[07:28:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1272456698254065675/IMG_4547.mov?ex=66bb0b25&is=66b9b9a5&hm=576ba33257d59ba302d17751fac72f1be35ad1a9d9267cfc484eb34251c9047b& [07:29:13] got this windows ce based thingy and I’m working on making a replacement service for it based off some local preference files that were on the rom [08:02:21] oh no, someone requested a tt wiki [08:04:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/47887; uwu indeed [08:14:54] in true wiki fashion i spent about half an hour trying to get something to work, only for it to turn out that it had been disabled globally :xsob: [08:16:32] what's that? [08:16:53] external image embeds [08:17:02] im guessing the site im trying to link to isnt on the whitelist [08:17:32] you can request whitelist via Phorge but it might take some time [08:18:05] there's a setting for embedding images from URL [08:18:16] not an extension in ManageWiki, I mean [08:18:40] oh! ill try then [08:18:53] how do i do that? [08:23:03] ah, my bad [08:23:16] it's file upload from external URL [08:23:19] sorry [08:29:12] ss_raven: vanilla mediawiki doesn't let you embed an image from a separate site though [08:29:19] unless if you're using an extension or something [08:31:07] i am! i allowed it in my permissions; is there anything else i need to know before I submit a whitelist request? [08:31:17] oh okay [08:31:46] the request on phorge should answer these questions: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:CSP_Policy#Questions [08:31:57] (they are typically formatted with checkboxes, if you want i can checkbox-ify them) [08:32:11] thank you! [08:33:52] oh, there's already a checkbox-ified version: https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/P447 [08:36:07] double thank you [08:38:04] yw ^_^ [08:48:34] request submitted :> unsure how hopeful i should be that it gets whitelisted; i couldnt find a security policy on the website but its a pretty tightly run ship, that if miraheze contacts them its possible that it meets expectations [08:49:18] (for anyone curious the website is bulbapedia, one of, if not the biggest fanmade wiki regarding pokemon) [09:11:40] tt wiki? [09:11:51] tiktok lol [09:12:04] my first thought was that tolfi dude lmao [09:12:12] oh [09:12:13] lmao [09:12:22] i thought transport tycoon wiki [11:52:55] I thought it was Tatar Wikipedia [12:49:48] looks like tf.s is having some fun [12:50:03] first 502 from nginx, second 503 from transcache (it's just varnish with cool naming) [12:50:50] transcache…. [12:51:11] we do have sharkey [12:51:30] omg why can i not build the linux kernel from git [12:51:33] That’s different [12:51:38] Gee I wonder why [12:51:45] Side note: Claire do you play dnd [12:51:49] nope [12:52:43] i think tmux crashed [12:52:46] 😔 [12:52:52] yeah it did [12:53:13] coredumpctl is empty [12:53:19] You’d think a wiki community like miraheze would have more dnd players considering we’re all nerds [12:53:21] Interesting find [12:53:36] i wonder how neurospicy we all are [12:53:53] What [12:54:12] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neurospicy [12:54:35] Interesting [12:54:46] Well I mean I wear my insanity on my sleeve:p [12:55:17] i bet >50% of active mh volunteers are neurospicy in one way or another [12:59:25] Rotten websites wiki shout wiki version is rotten itself.LOL [13:00:49] Also that wiki on ShoutWiki must be closed for good.LOL [13:03:21] No body cares [13:03:33] @pixldev Ok [13:03:53] looks like tmux was killed by oom lol: kernel: Out of memory: Killed process 1205 (tmux: server) [13:04:07] also, kernel: keyd invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xcc0(GFP_KERNEL), order=0, oom_score_adj=0? weird [13:29:49] BlankEclair curious did you think I was or wasn’t queer before I said not on fedi [13:30:36] i actually excel at not being heteronormative/assuming that everyone is straight, so i was a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on your sexuality [13:31:06] Fair enough [13:31:08] (i just realized that "i actually excel" sounded snarky, that was not my intention ^^;) [13:31:46] I’m an enigma in many ways to most people [13:31:48] Including me [13:32:05] you did say "I don’t know the story or truthfully know a lot about how trans works or the things that come with it but still it’s awesome that this exists" though, so (probably) cis [13:32:45] There’s more to LGBTQ then the T lmao [13:32:47] But not wrong [13:33:34] The cliche cis white guy (minus Christian) except deranged in all the other ways possible [13:33:41] And Brazilian [13:34:20] I’m weird [13:34:53] heh, aren't we all [13:35:08] Amen sister [13:36:28] i am indeed weird [13:36:35] 👍 [13:37:17] > [12/08/2024 23:32] There’s more to LGBTQ then the T lmao [13:37:24] such as burger: https://transfem.social/notes/9wrbb76z2bof002h [13:40:02] Borgor [13:43:12] i swear i have a comic strip for this [13:47:07] pixldev: https://tech.lgbt/@AzulCrescent/112450371942142603 [13:49:55] Oh I love Azul’s comics [13:50:10] if only somebody made full-text search for it [13:51:00] Ikr [13:51:13] why am i like this, i'm just half-contemplating making an azul crescent wiki [13:51:57] I’d read [13:52:08] the rainverse wiki is already a handful... [13:52:50] stubbed articles + uncited statements [13:53:21] i usually snipe and do citations rather quick, but some of these are from discord, and we currently have a thing where we can't reference discord [13:54:00] Why [13:54:27] two problems: archiving semi-public chatrooms, and somehow archiving the contents in the first place [13:55:35] the first one could probably be handled with "use discretion; if lynn is pouring her heart out about personal issues, probably don't document that. if she is just sharing sneak peeks of a character tho, sure you can reference that" [13:55:51] the latter though... not like there's a wayback machine for discord [13:56:22] the closest thing is kemono party, but 1) it appears to be mostly used for nsfw (see its home page); and 2) i certainly don't want everything in the discord server to be archived [13:56:34] I hate discords tentancy go delete [13:56:47] I hate discords tentancy to delete stuff so easily [13:56:51] The old WikiTide discord is gone [13:57:01] as a data hoarder, i agree [13:57:31] Best we can do is archive as HTML [13:58:07] see also: https://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/5509 [13:58:59] also, who deleted the WT discord? couldn't it just be read-only? [13:59:22] Agent I think [13:59:34] We didn’t want to delete it but it’s a long story [13:59:46] You weren’t around for his resignation right? [14:00:01] probably started slightly before his resignation [14:00:12] i think he resigned due to the proposed mh rename to wt right? [14:00:27] (or at least that's when) [14:00:57] He was the main supporter of it actually [14:01:08] oh, it appears i misremembered [14:01:15] guess i need the whole lore explained then [14:01:27] luckily, i like long stories (and it's "only midnight") [14:01:52] Oh boy [14:02:49] Where to begin [14:03:46] (can't tell if that's a rhetorical question or not) [14:05:35] I’m actually not sure I’m thinking [14:05:50] @brandon.wm where would you start with the rebrand fiasco [14:06:07] what [14:06:21] i need the whole agent isai resignation stuff explained [14:06:27] (well, not need, just curious) [14:06:57] [1/2] sorta mildly interested in the long story too [14:06:57] [2/2] i think i joined right at the peak of the rebrand fiasco so my first impression of miraheze was kinda "damn the administration is a mess" [14:07:08] it's a very simple story actually [14:07:45] oh god how long did the fiasco last? [14:09:01] from my pov one set of dominoes started with the april fools thing [14:09:02] The board wanted to change the name of the farm to WikiTide, everyone went insane because of how they went about it, Agent left because of the drama [14:09:23] It was probably one of the most stressful periods in miraheze I’ve been in [14:09:47] I’d say he left more because of the community backlash [14:09:53] "insane" maybe it's not a strong enough word to describe the reaction [14:09:57] It got pretty damn toxic I’ll say [14:11:04] he was a very important member of the Infrastructure team, we still haven't recovered from losing him [14:11:15] Yeah [14:11:22] He left abruptly [14:11:36] I would've done the same thing in his shoes [14:11:49] Poor CA was scrambling to recover access to stuff for weeks [14:13:31] There was a each day it felt like there was a good chance the farm may not survive [14:13:36] It was not a fun time [14:17:27] I remember asking Brandon to tell mute me while I was chatting on the bus ride home so I could have an excuse to step back [14:25:24] Was that any help Claire? [14:26:25] that told me how it ended/was in general, though i was kinda thinking of a chronological list of events [14:30:46] That’s fair [14:30:52] I’ll see if I can look back later [14:30:57] But there’s a lot frankly [14:31:14] If you want You can look for logs in late April [14:31:25] He left around the 23d [14:32:05] oh okay [14:49:51] I would hope not. Leaving without proper handoff was the one inexcusable thing that happened. [14:53:44] Ultimately Agent owed nothing to either WikiTide or the Technology Team. If we're done with volunteering here, specially due to drama of that magnitude, I'd also have gone no-contact. It is the responsibility of the Tech team to ensure redundancy and that there's more than one person with access to critical services. [14:54:35] As I recall that’s a policy now correct? [14:56:15] Drama or no, once you sign on to being a board member and treasurer, that's a different fiduciary obligation to the organization. Agreed that the redundancy was a problem and something we were in the process of fixing. I'm glad we're at a much better place now with multiple keyholders. [14:58:25] In any case, I'm glad for the continuation of the project, and thank you in particular for your work in sorting out the wild west of CF problems. [15:05:53] wiki.gg abandoning there "no standard ads for refridgerators" model [15:06:05] Oh? [15:06:14] Pardon? [15:06:27] Running standard ads now [15:06:28] You mean only showing ads for Their own games? [15:06:31] Not anymore [15:06:37] Shame [15:06:48] Their motto on the landing page is "no standard ads for refrigerators" [15:07:05] So like googles old motto [15:07:10] Don't Be Evil [15:10:21] Interesting. Are they actually showing ads for non-game things, or was it just a change in verbiage? [15:12:56] They said they'll start showing "ads like Google Adsense [15:14:37] Would it in theroy be possable to use object storage to store a wiki's text content? [15:15:37] yeah, not only in object storage but you could use anything that allows storing arbitrary content [15:15:45] it's a question of how efficient it is ultimately [15:19:18] Does it store pages as a "blob" of multi page data or "one item - one page"? [15:20:15] well I don't know of any modification of MediaWiki that uses object storage instead of the database to store revisions, so... [15:20:35] what ads were on Gamepedia btw? [15:20:35] [1/2] Yeah, kinda sad, but they were running at a slight loss, so they had no choice [15:20:36] [2/2] Oh well, still better than more ad placement [15:20:50] I think there is a LocalSettings.php for the external storage [15:20:55] loss? [15:21:20] I think there is a LocalSettings.php setting for the external storage [15:22:53] yeah but that's also using databases to store revisions https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:External_storage [15:23:17] cursed-case scenario you can somehow host the database's files in object storage [15:23:18] What mean is something like "text is outside and database points to it" (I think that can be done) [15:23:34] it sure can [15:23:53] I don't think anyone's has written an extension that does that though [15:24:08] like this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data [15:24:49] I'd expected that point would be reached in another year or two, but their model always had an upper limit on easy/consistent benefits from network growth. Wouldn't be prudent to speculate further w/o visibility to their books, but it'd be fascinating to dive into those projections. [15:24:55] That gives a parser function to get data from other sources on a page [15:26:25] Google Adsense [15:26:40] If you view a gamepedia wiki on archive.org sometimes you can see the ads they were running [15:26:57] Like those spammy ads you see when watching movies illegally [15:27:06] (Not that I would knoe what those look like 😉 [15:29:13] Yar har me har 🏴‍☠️ [15:30:43] Tbh, so did I, but they're still a pretty good wiki farm imo [15:32:20] If we can do it [15:32:21] I thought FANDOM broght out wiki.gg and gamepedia [15:32:24] They’ll be fine [15:32:28] Wiki gg no [15:32:35] They are a competitor [15:32:37] Gamepedia [15:32:41] Yeah RIP [15:32:58] wiki.gg today is kinda like Gamepedia in the past [15:33:12] Actually, it's literally Gamepedia 2.0 [15:33:47] True [15:34:11] Who do you think FANDOM will buy out next? [15:38:56] If they were smart they'd buy shoutwiki [15:39:13] So much potential wasted [15:39:57] Why do you think it was wasted? [15:40:42] it would be kinda ironic since there's awa.shoutwiki.com [15:44:52] Anti wikis alliance? [15:46:31] yeah lol [15:46:35] Because its avandonware [15:50:41] That was a guess lol [15:50:52] But I think I saw it before [16:07:33] tbh I wouldn't want to have business further w/ someone who would drop everything like that, under drama or not [16:09:58] understandable [16:11:08] but also, this is a volunteer-run service, not a company with which you're paying to have your wiki hosted at [16:13:04] Anti wikia alliance, so pretty close [16:13:27] i meant to type wikia [16:13:30] i swear [16:13:47] Hey, auto correct got me too, no sweat [16:14:31] tbh agent also caused a shit ton of problems since he also owned alot of things relating to the polandball wiki [16:17:04] we'll always be a little unstable just because of this in my opinion, and when stuff goes wrong to that level, there's little keeping people here [16:18:36] Not the first time a business partner vanished, funny enough. I once ran a small custom-order business with an extremely bipolar individual, who decided they wanted to go on a bike trip in another country and just never came back [16:19:20] man [16:20:40] Awkward conversation, but we're still in touch. Last I heard they were in Belgium. [16:58:34] [1/2] This iss an HTML for a static site test - my q is how to make the infobox be 20em on desktop and take up the whole area on mobile [16:58:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1272600125960622183/Taereltest.html?ex=66bb90b9&is=66ba3f39&hm=138de7da1abdf5dbe0cbb12d50d4c82fe1d1468081f5abb287bf3388ced4e161& [17:03:57] [1/10] ```css [17:03:58] [2/10] .infobox { [17:03:58] [3/10] width:20em; [17:03:58] [4/10] } [17:03:58]