[00:10:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> Fandom turned 20
[00:29:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> selling out while still in your teenage years, wow
[00:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> WhT
[00:38:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> 20 is not teenager
[01:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272, replying to agentisai> :NahIdwin:  nah I kirb
[01:01:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yoshi459292927370272> Kidnap
[04:03:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven, replying to pixldev> i think they mean when it was first sold out
[04:09:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> when the actual "Fandom" thing started tho? 2013? 2016?
[04:14:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> 2016 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom_(website)#2016%E2%80%932018:_Fandom_brand>
[04:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> sometimes in my dreams i still see wikia then i wake up
[04:16:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> so that's 8 years
[04:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> man.
[04:16:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> anyways, so it sold out at 12 years old
[06:50:56] <BlankEclair>	 TheresNoTime: have you drank water and had something to eat?
[10:04:25] <BlankEclair>	 https://bash.toolforge.org/quip/AcP1K34Ba_6PSCT9PONj; smh that's just a more primitive version of JDSL
[12:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Bring back wikia
[12:45:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Wiki cites
[13:18:58] <BlankEclair>	 why are wikipedia templates like this (test install of the rainverse wiki): https://files.catbox.moe/y6v8jy.png
[13:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> evil
[13:28:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I think that Wikipedia is the worst example of how to organise/structure (or even use) a wiki
[13:28:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I think they are kinda just stuck with it now given how deep they're in
[13:29:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Also amazes me that they dont have some wiki farm management extension
[13:31:39] <BlankEclair>	 why am i debugging wikitext behaviour
[13:33:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> So you're parsing the parser, you say... 🤔
[13:33:26] <BlankEclair>	 lmao
[13:35:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> I once showed off CreateWiki to a Wikimedian and I recall them saying god I wish we had something like this for new projects
[13:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Heheh
[13:36:31] <BlankEclair>	 why does the leading hashtag here cause a newline? https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?wpInput={{User%3ABlankEclair%2FTemplate%2FParserWeird+|+1%3Dawawa}}%0D%0A%0D%0A{{User%3ABlankEclair%2FTemplate%2FParserWeird+|+1%3D%23awawa}}
[13:36:31] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:User%253ABlankEclair%252FTemplate%252FParserWeird%2b 
[13:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> I think they tried it briefly with YAML in 1.38 but it never really took off (because you still had to configure it beforehand so it was not really dynamic)
[13:37:40] <BlankEclair>	 wait, i don't even need to make it a template: https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates?wpInput=A{{%23if%3A1|awawa}}B%0D%0A%0D%0AA{{%23if%3A1|%23awawa}}B
[13:37:40] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%2523if%253A1 
[14:14:43] <BlankEclair>	 chat i actually found a bug in mediawiki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T375083
[14:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m scared of you
[14:39:48] <BlankEclair>	 me too
[14:53:22] <BlankEclair>	 actually it's intended behavior, oops
[14:57:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Mojang?
[15:09:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Crazy situation happening in my country: yesterday, a bunch of pagers exploded, injuring thousands, and now walkie talkies have exploded today, injuring hundreds
[15:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> (Not intended to be a political discussion)
[15:15:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Youre Lebanese?
[15:15:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Oh yeah didn't saw profile 😂
[15:16:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> jesus
[15:25:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> I mean that's quite creative
[15:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Horrifically creative but still
[15:46:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Even phone and computer
[15:46:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> What
[15:46:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> How do they even do that
[16:05:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> this is why the US has generic warnings about electronic interference I'm pretty sur
[16:06:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I mean, I heard tales about viruses which can overheat CPU back in school lol
[16:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [1/2] Does anyone know if you need permission to use the MediaWiki logo in something AWB/Pywikipedia adjacent? 
[16:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> [2/2] Commons is really confusing because it is supposedly licensed under CCBYSA 4 but also Trademarked?
[16:17:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> My brain doesn't understand how something can be both CCBYSA and Trademarked lmao
[16:25:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> maybe Ro can tell
[17:20:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> I've been trying Godot today since there wasn't much to do in uni
[17:21:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Been following a tutorial and it feels much more pleasant than python
[17:37:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to originalauthority> copyright and trademarks are completely different things... I don't understand the interactions between the two legally though, so can't advise
[17:38:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But theoretically if i took the mediawiki logo and adapted it and released it under the same license (as allowed by CCBYSA) doesn't that make the trademark null and void?
[17:39:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Maybe I'll just email the wikimedia foundation lol
[18:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> No
[18:09:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Trademarks protect the name / brand
[18:09:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Copyright protects the product made
[18:09:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> At a crappy level
[18:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> > A trademark is a word, symbol, design, or phrase that denotes a specific product and differentiates it from similar products.
[18:11:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> > Copyrights protect “original works of authorship,” such as writings, art, architecture, and music
[18:11:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> From https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/111014/patents-trademarks-and-copyrights-basics.asp#:~:text=What%20Is%20the%20Difference%20Between,protects%20original%20works%20of%20authorship.
[18:11:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Does that make sense @originalauthority
[18:13:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Also https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark
[18:21:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Yes i read that trademark policy but it doesn't really give much information about the mediawiki logo
[18:22:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Only talks about wikimedia logo et al, nothing about the mediawiki logo
[18:22:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Doesn't really make it any clearer lol I'm gonna email them
[18:23:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Hopefully they'll answer
[18:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> What do you want to do with it
[18:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority I think it was you talking about the JavaScript trademark
[18:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Someone has applied to have it cancelled for non use
[18:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I am working on an awb adjacent bot editor thing because i primarily edit on mac and i dont wabt to go through the trouble of wine
[18:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/09/17/oracle_urged_to_surrender_javascript_trademark/
[18:26:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> So i just wanna use it in that
[18:26:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> Yeah
[18:26:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It should be fine for that I suspect
[18:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Big red moment
[18:26:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But ye legal will know
[18:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I don't think they will give up the TM though
[18:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Well they could loose it anyway
[18:28:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Trademarks protect a brand so if it's not been used then it's invalid
[18:29:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I think part of why they have kept it so long is to protect against Microsoft
[18:29:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Which already tried to introduce its own JavaScript back in the day iirc
[18:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Ironically named JScript
[18:30:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> > [Microsoft] did not want to deal with Sun Microsystems about the trademark issue, and so they called their implementation JScript. A lot of people think that JScript and JavaScript are different but similar languages. That's not the case. They are just different names for the same language, and the reason the names are different was to get around trademark issues.
[18:51:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to originalauthority> There was a missed opportunity to name it MicroScript
[18:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <iixdeadknockerxii> Jsoft
[21:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hm https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TimmyQuivy/Fandom_Publishes_New_Policy_Regarding_Offensive_Language
[21:14:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> kinda would have expected that to have existed already
[21:15:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [1/2] I mean, our version of it is this one line from Content Policy:
[21:15:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> [2/2] > No spreading insults, hate, or rumors; or promoting violence or harassment against a person or group of people.
[21:18:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Yeah, I can't think of anything we missed.  It's not the words themselves we want to censor, it's the result of the words which is subject to censorship.
[21:19:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah
[21:19:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> They felt differently I guess
[21:19:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> goes in line w/ recent shutdowns?
[21:20:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> In other news. Looks like my local library system approved my request to purchase a copy of the 2024 D&D players handbook wooooo
[21:20:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> It's easier to have clearer guidelines, more tools for mods.
[21:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> And I’m automatically first in line for hold
[21:20:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] > On Fandom, users can create wikis on many topics, even ones with mature themes like violence, sexuality, and profanity
[21:20:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] ❌  Doubt
[21:21:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Easy guidelines like "throw out the bathwater" are common in social network moderation.
[21:22:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Probably a by-product of the community not being part of the moderation team.
[21:22:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .labster> What about the baby
[21:22:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well, another thing to add to my big post in making (please pray for me lol)
[21:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> No, nothing in the policy about a baby
[21:24:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I always think of Final Pam ...
[22:26:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> I gained like twelve gigs or something just by unistalling Xcode lmao
[23:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @raidarr I think you can remove my access to announcements prime by now
[23:16:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We can readd if edit is needed
[23:17:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1286103746740359178/image0.gif?ex=66ecb0f3&is=66eb5f73&hm=84d54087a3523e1376d7e6c405b50083062c0a488c93bef4650dd70fb22e7534&
[23:59:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to pixldev> "Graphic, detailed description of violence [is not allowed]" ... that may be an issue for the Fandom creepypasta wikis such as one I'm trying to get migrated here