don't exist on English and Japanese editions [05:59:38] They were unpersoned, of course. [07:27:18] Apparently Mediawiki is quite popular in China as a software to create wikis [07:27:43] Lots of big names use Mediawiki [10:35:23] Qiuwen Baike is one of them [12:41:14] @paladox the 58th Parliament of the United Kingdom has been dissolved by His Majesty The King [12:41:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1245718696421490779/IMG_7620.jpg?ex=6659c571&is=665873f1&hm=22239d68ba5d3d696c18ea4034398451d315c83bb8d7275bf0e09de27ea8aeea& [12:41:26] yup [12:41:33] although it happened at 00:01 [12:41:44] that's just a official proclamation. [12:46:48] @paladox no, it legally didn't. The Fixed Term Parliaments Act was repealed. [12:47:01] It's back to how it was in 2010 [12:47:16] Where the king needs to do it rather than it being automatic on the day [13:49:59] I do find it kind of strange that the PM can just call an election and dissolve parliament whenever they feel like it (even if technically the King does) [13:50:15] It's probably better if parliament itself had to have a vote [13:53:38] They didn't like that [13:53:42] They tried it [14:06:57] heh, it's funny to think that parliament would vote to have that right taken from it [14:07:13] but yes I do remember the infamous Brexit prorogration scandal [15:48:10] From what I've seen about, the Tories are in fray over it and a lot submitted votes of no confidence to the 1922 committee to get Rishi out [15:48:22] because they know they are effectively going to lose their jobs [17:06:32] @rhinosf1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd11kvk1je4o [17:06:36] was an mp up until today [18:11:28] I saw that [18:14:26] I am done sorting it, I will clean out deleted wikis later. [18:17:49] There is a reason for NPP and PCP but at the same time editing has to be kept open to everyone. [18:19:12] Content creator drama wikis were a mistake [18:20:35] There needs to be a central text based directory. It's doable, the approach is the hard part. [18:42:04] I need to sleep [18:42:19] I was busy paying attention to my Wikipedia draft [19:19:41] Could you provide a summary of the video bc I don't want to watch it rn [19:20:36] fellas, what other non-profit or for-profit-but-fully-donation-based you know? [19:21:00] like Miraheze (lol), Neocities, Cohost, sheezy.art [19:21:54] Khan Academy [19:21:55] Lol [19:22:01] Non profit service [19:22:34] that's not exactly what I meant [19:23:02] Mira offers wiki hosting, Cohost is social media [19:23:15] Neocities - static web site hosting [19:23:38] roughly speaking, lets/helps hosting user generated content [19:25:24] you can put AO3 here too, I guess [19:30:28] [1/2] Guys this is awesome [19:30:29] [2/2] https://github.com/mathialo/bython [19:30:33] Ah I see [19:30:56] EditThis.info? :trollgod: [19:33:45] 👀 [20:06:42] [1/2] sweet jimbo.. [20:06:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1245830769495244913/ZUh3JRa.png?ex=665a2dd1&is=6658dc51&hm=704ff31f5392a1780bf2ac8a2ed6b4a2854395b679fd15581f5c87299fda75f1& [20:07:28] that's quite large [20:08:26] just a bit [20:08:50] indeed [20:09:39] also where is there so many NSFW and in general 💀 wikis on wikiteams archive.org upload page [20:11:25] i mean its a minority of content there and probably observer bias but still wtf [20:21:13] :think: [20:27:19] eh? [20:30:05] hm, the fact it's sorted by views may help explain it given this is the internet [20:30:45] whatever i dont really feel comfortable looking into this anymore, just an observation of a seeming statistical fluke [20:49:45] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Community_Connect_Interview:_Better_Ads_for_a_Better_User_Experience kek [20:51:21] :ThinkerMH: [20:51:57] I still remember christian ads back in wikia days when I had to look something via steam overlay browser [21:01:50] This is laughable [21:02:03] Why do they keep using the excuse "there was financial hardship" [21:02:36] Who experiences financial hardship yet acquires properties for 50+ million? Can't be that financialy challenged [21:03:11] @rodejong @felenov ticket master breach is probably legitimate [21:03:22] Oh. [21:03:32] Also looks like Santander may have been breached by same threat group [21:04:00] All I can say is good thing I don't go to events. [21:04:22] omg we are having such money issues our revenue only exceeded the GDP of a measly 4 sovereign nations [21:04:29] 😮 Humongous [21:05:00] Yeah, several main stream news sites are reporting this now as likely. [21:05:09] Ye, I wanted to correct my earlier sceptical nature [21:05:10] these issues totally won't let us buy several media outlets [21:05:27] I've seen more reporting from more sources [21:05:46] This group has a reputation to not make false claims [21:05:54] and a whole ass wiki hosting competitor [21:06:52] Other data breach experts say it's probably legit data [21:06:59] [1/4] Lessons I learned from hanging out on XSS and other forums are as follows: [21:06:59] [2/4] if something is on the internet it does not mean it's better (box offices take cold hard cash) [21:06:59] [3/4] don't give your information unless you absolutely have to [21:06:59] [4/4] if you did, too bad, GDPR is your friend [21:07:05] I follow a lot on Twitter [21:07:51] Assuming it's highly likely that your data is or will be breached at some point is probably a good idea [21:10:20] [1/2] I have a email that works as follows. Every site I sign up to I use a unique email and all the addrs I generate go to the same inbox so if I get spam I know where it's from and combolists are useless [21:10:20] [2/2] so if my details leak you are likely to see `2e8c8ce47a62fdb2f3caa183b14cf5df@%lastname%.ch` and probably a 64 position alphanumberic password with symbol [21:11:07] And people say I am paranoid. The more I work with technology the more I hate it. [21:12:00] [1/2] It is extremely difficult nowadays. [21:12:00] [2/2] In the Netherlands they closed and seized a lot of servers used in a botnet for hijacking/ransomware. Armenians and Ukrainian users used them to target Hospitals, Universities, banks etc. [21:12:33] They keep running behind [21:12:55] Because as soon as they close one door, ten others open [21:13:05] The person I answer to at work has one of those casio watches, a flip phone, has a landline, drives a chrysler, uses a minimal debian install, does not have wifi and does not allow his kids online. And I fully understand why. [21:13:36]