[00:12:05] https://opensourcepledge.com this is pretty cool [02:06:53] ive seen what i never before thought i would [02:07:07] a tiktok video linked on a task on WMF Phab [02:07:12] what a day [02:08:13] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T330322 [02:38:31] I wanted to know one thing who has the access to Miraheze Servers and all Root and specially all Technical Things does it have a single owner who functions this all? [02:39:41] There isn’t one single owner of Miraheze or else they’d have to do too much [02:39:55] See [[Tech:Volunteers]] for a list of people who can log in to the servers [02:39:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Volunteers [02:39:56]

[02:40:35] not everyone who has shell access has root access though [02:40:43] .labster: is sad now [02:40:59] De jure dictator [02:41:17] <.labster> 😢 [02:42:31] Ok only they have access and is Miraheze using Colocation server's? [02:43:04] we're in a datacenter yea [02:43:32] but the data center staff shouldn’t be snooping in either way [02:44:01] Data center? [02:44:21] <.labster> contrary to popular belief, the servers are not in my basement [02:44:24] if they are can we sue them into oblivian [02:44:27] anymore* [02:44:49] Miraheze has its own Data center so is it Miraheze own or is it in rent? [02:45:24] Rented [02:45:36] not enough donations for our own owned property [02:46:22] Ohh yes it requires lots of money for my own server so how can I donate to Miraheze. [02:46:35] I'm interested in donating from a company. [02:47:39] [[Donate]] has some options available [02:47:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Donate [02:47:40]

[02:47:47] All donations are very much appreciated [02:48:24] How much can I donate are there any limits? [02:48:38] No limits [02:49:03] just dont make yourself broke plz [02:49:44] (seriously if you want to and can donate by all means its welcome but if you aren't in a good financial state in your own life don't feel you need to) [02:49:58] And why is there only PayPal I can't use my card. [02:50:32] Well, there’s GitHub Sponsors which lets you use your card [02:50:37] Also Ko-Fi does as well [02:50:42] and Donorbox… [02:50:46] Actually I have a very good financial condition that is why I'm talking about donations. [02:51:28] If I hadn't sufficient amount I wouldn't move forward on donating and I think my donation means for Miraheze. [02:51:34] Ok [02:55:47] <.labster> While there are no limits on what you can donate, please contact us if you want to donate anything around $1000 and up. There may be ways for us to avoid transaction fees. [02:56:51] <.labster> For small donations, we're generally fine paying the fees for convenience for everyone involved. [03:05:17] Ok [04:12:14] [1/2] I remade my landing site :D [04:12:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1295237709031407666/w.png?ex=670deb9e&is=670c9a1e&hm=7487200b6e7fb4ab2983a642cdfe8b3edb300ab6bd17d739fc6200efa5f38e89& [04:25:38] I forked from Weird Gloop's old site, but I may do something else to it later on [04:28:48] I can see the resemblance :pgfacehepithinking: [12:47:18] [1/2] stumbled on this Wikipedia fork while looking for info about legendary Belgian nightclub [12:47:18] [2/2] https://www.artandpopularculture.com/ [12:48:45] https://www.artandpopularculture.com/The_Art_and_Popular_Culture_Encyclopedia:About [15:22:35] MediaWiki 1.6? That's a big "Yikes", especially when the latest version is 1.42 [15:23:32] mediawiki version older than miraheze itself [15:36:15] iirc indie 2d worms wiki is on 1.2 [15:36:25] or 1.21 [15:36:30] something like that [15:37:20] Wikia/Fandom was on like version 1.16 for so long [15:38:57] right [15:58:44] New record [17:03:13] heh, not to mention very outdated versions of PHP and MariaDB to go with it [17:03:43] also copyright date says 2006 [17:06:11] I love a wiki older then me [17:21:05] lol [17:21:08] I was 9 then wow [17:21:14] such simpler times [17:33:21] Starting to think I'm getting old. [17:37:37] wikipedia [17:38:48] <_arawynn> I was 13 in 2006 XD [17:39:14] I was 3 [17:42:24] Wikipedia isn't older than me but it was close [17:45:56] fandom just randomly deleted my other wiki with zero warning so that’s awesome [17:46:08] [1/2] karma at work I guess [17:46:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1295442535258521714/IMG_5445.png?ex=670eaa60&is=670d58e0&hm=4f3e7a113b08da52215c8df73f5233339f4af0c9524509712c7eb6cefddcb3ff& [17:46:14] no I will not report it [17:46:19] they can deal with this themselves [17:46:58] I wanted to say this thing so bad [17:47:07] karma's a b- [17:52:42] yes it is [17:53:40] https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Buy_Adderall_Online_In_United_States [17:56:41] https://archive.ph/vYHaf [18:02:42] Yaaaaaaay [18:03:17] lol [18:05:53] one of their shills will [18:07:08] this just means that they have a bot problem [18:07:31] chances are it’ll start spreading to other wikis’ forums as well [18:08:15] [1/2] HAHAHAHAH [18:08:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1295448099875193005/IMG_5446.png?ex=670eaf8f&is=670d5e0f&hm=c43c624374453f491028e778a05f1b52809bfb91593d139affbe8e832da3da7e& [18:08:28] THE SPAM FILTER TAGGED IT BUT DIDN'T REMOVE IT [18:10:02] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1295448544991383632/IMG_5447.png?ex=670eaff9&is=670d5e79&hm=4e838b1366274aa7a8dd068e97db9d8ef283ade2aa73a2e427429718b0ba5bd8& [18:10:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1295448545427587175/IMG_5448.png?ex=670eaff9&is=670d5e79&hm=d2b65812f04273ea084dd95230608fef2a12ed7d4ad89af8ba42308514a550aa& [18:10:07] and this is why I use Miraheze [18:21:43] @owenrb to deal with https://x.com/jackfifield/status/1845870003817754675 would you potentially have to ask the court of appeal to set them all aside for being unsafe or make an act of parliament like for Horizon ? [18:21:57] I also wonder if we should scrap private prosecutions [18:22:40] We've had horizon, 74 thousand single justice procedure notices brought privately by railway firms declared null and void and this [18:26:01] ive never seens something that outdated on the internet [18:28:33] me either [18:33:24] Scrapping private prosecutions would have an adverse impact on policing resources in the railway - which is the only issue. Right now ToCs can deal with the matter internally, but taking that away would mean every ticketing issue would lead to a police response [18:34:17] More stringent oversight of it - absolutely - but scrapping would probably lead to more issues than it prevents by bringing in strong oversight [18:41:53] How do you suggest better oversight [18:43:05] The railway doesn't really need to prosecute most of these offences as well [18:43:28] If it acted like humans and just prosecuted actual persistent offenders, policing resources wouldn't be as stretched [18:44:12] The police wouldn't even get out of bed for someone boarding a train a minute early and offering to pay the fare [18:44:16] And that's a good thing [18:56:47] You'd be surprised [18:57:31] The number of times I had to go to ticket offences and it was stupid stuff like being in the wrong train was quite often [18:59:29] You mean ticket offices? [18:59:56] Northern's reply - https://x.com/NathanHyde2/status/1845895046232424524 [19:00:11] No, I mean meeting trains in at stations because someone had an invalid ticket for the train they were on [19:00:27] Where did you used to work [19:00:48] BTP [19:01:18] Was that a good use of resources or should the person just have been offered the opportunity to pay [19:01:40] It wasn't a good use of resources [19:01:40] And maybe in some cases given a penalty fare [19:01:58] So why respond [19:02:05] BTP don't need to respond [19:02:13] Because when you are told to go by the control room, you go [19:02:28] You can tell the rail companies you ain't prosecuting over small scale accidental ticketing errors [19:02:40] Issue is BTP is funded by rail companies [19:02:51] Maybe that's part of the problem [19:02:56] So if you tell them you won't prosecute, they'll stop finding you [19:03:01] BTP ain't an independent force [19:03:52] My sister once got a fine for not buying a ticket at a railway station where there was no machine and no person to buy one from lmao [19:03:57] It's one of the reasons it exists - HO forces will never respond to these [19:04:08] Yes for good reason [19:04:19] Cause they don't need to land someone with a criminal record [19:04:26] @rhinosf1 sent [19:04:38] That's not legal [19:04:50] You have to pay at the earliest opportunity [19:04:57] And have intent to evade [19:05:15] Tell that to northern 😅 [19:05:22] If your sister told the guard at the earliest opportunity that they needed to pay then it's not legal [19:05:32] I mean travelling without paying is fraud [19:05:34] @originalauthority was it a penalty fare or a prosecution? [19:05:41] So it a criminal offence [19:05:58] Well yes but what is the alternative? Not travel because they didnt provide a way to purchase a ticket? [19:06:01] Not if you never claimed to have paid [19:06:16] You absolutely can buy on board [19:06:23] It's fraud at the moment you refuse to pay [19:06:28] Well yes [19:06:31] I never said she refused to pay? [19:06:37] But @originalauthority's sister didn't refuse to pay [19:06:39] I said there was no way to buy a ticket.... [19:06:41] I wasn't commenting on this case OA [19:06:44] Oh [19:06:50] My bad [19:06:58] I was commenting generally on why it should be responded to by police [19:06:59] But yes, in general it would be covered by another offence [19:07:15] Regulation of Railways Act could be repealed in its entirety [19:07:46] Section 5 only creates an offence of failure to produce that isn't covered by something else and that's a bit bull anyway [19:08:04] The police don't respond to every crime though [19:08:12] But for the above case, yes a penalty fare shouldn't have been issued [19:08:30] @originalauthority it's highly likely you could appeal that if it's a penalty fare [19:08:44] It's not a valid penalty fare [19:09:09] It was in like 2018 idk what happened to it i think they allowed her to pay a fine [19:09:31] Fine or penalty fare [19:09:36] They would be different [19:09:42] I assume you mean penalty fare [19:09:48] And it wasn't a criminal conviction [19:10:00] I mean either way it's still invalid [19:11:59] @owenrb what other offences ignoring the railway that are usually privately prosecuted actually need to be? [19:12:30] TV licensing should be a civil matter and if you lied anyway clicking the BBC iPlayer prompt then surely that's fraud [19:13:07] DVLA probably get a lot of reports from the police anyway for no Tax / MOT etc [19:13:18] me every day [19:14:12] Tbh even railway stuff could not be privately prosecuted. Now I think about it, penalty fares can be issued (then taken down civil routes) and refusal to provide would just then require police attendance - but these are likely anyway to end in arrest and CPS involvement so actually no private prosecutions realistically need to exist [19:15:04] Anything other than DVLA + TV licensing that bring them I've missed? [19:15:30] On another note, when's your interview with DWP? [19:15:32] I don't think so - probably some niche ones somewhere [19:15:35] It was DWP wasn't it [19:15:50] I mean anyone can bring one but the big users probably not [19:16:04] Post Office were a big one and we know how that went [19:18:19] Well i had the first round which was like a first sift, nothing too big, and they said theyre interviewing until the end of october and then putting people through to a second round in November so I'm just waiting to find out if i got through [19:19:18] So now you get the fun of civil service recruitment [19:19:30] November could easily mean Feb tbh [19:19:50] I went 3 months between interviews I think [19:20:10] Yeah, its not meant to start until feb/march iirc anyway [19:20:45] Sounds about right tbh [19:20:53] We're really slow at onboarding [19:21:10] It's actually a bit of a joke [19:22:29] How did you feel it went @originalauthority [19:24:36] As well as I could expect tbf, they just asked me about my programming experience, favourite language and small questions like that. Wasn't too stressful [19:25:35] Good [19:25:58] Hopefully I can get to see you on slack eventually @originalauthority [19:26:19] Then I can laugh about some of the posts with someone else [19:26:32] Who actually sees it [19:27:07] Yeah hopefully they get their arses into gear and get back to me [19:27:21] They won't get their arse in gear [19:27:26] They'll get back to you though [19:53:41] I'm generally fine with sharing the submission form! But as you mention, best to make it clear about the quality requirement (which typically only forking wikis, who bring over their entire communities, will meet). [19:54:31] True. We are adding a thingy that asks if it’s a fork or such, so maybe hide the link behind that [19:54:42] Or notify them on creation? [20:39:27] [1/2] so, that kiwi browser is chromium based rip (also ads?) [20:39:27] [2/2] anyone knows firefox based w/ similar funcionality? [20:39:57] There's Firefox for Android [20:40:10] yeah but I was talking about [20:40:25] being able to use web tools lol [20:40:51] if normal android firefox was capable of that I'd be poking css from phone already lol [20:41:19] (won't happen tho, rather do on table) [20:47:55] Either sounds good to me! [20:50:15] Hm, @reception123 what say you? [21:04:17] I don't know of any development oriented firefox forks for android [21:04:31] don't think mull has anything like that and it's the only major fork on there I know of [23:00:18] my overly complicated gradient signature stopped rendering properly on my laptop [23:00:20] oof [23:03:42] how much of an issue would a possible influx of mostly bad but some good applications be? [23:09:10] Not too bad, spot-checking submissions doesn't take too long. If we get good submissions in a mix of mostly bad, it's worth it IMO. [23:10:33] agreed [23:10:44] WORST case [23:10:59] Outsource to nook industries [23:11:13] I’m sure tommy or timmy would be happy to do it [23:11:25]