[02:35:49] [1/2] Fandom entertainment side-stuff that is not relevant [02:35:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283617031408586863/images23.jpg?ex=66e3a504&is=66e25384&hm=cb7d51b4b68f9442fbd1a4f8ec570e70fb02285609f0c33a46df6d54c43bd8cc& [02:45:12] Miraheze food truck when? [02:46:51] Miraheze shaped waffles 👀 [03:20:22] not surprised [03:20:41] what's mapping in this case means tho? [03:27:36] also I think fandom would be interested in this ... [03:28:07] also is Fandom aware of, uh, conspiracy wikis? [03:30:06] [1/2] huh [03:30:07] [2/2] https://x.com/splatoonwiki/status/1833960922265911326 [03:43:07] interesting video [03:43:43] so yeah, what I've been saying w/ Pizza Tower fandom wiki copying from us [03:43:50] post forking [03:44:35] after several reports by main admin kids realised they should credit, but at the same time they can't lol [03:45:52] and it was when wiki rep program was a thing, eventually the guy who was babysitting them was fired, so [03:48:48] no nobody is really monitoring neither plagiarism, not general behaviour of users [04:49:44] @reception123 As I said before, Fandom is probably feeling the pressure to ride the AI bubble and work with companies like OpenAI by making their data accurate as possible [04:50:41] I wouldn't be surprised if their ToS has a provision for that [04:50:54] However, fanon wikis, which have pages that contain fictional material for a particular IP or subject written by human fans, are "getting in the way" of making the data collected by OpenAI accurate by messing up the generated prompts with non-canon information [04:51:05] even then, they can justify themselves via the license and each wiki was licensed under [04:51:13] Yeah, that makes sense as their trend is definitely to try to "curate" wikis and get rid of any even slightly 'undesirable' content for them [04:51:46] this reminds me, how many requests was OpenAI sending our server per day? [04:51:55] enough to constitue a DDoS attack, no? [04:51:55] But if Fandom is really doing that then we probably should expect a lot of wikis coming over in the next few months or years [04:52:05] perhaps we've trained ChatGPT a little [04:53:32] hopefully not from the reception wikis 😄 [04:53:41] well the good/bad ones I mean [04:56:40] [1/6] Disclaimer: I'm putting on my theoretical business hat and have no real insights [04:56:40] [2/6] If anything, recent purges which aren't ball-specific seem to fall into a few possible avenues: [04:56:41] [3/6] * Optimization for ad revenue given 'perceptions' of low-quality placement [04:56:41] [4/6] * Limiting risk overhead after killing their 'superstar' volunteer moderators/growth team by eliminating the highest-need wikis [04:56:41] [5/6] * An executive trying to make a name for themselves by streamlining the platform into a curated and slick sellable product [04:56:41] [6/6] * Prepping for a sale of platform?! [04:57:34] sounds pretty accurate to me [04:57:43] the sale theory is interesting [04:58:40] To that point, I remember one Fandom staff said to me that their main focus is entertainment and gaming IP wikis & everyone else should fit in their ethos of "joy without prejudice" [04:59:51] When I later clarified what they meant, this is what they said [04:59:54] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283653292303323196/image-11.png?ex=66e3c6ca&is=66e2754a&hm=402eee6fc89a16383d1ca7ce401ed3a6b5a8bf56349042110136945f194de489& [05:00:44] However, these recent moves make me believe they have now moved the goalposts and purging wikis that do meet the criteria they previously stated and my fear is that they're gonna go after wikis like the Dream Logos Wiki or Fictional TV Stations Wiki, the latter of which I'm active on [05:01:16] I would not assume either of those are safe, given their increasingly shrinking boundaries of 'acceptable' [05:01:21] I mean, who the heck is being hurt by fictional TV stations? [05:01:52] AI? [05:02:17] I don't think it's a lack of revenue driving a pullback of what they are willing to host, but will need to check out their financial statements at some point. [05:02:47] I meant human beings. Machines don't count lmao [05:02:56] That was a distant fifth though, [05:03:17] But I guess in Fandom's eyes, it somehow does or believe being anti-generative AI is "ableist" for whatever reason [05:04:00] Which is laughable as someone who's neurodivergent. Even if someone has dyslexia and is prone to typos, I'm certain they have other people who can fix those mistakes [05:04:13] @agentisai , fun fact: we're using databricks' AI at work, and it's largely quite good, but it gets tripped up on synonyms every so often. [05:04:37] We gave it the name Cinnamon as a result, since it has no proper name. [05:07:10] I've heard of Databricks but have never seen in action [05:07:29] It's neat [05:07:30] I'm quite surprised there're so many AI companies out there that we've never heard about [05:07:36] They're popping out of the woodwork [05:08:26] But of course, everyone and their grandmother has the best new generative AI product you've never heard of. [05:08:46] How else will they get the last few dollars at the speculative cash oasis? [05:09:03] God forbid the AI bubble pops in October [05:10:08] but- but- we just invested $250,000 in Nvidia GPUs \:( [05:10:18] (Side note and putting the business hat back on for a moment: the super-high interest rates have made lending and borrowing stupid-expensive, which has made venture capital dry up in turn. If interest rates don't drop soon, we're going to see a lot of tech darlings take a very unpleasant nosedive) [05:10:51] oh yeah, for sure, like OpenAI [05:10:56] And also non-tech companies as well given how they've been propping it up as well [05:11:06] the news about them almost being in bankruptcy took many by surprise, myself included [05:11:11] I thought they were a cash cow [05:11:16] Yeah, the venture capital infection is not just in tech, it's true. [05:11:17] I thought they printed money a la Google [05:11:25] As much as I want to see Stable Diffusion feel the pain, it's not worth taking US democracy down with it [05:12:15] Unfortunately they adopted a very much 'grow at all costs' model, which accelerated burn ahead of of intake by orders of magnitude after the initial hype around ChatGPT [05:12:58] Which, hey, any other economic landscape, probably easily survivable, a few loans or another round of funding and you buy yourself a decade +. [05:13:19] but 2024 is not 2014 [05:15:15] (Also a bit of my lore on OpenAI is fuzzy, so do correct me if they did end up getting fully acquired by MS, my understanding is that MS is a major investor and they are still independent) [05:16:00] It's kinda sad how AI-focused companies like NVIDIA & OpenAI/Microsoft have deeply entrenched themselves into the overall market that if when the AI bubble pops, it could very well cause a recession [05:17:12] And NVIDIA could end up being "Nortel on steroids" [05:19:54] Fandom never really vibed w/ fanon wikis, they were shut down from time to time, w/ the biggest and most popular ones getting away, but Onceler getting nuked is certainly a sign of the end of an era [05:20:12] I'm really no market expert but I do agree that all these companies are at the very least a bit overvalued with the whole AI hype [05:20:43] For context, Nortel is a Canadian company whose collapse singlehandedly tanked the Canadian stock market. There's a two-part series on them over on YouTube [05:21:10] during the good old 2007-2008 recession I imagine? [05:26:13] Nope, it was during the 2000 dot-com bubble bursting [05:26:56] Ah, right [05:36:17] But the 2007-2008 recession pretty much did seal their fate years later [05:46:03] Oh my god, I just realized something [05:46:13] Fandom is basically Thanos snapping their site [05:47:00] lol [05:47:52] I just find it incredibly hilarious that they branded the word "fandom" and actively going against one of defining part of fan culture [05:48:08] again, especially Onceler being a phenomenon lol [05:48:47] that brand safety report hurt them hard [05:54:00] You can't spell Fandom without "fan" because without it, you just end up being "dom" (pronounced like dumb) [05:54:11] and yet, Fandom is somehow trying to find a way to do that [05:56:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283667594322120776/image.png?ex=66e3d41b&is=66e2829b&hm=479048ec93c5c7d6e83730e98ec823ae2e2854792709da37ade4b9e44f78d245& [05:59:02] to be honest, them having fanon wikis and having ridiculously strong seo often resulted in non canon stuff getting top results [05:59:44] not everything has to be top results [06:00:02] I suspect not everyone even want to be in top results [06:02:49] I just realized, it's Thursday. Alexa play Out of Touch [06:03:07] LOL [06:03:47] now I think about it, this is tumblr 2018 level of dealing w/ problems lmao [06:16:42] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269139161571655781/1283597366493974599/godbless.gif [07:18:46] the whole mediawiki and wikimedia things trips me up once in a while [07:31:53] <.labster, replying to chocomingo> Fandom is getting dom and domber [07:34:08] BTW what was the whole Onceler Wiki shutdown all about? [07:34:15] I didn't hear much about that one [07:35:01] <_arawynn> Wow, all of that kind of sounds like the Strikethrough fanfic disaster [07:44:24] [1/2] I'm yet to confirm if it's still down now, and I don't know explicit it was [07:44:25] [2/2] I can only assume the fanon factor and potentially unhinged content could be the reason lol [07:46:36] or you asking what oncler is? [07:48:49] Yeah [07:48:56] Never heard of that wiki before, or at least, only vividly [08:03:28] Oncler from 2012 Lorax is pretty much the reason why we have "tumblr sexy man" term, and he gained a strange kind of fandom w/ oncest pairing [08:04:40] https://fanlore.org/wiki/Once-ler [08:48:36] [1/2] ominous text message from an unknown number [08:48:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283710846467444736/Screenshot_20240912-024748_Messages.png?ex=66e3fc63&is=66e2aae3&hm=bc629a9e20f1250dc089253d8a01bf2fabd7949beca8dc53a60d2b6a3bbf15f4& [09:36:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwF2NOosM6A I can't help but get reminded of [09:38:13] I always reply: 935 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, D.C, United States of America (J. Edgar Hoover building, headquarters of the Federal Bureau of Investigations) [09:48:03] 42 wallaby way [10:02:51] oof yeah the Fandom stuff is worrying as someone who's running a fanon wiki [10:03:51] the anime its based on is already kinda niche, and even then the canon wiki seems more popular than our fanon wiki, so i'm being cautiously optimistic [10:04:05] but I'll still look into keeping an updated dump of pages [10:04:55] @theoneandonlylegroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JLSkFkNRtk you might want to listen to this [12:18:07] Russian Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to a Aimpoint product... https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimpoint_CompM2 [13:05:16] there is one fandom wiki I would be impacted to lose, I really should scrape it before they arbitrarily decide to shut it down [13:11:06] @WikiBot is at your disposal [13:12:28] tempted [13:12:54] i may archive it for you if you want :3 [13:13:25] well if it's just a few commands and storage I could wrangle [13:13:48] yeah basically just wikiteam3dumpgenerator https://rainverse.wiki --xml --images --bypass-cdn-image-compression --delay 0 [13:14:06] has fandom broken good ole wikiteam yet [13:14:15] I thought it was starting to get buggy especially around images [13:14:34] not the dump generator itself mind you, just fandom tricks [13:15:19] anonymous users can't access file namespace [13:15:42] idk if that impacts script tho [13:15:48] we will see [13:36:21] Nope [13:36:33] Although you should use the bypass compression parameter [13:48:22] [1/2] oh yea, since you are here. [13:48:22] [2/2] I am almost done with [[MSCOC]] so GCP and TOS probably should be the next in the translation pipeline [13:48:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/MSCOC [13:48:23]

[13:49:46] that seems reasonable, thank you for your service [13:51:15] I am pretty sure GCP was going to get updated as a result of one of the RfCs in the pipeline so I am wondering if it's worth delaying [13:51:28] Is it? [13:51:39] The only RFC I recall open is Wiki governance [13:51:47] [[RfC]] [13:51:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RfC [13:51:48]

[13:52:07] Okay [13:52:11] Draft seeming feedback [13:52:16] You’re correct [13:52:29] Conduct policy reform [13:53:25] [1/2] Oh god... [13:53:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283787557011849278/b07c779411c8e766.png?ex=66e443d5&is=66e2f255&hm=2a47443ea3bb67def5da3442a6ce41d9a13541b49e4eff1875559485cd840b85& [14:02:27] Updated [[S]] [14:02:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/S [14:27:22] hmm doesn't ring anything to me [19:41:36] Paul Elstak's style right there [19:42:17] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raygKYyL4QU reference material - Paul Elstak basically invented modern happy hardcore as is [19:45:02] well yeah I know Paul [19:45:04] lol [19:45:43] thought you meant particlular sample or something [19:46:56] I'm more into harder stuff, like same gabber [19:48:25] https://youtu.be/y2Wrf4YVac4 [19:53:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmSqtcnL46o this is probably my fav [22:10:30] [1/2] Sometimes I forget how painful it looked to be exodia'd... [22:10:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283912651092656250/HH9R8Qd.png?ex=66e4b855&is=66e366d5&hm=0a0690ac8667a486467c2ede1f0b808f752e7a76795e19e85f1ab8bd056e2645& [22:10:35] and wish it happened to me [22:10:56] rip [23:54:48] [1/2] You know what is my next archiving project, right? [23:54:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1283938899424575588/d33bf4e56cde20c0.png?ex=66e4d0c8&is=66e37f48&hm=cfa82254953efc8d72b1a719ba8dcea7e9e3adc35258e1e8137ed6a233447374&