[02:49:37] My brother loves Vinesauce [06:01:59] TheresNoTime: were you stalking the bicon page or smth lmao [06:02:07] i just literally just made the edit [06:02:52] BlankEclair: its on my watchlist :p [06:03:00] that was a quick snipe though [06:03:12] like, i didn't even have enough time to login to meta.wikimedia.org to clear a notification [06:03:36] I've been refreshing my watchlist every few minutes for the last few hours :p lucky timing [06:04:10] oh okay [06:04:22] :3 [06:04:34] this page is ancient [06:05:28] can't believe there's been a BiCon in the UK all this time [06:05:30] :p [06:06:06] me neither :P [06:10:14] chat i don't think that's what gender conformity means: https://files.catbox.moe/i12ofr.png [06:12:39] ooof [06:13:14] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUser_GC&diff=prev&oldid=1110703408 [06:13:16] wha? [06:14:39] interesting [06:14:48] I'll undo it if you don't [06:15:01] oh hey, average! [06:15:08] yo [06:15:25] TheresNoTime: not sure if i should be bold and rv it, or if i should ask on the talk page [06:15:42] [1/2] They got me 😞 [06:15:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285121918634037368/IMG_5149.png?ex=66e91e8d&is=66e7cd0d&hm=549a0db324f775df25c90a4d9144d8e859f8723f9c25abb8ec217b803a364288& [06:17:27] ig i'll let you undo it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [06:18:10] @reception123 FYI ^ [06:18:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Technical-restriction-time; oh hey, another enby time [06:22:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ZombiUwU/Userboxes/femboy; omg this template has atrocious color contrast [07:12:17] Today is Mexican independence (for some people is not tho) [07:13:31] I like Vinesauce 👍 [07:53:22] universal omega has yet to respond to my email that starts with "hello :3" [07:53:26] devastated [07:53:31] (/j) [08:01:30] [1/2] tfw you can't type text in this ASCII table generator on your phone, but there's wikitext to ASCII table converter :pupCoffeeMH: [08:01:30] [2/2] https://tableconvert.com/mediawiki-to-ascii [08:02:56] [1/2] yeah mab, I just started ... [08:02:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285148904844820480/IMG_20240916_110242.jpg?ex=66e937af&is=66e7e62f&hm=e9653a9affca44f6b73c195e4481571c7e76cf7373410940f2c14d3633e4d263& [08:06:11] [1/2] :ThinkingHardMH: [08:06:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285149723971289129/IMG_20240916_110556.jpg?ex=66e93873&is=66e7e6f3&hm=31d1676d3c563764208c26b6d32107398cf5004dee51bb7cbf6867a4272a6d04& [10:51:18] holly shit,,, hardest converter to produce,, [12:08:37] [1/2] aw man... [12:08:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285210733700710471/l.png?ex=66e97144&is=66e81fc4&hm=057c0964c3a7b0d0cd06d284e7bf7eda68de68fdf1b50a7cdeafd1768155a6e2& [12:23:37] Yeah it doesn't work which is why it hasn't been updated in 6 months. [12:23:57] Well it works but the sql is borked and I just decided to abandon that and rewrite it. [12:51:21] probably u should [13:05:18] apparently yaron made [[Extension:Replace Text]]--bets that i could find a security issue in it by doing a code review? [13:05:18] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text [13:17:52] hope so [13:18:01] what do you mean hope so [13:27:01] i mean bet ya [13:42:55] waow, i didn't find anything [13:42:58] i'm impressed [14:16:24] He escaped everything this time 🐧 [14:41:58] Most likely because its packaged as a default extension with MediaWiki. [14:42:12] oh lmao [14:42:19] It's likely been scrutinised by the Foundation [14:42:38] admittedly i initially thought i had RCE, but luckily the "e" regex modifier doesn't work anymore [15:26:08] [1/2] lmao [15:26:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285260441752174624/4.png?ex=66e99f90&is=66e84e10&hm=b31a8f472421f9316bbfc6ccf49116a5593686b4fa336aec3185d0d06094f65e& [15:27:28] [1/2] just got the foundation stuff working, does it really require having an actual jobrunner for that? [15:27:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285260775803453450/0.png?ex=66e99fdf&is=66e84e5f&hm=e1728c1381cd02a6c32e0bd30c54c26960a630afe78aa2b6de7e01f9c421283b& [15:33:21] I mean who doesn’t [15:33:27] very funny group of streamers [15:36:49] I would like to see this added to the extensions database at some point (or something similar) [15:37:03] I think wiki achievements is a very cool idea lol [16:15:53] No. Its not "required" but I would not run it without one because every edit will queue a job to increment the statistics. [16:29:48] i just saw that in the readme, but hey. [16:29:57] hope to see it here someday [16:32:21] unlikely because its no longer being developed. [16:33:45] oops [16:34:07] too bad then, at least we have one pending here [16:35:05] btw how's the convo with the tech team going [16:39:52] How long does transferring a domain from Regiser.com to Cloudflare register take? [16:55:36] for me, is the total of time where you wait until your domain was unlocked, copy the transfer code and give CF the money [17:02:41] The domain is already mine - I will have to pay to transfer it? [17:55:40] right so I was looking around the internet and found this random site that happens to be based on MW [17:56:03] [1/2] I would like a technical explanation: how does this even begin to occur [17:56:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285298166610268224/IMG_5037.png?ex=66e9c2b2&is=66e87132&hm=d070d136f89b860d0bfbd09bc093b362d70429924d1de11f2350c28db5ebf188& [17:58:29] PFFF [18:13:45] This is sad [18:14:05] How seriously is the site [18:14:20] It’s possible the DBA got drunk and decided to fuck around and find out [18:16:57] That's quite possible tbh [18:17:22] [1/2] @agentisai born to say [18:17:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285303531615682610/image0.jpg?ex=66e9c7b1&is=66e87631&hm=711f8bb5df39b3e6df758906990a59f6a869abb6385b7a554e8f7253d635e905& [18:17:25] [1/2] Made to say [18:17:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285303543603003503/image0.jpg?ex=66e9c7b4&is=66e87634&hm=3c089a196212421fc395cb9065b074e769752669308dd8af4ee5a9d3759e608e& [18:17:34] https://aboutus.com is the site [18:17:53] heh [18:18:00] in case anyone wants to snoop around a bit [18:18:50] I got very confused because I have emails for subbed tasks [18:19:18] Last edit was about 6 years ago? [18:19:18] Wow [18:19:27] https://aboutus.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=2147483647 it is obvious this wiki has been dead for a while [18:19:47] [8920779910300c8c93f8ac42] /index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=2147483647 TimestampException from line 142 of /var/www/html/aboutus.com/includes/libs/time/ConvertibleTimestamp.php: ConvertibleTimestamp::setTimestamp: Invalid timestamp - -1855408605696 [18:19:55] [1/2] oh perhaps giving it that number of days was not the greatest idea [18:19:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285304175181434911/IMG_5039.png?ex=66e9c84b&is=66e876cb&hm=4dd8fd569dfedae9c91ea75be5ce1ddbb4b3bacb3cf3629558904445ba8f9078& [18:19:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285304183750131733/image0.jpg?ex=66e9c84d&is=66e876cd&hm=1e2c0adfa3fa9c5fab536d5ec0e5f0a87af451c1e9fd8915e856d1ca0b0bcab2& [18:20:10] https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-thor-impossible-ragnarok-impossible-impossible-not-possible-gif-19896965 [18:20:11] https://aboutus.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=9999 [18:20:17] there we go [18:20:45] strangely, RC shows newer changes than the home page [18:21:03] Huh [18:21:11] The home page isn’t meant to be [18:21:13] gag [18:21:22] manually updated [18:21:23] honestly I’m more worried by the fact that it offers you the option to create it [18:21:24] Right? [18:22:16] I tried to edit the home page [18:22:24] [1/2] return to HUH [18:22:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285304800271138868/IMG_5040.png?ex=66e9c8e0&is=66e87760&hm=f1354cf12d23da26b842ea5521d885e6b88e5f8c9b2573865473071134f5257a& [18:22:38] Are we sure this is mediawiki [18:23:17] [1/2] oh no [18:23:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285305020413116551/IMG_5041.png?ex=66e9c914&is=66e87794&hm=4642949cb9b0093101dc4bda65233a9c08eda36e9c0ff4498493cca197494e9b& [18:23:53] there's a static web site which mimics timeless ... [18:23:54] it’s either MediaWiki or trying very hard to be MediaWiki [18:24:07] https://aboutus.com/index.php?title=Wiki&action=edit [18:24:12] found the page soured [18:24:33] No the parameters and login are MediaWiki’s [18:24:41] You should share this in https://discord.gg/ZrV2Ex9 lmao [18:24:53] Jimbo Wales is about to dig a grave, drop dead in it, and then spin around to create a tornado [18:24:58] no, I mean like THERE IS such site lol [18:25:05] I hate everything [18:25:48] [1/2] lots of parser fuckery going on here [18:25:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285305655200190484/IMG_5042.png?ex=66e9c9ac&is=66e8782c&hm=60aace1541af988870d650076d444a364bf636368e3e78d17675929a7587d4a5& [18:26:06] Forget wales Magnus is about to jump off the Reichstag [18:26:12] damn, did it died .... [18:26:28] [1/2] insert Wikia joke [18:26:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285305824704594123/IMG_5043.png?ex=66e9c9d4&is=66e87854&hm=babe2891881c502614606d29471ced4bf46a499ddddf9ab36a3aa592637d8d8b& [18:26:34] it won't load :moonch: [18:27:23] Context: https://wikis.world/@magnusmanske is the original developer of the mediawiki software [18:27:44] Would be funny if I share this monstrosity on fedi [18:27:58] I’m going to give zo many heart attacks [18:28:05] here take this https://aboutus.com/Special:SpecialPages [18:28:12] Also I forgot how much the music from the 2011 Rio slaps [18:28:30] Hm? [18:28:32] https://aboutus.com/Special:Version [18:28:38] wait it works now [18:29:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285306541083332608/IMG_5044.png?ex=66e9ca7f&is=66e878ff&hm=1fa2328ffb62aaee536c04091459a0d39f787bd1d902a3cfff6ce3528d714e13& [18:29:25] cool extensions you got there [18:29:30] So it’s the search [18:30:39] myextension [18:30:47] myname [18:30:57] [1/2] this is an abomination [18:30:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285306950552387655/IMG_5045.png?ex=66e9cae0&is=66e87960&hm=fecd2d5ef5668ed488a7a5ab2c498abfda7ad2cc915bc08bf61e5869374c0b32& [18:31:56] https://aboutus.com/Special:GoogSearch [18:32:00] I don’t get it [18:32:07] why create any of this [18:32:17] [1/2] that last sentence lmao [18:32:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285307288923668624/vurPFpT.png?ex=66e9cb31&is=66e879b1&hm=a0ca41444a568e773f500bd35dadbc87dfe6ed95f59b5d192be4156ec89b012e& [18:32:23] пщщп [18:32:25] goog [18:32:47] https://aboutus.com/Special:SidebarActions this doesn't look correct [18:33:21] https://aboutus.com/Special:WhatsMyIpAddress why is this here [18:33:28] why does this need to be a page [18:33:29] NO [18:33:38] girl [18:33:42] don't do it [18:33:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285307645804281937/image0.jpg?ex=66e9cb86&is=66e87a06&hm=94da09c89d5cd5de43834f652e6d54672131e64e1fe242235d67a96d568ee646& [18:33:59] :ThinkingHardMH: [18:34:03] wait I have an abhorrent idea [18:34:10] https://aboutus.com/api.php [18:34:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285307766860414996/image0.jpg?ex=66e9cba3&is=66e87a23&hm=4f79d166bab6e3f6ef8a5fb16b39f8c3c17fa58d7ab7412b3825459eb5bbc18f& [18:34:28] <\\/a> [18:34:39] “api access restricted” [18:35:25] I hate this [18:35:26] [1/2] this sucks [18:35:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285308072163803166/IMG_5046.png?ex=66e9cbec&is=66e87a6c&hm=d335e8362591328c38a73e9fede2820cf6cbf2220c99f67fac308fcd70c5e493& [18:36:29] @BlankEclair you have to see this [18:36:36] it is amazingly horrible [18:37:04] Claire isn't online [18:37:23] ah [18:37:25] dang [18:37:42] [1/2] I clicked the link and [18:37:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285308647618117713/IMG_5047.png?ex=66e9cc75&is=66e87af5&hm=c950293a94443bfdec0f9cb86561ce958a39130884a9c77902cfc9b0eb675412& [18:38:17] https://aboutus.com/Learn lmao [18:38:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285308822172205139/WZ5KQ3T.png?ex=66e9cc9f&is=66e87b1f&hm=878d32550b8671fcf4ddb6720fb7bd5ed40fdee892c0b9be8af179e680892740& [18:39:48] [1/2] testing on prod [18:39:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285309178541375550/IMG_5048.png?ex=66e9ccf4&is=66e87b74&hm=2a0d12cd458f4dc8ca8ad050b38c0c8bd801648ac0ff4850929faa2be9c8db77& [18:40:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285309459974848593/IMG_5049.png?ex=66e9cd37&is=66e87bb7&hm=dfc299e35c24ee11905851ef270019c54e6b6e260680a508feec5449f2429ffe& [18:41:05] well I see why no edits have been made recently [18:41:13] https://aboutus.com/Special:AllPages lol the first pages on this are just spam [18:41:56] man this is uh [18:42:00] yeah [18:42:01] yep [18:42:05] uh huh [18:42:15] I’m positing this on my mastodon so she should see layer [18:43:03] [1/2] wait hold on [18:43:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285309995159654452/IMG_5050.png?ex=66e9cdb6&is=66e87c36&hm=ececdd46353b585ddc805ef069959cea38c9dba6e03291a598f3aaa70d6ceec6& [18:43:06] html editor? [18:43:23] WHO SAYS THAT [18:43:38] [1/2] why do these pages have a rating function [18:43:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285310143235358781/QYsfWsi.png?ex=66e9cdda&is=66e87c5a&hm=86a7c43a06649c2ce1b6b6cb5503e4d835b9705cf9cabd517d7b87a0339b49cf& [18:44:34] Saves me emailing her to say check the logs [18:45:01] yeah man, wikitext and html, they’re basically the same thing right [18:45:31] either that or they allow html on pages which is [18:45:41] actually y’know what I wouldn’t be surprised at this point [18:45:55] [1/2] e [18:45:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285310716844310528/1gqtTHP.png?ex=66e9ce62&is=66e87ce2&hm=ff3130676a9fa6c52972c4b2309b9dc313aee411ffde3da1346d6581bcc70008& [18:45:56] I reallllllly wanna see the codebase of this thing [18:46:22] it is glorious [18:46:27] My brain does not comprehend the concept of emails for casual often communication well lmao [18:46:47] this will be fandom’s codebase in 2025 [18:46:57] all fandom wikis will be this [18:47:21] https://aboutus.com/File:PresentationSkills.jpg got jumpscared by a mediawiki error [18:47:26] `[4dd7ca60363b417b4ff4bd7a] /File:PresentationSkills.jpg Error from line 241 of /var/www/html/aboutus.com/extensions/LocalS3Repo/LocalS3File.php: Call to undefined method LocalS3File::getPropsFromPath()` [18:48:22] OH NO https://aboutus.com/extensions/ [18:48:27] OH NOOOOOO [18:48:35] AH HELL NAH [18:49:21] LOL [18:49:45] BURN [18:51:23] [1/2] what does this MEAN [18:51:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285312092681011271/IMG_5051.png?ex=66e9cfaa&is=66e87e2a&hm=6319c61f5cd7101a67249c1e4c89caa776f22597658f06b5200ca319ad80a205& [18:51:27] whats the issue 😭 [18:51:46] this is generally not a folder you want to be accessible [18:51:59] much less have a directory listing [18:53:03] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285312513415708722/IMG_5052.png?ex=66e9d00f&is=66e87e8f&hm=cd913149073065d4eb3272297e3c916beb44f77debacc99a9560deb6a10ca1ad& [18:53:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285312513826619402/IMG_5053.png?ex=66e9d00f&is=66e87e8f&hm=f24167b463b0b29ecf0bd7081c31495cd5e0fc1427a3a1b1fabe572daa6338ff& [18:53:06] you can’t make this shit up [18:53:12] I am SAD [18:53:24] that I lack the ABILITY TO MAKE THIS SHIT UP [18:54:24] https://aboutus.com/why_in_the_flying_fuck_does_it_let_you_start_page_titles_with_lowercase_letters [18:54:43] This is the most fucking normal thing about it [18:54:47] Wait [18:54:50] It wouldn’t [18:54:52] Let me see [18:55:10] https://aboutus.com/why does it think sitemap.xml is a company domain 😭 [18:55:16] wtf [18:55:19] how did I paste that [18:55:39] [1/2] WHY IS THERE AN UNDERSCORE [18:55:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285313168310009888/IMG_5054.png?ex=66e9d0ab&is=66e87f2b&hm=e3b5d0b3a61d028fa7c69a442a8b6f6cab1b153e23f7609d77d1b84a4162767e& [18:55:55] DOES THAT WORK? [18:56:42] My post didn’t send that’s annoying [18:56:44] [1/2] so lemme get this straight [18:56:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285313439635607665/IMG_5055.png?ex=66e9d0eb&is=66e87f6b&hm=2b615a79bb5cd435932697fcf466329c209af8664d1a164324cc017f694a5043& [18:57:11] you have to be an admin to edit pages but you have to be emailconfirmed to edit pages but you have to have an account to edit pages [18:57:15] WHICH ONE IS IT [18:57:19] @theresnotime hey friend do you wanna fall into the depths of despair check this out! [18:57:33] all three [18:57:50] I think you have to be an admin to create pages [18:58:02] bc it makes em automatically [18:58:23] and you then have to be emailconfirmed and logged in to edit them [18:59:24] https://aboutus.com/miraheze.org [18:59:29] this is distressing [18:59:44] https://aboutus.com/karmel.miraheze.org [19:00:01] [1/2] what does this mean [19:00:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285314264504078347/7iZsKqI.png?ex=66e9d1b0&is=66e88030&hm=5acaf8a1c406932310eb673fec0715ba70e2cd37a29143e4f59274cb5317fc4a& [19:00:22] and why is there a comma instead of a dot [19:00:34] the image doesn’t load for you [19:00:46] it’s a pharmacy I think [19:00:51] like a dingy small one [19:00:56] ???? [19:00:59] `This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS.` [19:01:16] good wiki [19:01:22] well configured [19:02:15] anytime from now on when anyone says “man I wish MediaWiki was easier, it’s the hardest thing ever” or “it’s so clunky” or whatever I’ll just send them this [19:04:46] https://aboutus.com/orain.org [19:04:52] no way this exists on here [19:05:34] https://wikis.world/@PixDeVl/113148789800544680 [19:05:59] Looks auto generated [19:06:36] @groupnebula563_0765 send this in the mediawiki discord lmao [19:11:49] there’s like five people active there [19:11:55] you can do it :P [19:20:34] https://mastodon.social/@GroupNebula563/113148841653237090 [19:20:38] provided context [19:34:57] I love when -1 contributors are editing my wiki [19:37:41] https://aboutus.com/icons/ [19:37:53] this is the gift that just keeps on giving [19:39:12] do they just not protect any directories [19:41:20] yes https://aboutus.com/.htaccess [19:48:56] Now I REALLY wanna try reading the files directly [19:53:35] @pixldev we aren't the only server w/ wikiteam bot? or like, is there's a way to avoid both discord and python installation now? [19:54:37] I don’t know of any other servers using the bot (CC @digitaldragon ) there is an IRC bot running on hacknet I think the network was called? [19:57:00] no other servers using the bot at the moment, there is `#wikibot` on `irc.hackint.org` though [19:58:37] you can add the bot to your own server but you need to have permissions to use it here for it to work [19:59:01] oh yea its hard coded i forgot [19:59:01] mb [19:59:43] soooooo [20:00:09] should I just wink/nudge at tumblr folks to join this server to scrap files [20:00:22] or we aren't allowed to do that lol [20:00:29] That works for me [20:00:34] what are we scraping? [20:01:07] fandom ofc [20:01:17] I'm writing a guide of sorts [20:01:42] “How to get the heck out of WikiDodge [20:02:34] Not sure how happy people here will be with all the requests but I'm fine with it on the bot side [20:03:01] If it’s not disruptive I have no issue [20:03:09] Always happy to help the refugees [20:03:37] I can handle them myself probably since I’m the one who’s used it the most [20:03:55] Plus if they’re moving here even better [20:04:17] Hi agent [20:05:06] Wait oh yeah you weren’t here when we added @WikiBot I forgot. Mb [20:05:14] I have a list of every(ish) fandom wiki but it's too big to do a "let's just grab every wiki" on lol [20:05:27] understandable lol [20:06:06] Fandom claims they have over 300,000 wikis which is insane [20:06:21] I wonder if there's ever been a full dump of all Fandom wikis [20:06:26] at least, one that's been done recently [20:06:41] doubtful [20:06:52] Not that we’re in the place to judge but, how many of them are of quality. Or active [20:07:06] I suspect they suffer from what we do [20:07:18] Any wiki farm [20:07:22] 90% are junk or stubs, 5% are meh, 5% are good [20:07:25] There was one but it's old [20:07:38] [1/2] they apparently have issues w/ generation since Feb too [20:07:39] [2/2] [20:08:02] their dumps aren't public we have to scrape them [20:09:27] they don't seem hostile to scraping at least [20:10:16] that's good [20:10:34] Miraheze can't image scrape on behalf of migrating wikis because their ToU prohibits it [20:10:42] but I don't think anyone's ever been banhammered because of that [20:12:19] TIL pt wikinews Is largely then en [20:28:32] [1/2] The walls are very thin [20:28:32] [2/2] There's so much chatter outside [20:41:04] The wiki is stuffed with spam, adulterated with ads and croved in crud: 😆 https://aboutus.com/Special:AllPages such a lot of spam [20:43:02] https://aboutus.com/HIDDEN found another internal error [20:44:23] https://aboutus.com/0--ayoushouldvisitungoogledotorgforrealgooddomainsatcheapprices.info lol [20:44:50] Read that as "the dumpser fire wiki" [21:09:01] they have it way way worse I'm willing to bet [21:09:09] beyond even just extrapolating our numbers [21:09:45] no bar for creation, no supervision unless specifically reported, haphazard response to troublesome topics unless it's what fandom wants to smack in a given time period [21:33:25] ive made the newspeak dictionary but now i've lost alot of interest [21:33:26] aaaaaaaa [22:02:19] Most likely but the fact that they have substantially more real wikis makes up for it. [22:05:09] they do remain the juggernaut platform [22:05:49] Fandom closes daily probably the amount of wikis we approve in a month [22:07:28] I spent nearly a decade there before I disabled my account [22:07:33] that was fun [22:09:10] I don't mind Fandom as a platform, its the company thats the issue. [22:09:53] I agree I also hated how compared to here it wasn't very customizable [22:10:46] The company's like any other corporation, they don't really care [22:14:28] That’s insane [22:14:47] We have a hundred requests in queue at a time! [22:16:52] Yeah but their criteria for closure is enforced more than ours also so [22:18:04] I really dislike Fandom anymore [22:18:19] short of stretching what we close for, our criteria is plain looser than fandom it seems [22:18:37] or would it be, stricter [22:18:55] technically we could close whatever but enforcement has always leaned more tolerant [22:19:25] what we specifically disallow and close for seems more narrow than fandom which deals with the extra whammy of stuff just being opened whenever anyway [22:20:46] yeah I can imagine [22:23:42] Note that Fandom now reviews every single wiki that is opened on the Platform, so there's that. [22:23:54] so cool [22:24:07] It's probably unnatural how much I dislike them [22:25:12] do they do that now, interesting [22:25:13] Meh [22:25:18] I don't follow them so meh [22:25:36] personally I dislike the company and have some underlying misgivings of the platform [22:25:40] I was once editor of the month somehow [22:25:40] As I say, the company yeah, the platform is okay (and probably far better that Miraheze from a technical standpoint) [22:25:45] but I suppose the reason for both is hand in ahnd [22:25:51] Like somehow I was [22:25:54] lol [22:26:05] 'better' is a relative term I think [22:26:18] more stable? probably, they have more paid people to put out fires and all that [22:26:22] But then eventually I left the wiki was on [22:26:34] and disabled my account [22:26:34] miraheze is scrappy by nature, the argument lies in flexibility tbh [22:27:10] True, but Miraheze still lacks a lot of the stuff Fandom has had for over a decade, such as clustering, domain redirects etc [22:27:34] actually it's a full win for them, they definitely have the developers to keep things steady and keep stable. They can plug in more bells and whistles where we're still more tacked on as we get people able to do things just doing them here and there [22:27:55] so more polished I would grant, though the habit of running out of date isn't great [22:28:17] I was once a lot more active as an editor than I am now [22:28:20] Theres also the fact they have an idea of what they're doing. Miraheze is kind of just existing [22:28:21] in a lot of things they seem to want to reinvent the wheel [22:28:35] Putting out fires where they're found but theres no moving forward from my perspective [22:29:01] fandom has a company with a direction for better or worse and pays people to fulfill it [22:29:11] must be nice [22:29:22] miraheze has dudes chilling on a board trying to lure nerds into tech who are of age [22:29:28] lol [22:29:43] + time etc [22:29:49] Yes, but im not talking about having the ability to execute a plan, I'm talking about having one incthe first place, irrespective of the resources to enact said plan. [22:29:50] the fact that I'm closer to 30 now is baffling [22:29:55] it's both [22:29:57] There is no vision for Miraheze, its just there. [22:30:16] miraheze does have a lack of clearly laid vision, and what is consistently wanted is just bottlenecked [22:30:41] centrally laid vision I'd posit as there are various people who have takes where to go on this or that aspect, but it's rarely centralized [22:30:54] and that does not reflect in a unanimous direction appearing from the board [22:31:11] Sometimes I wonder what actually goes on in board meetings because it doesn't seem to be anything substansive [22:31:37] there are things that have consistently popped out of each of them, even if the steps have been slow over time [22:33:18] I don't see the minutes but an assortment of policy amendments/discussion and lab as president seem to have been the big things [22:33:52] prior to that produced a start on data protection training [22:34:05] Which still doesn't seem to have materialised [22:34:11] Labster the epic meteoroloist [22:34:30] the career I wanted to pursue at one point [22:34:38] it seems to me some level of progress is there, but highly unadvertised and does not correspond to a timeline of sorts [22:35:03] that is part of why I would like to see regular updates that go over what's up, what's coming, what's done even if that's on a quarterly basis [22:35:48] start with some goals, follow up with their completion and a few more, and so on [22:36:12] Interesting [22:36:17] that would be cool yeah [22:37:16] . [22:37:49] period [22:38:41] This year is probably the least active I've been on wikis in a long time [22:50:07] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1285372171035873372/xp.png?ex=66ea079e&is=66e8b61e&hm=0bf95ac450eeb076d6cc8f356f7fc86dc2e03e1e90f67b4d7292d7d14271aafa& [22:51:23] LOL [22:51:29] rip [22:53:39] yep, to the best of my knowledge, this was discussed at the Board meeting [22:54:16] Board's role is more trying to oversee the internals of the project, many things which aren't always publicly visible [22:54:39] still not sure if it was something I did that made him post a period [23:00:01] you know what just occurred to me [23:00:29] we need an account that just posts cursed MediaWiki instances after what happened a couple hours ago [23:00:36] huh [23:01:24] oh did you not see it [23:01:29] I don't believe so [23:01:35] oooh the pokemon theme [23:01:39] my favorite [23:01:57] start reading here [23:02:08] okay [23:03:39] LOL [23:03:42] wow that's cursed [23:04:00] Special:Version doesn't exist [23:04:02] that's so bizzare [23:04:31] [1/2] The board should be sharing a public plan of how they aim to improve Miraheze, something I have not seen yet from them. [23:04:31] [2/2] Actually, I haven't seen much from them. [23:05:30] id follow [23:05:37] me too [23:06:35] As much as appricate all of our volunteers especially our stewards and tech people on the board, in this capacity I can’t disagree [23:07:14] I know if I was more active things could've ended up differently for me [23:07:17] but meh [23:07:32] I'm kind of glad it did in a way [23:07:44] (And that is not hate to anyone on the board, that is) [23:07:48] The only actual specific push for getting new volunteers(which isn’t much admittedly) was from the community [23:08:00] :thistbh: absolutely [23:08:05] lol [23:08:17] This year has been an all-time low for me [23:08:23] regarding wikis [23:08:25] and editing [23:08:40] sorry to hear that :( [23:08:59] It's fine I just don't have the drive I once did [23:09:23] I guess it was bound to happen eventually [23:09:24] lol [23:10:05] Most of my activity is patrolling occasional edits on my wiki [23:11:34] Too bad Miraheze wasn't a thing in 2013 or 2014...I was so much more active then [23:26:19] . [23:45:24] dot [23:53:24] dog done it again