[04:08:07] https://youtu.be/7Ou9YuLYkbE interesting video [04:08:27] may move to proton, or consider diving full into self hosting [04:39:15] after first big sanctions kremlin made a law that everyone should migrate to "russian made" stuff, but since there's not a lot of purely russian made things, like 1C, people started forking foss stuff, like systems using ms sql now should me converted to russian fork of postgre sql [04:42:20] [1/2] I'm actually about to go through this update at my work lol [04:42:20] [2/2] and lemme tell you, I don't wanna fuck w/ linux cli [04:47:22] unless someone will persuade our bosses to get proper gui manager installed [04:47:50] Yeah, I'm not fully convinced about how effective the sanctions are either, especially since Russia has its BRICS friends anyway [04:48:19] boy, you gotta see how much chinese cars are there now [04:48:32] like, fucking loads [04:49:22] There's so few in Europe that I can't even name one Chinese car brand [04:49:27] I'm not even sure if I've seen a Chinese car before [04:52:14] I can name few I knew before invasion actually, but now even more appeared and I recognise only one of them, mostly because they have massive marketing, ads and shit everywhere [05:37:16] That... is actually an interesting piece of local information I did not know before today. [05:37:42] Neat anecdotal macroeconomics [05:58:49] funniest thing is that Russia's own autoprom is still in shambles [06:00:35] [1/2] the only thing that was done and realized "to replace foreign products" since 2014 is Mir bank card system [06:00:35] [2/2] which is useless outside of Russia and like 3 or 4 other countries [06:01:54] atm I have one still functioning MC debit card, cus I got it in very late 2021, and another card was remade from Visa to Mir on expiry [06:02:39] but even then, that MC card is still useless [06:02:58] sunce MC and Visa cut out Russia from global system [06:03:39] Hmm, so if someone from Russia wants to pay for a foreign service how would they? [06:04:36] get a card in foreign bank, some machinations w/ paying via different service, like people do now w/ Steam, or crypto [06:06:45] until this year QIWI wallet was a loophole, particularly used for Steam, cus it let juggle w/ Kazakhstan currency between accounts, but it got shutdown by Kremlin [06:08:09] some people who left and now move between countries rely on crypto [06:08:22] I mean those who aren't able to settle [06:08:38] some people go proper emigration [06:09:53] also saw in the news couple of days ago that apparently if you get a card in foreign bank you should let russian tax organs know and send them data [06:15:01] I can only guess if you get foreign citizenship and then get a card in that country's bank w/ it, you don't own Russia anything, but at this point I don't know what to expect [06:16:29] new law in discussions rn is to let gov arrest stuff of people who break Russian laws overboard, like talking about the war in a way not approved by Kremlin [06:16:45] dissidents are prime target here ofc [07:00:57] <.labster, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Any chance that you'll be going this route? [07:01:14] <.labster> On another topic... soooo clooose: [07:01:25] <.labster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1298904166177177710/image.png?ex=671b4245&is=6719f0c5&hm=07a8e6871bdf1447fe017b1878b12fcd0541856ee629acf2936e250e76ab7807& [07:02:31] <.labster> Knowing me I'll say something dumb and dip back below 10k soon enough [07:04:25] [1/2] I don't have a lot of options [07:04:26] [2/2] there's a chance/hope, but I don't wanna jinx it [07:07:15] <.labster> Let me know if you need help. I know a lot of Russian programmers from other jobs, really great guys (and one lady). Most of them made it to the US or Europe before the, uh, special operation. [07:07:43] <.labster> I might not be able to help, but maybe my friends know things. [07:07:52] thanks [11:03:08] [1/10] It was in the Dutch news yesterday, how China and Russia need eachother economically. [11:03:08] [2/10] ```Sino-Russian trade is twofold: Moscow supplies oil and gas that it can no longer sell in Europe due to sanctions, while Beijing mainly exports products that used to come from the West. [11:03:08] [3/10] For example, China's car exports to Russia increased by a factor of thirty between 2019 and 2024, according to figures from Chinese customs. Electronics and toys are also in great demand. [11:03:09] [4/10] Due to the situation around Taiwan, tensions between America and China are increasing. But because America also has to keep an eye on the war that Russia is fighting in Ukraine, the chance that America will quickly escalate with China seems small. In that sense, China has an interest in Russia not heading for an economic collapse. [11:03:09] [5/10] Russia is also an important trading partner for Xi if the West ever imposes sanctions on China. "So China is looking for other trading partners, of which Russia is one." If the Taiwan situation does lead to war, Beijing will retain overland supply lines through Russia that the US Navy cannot interfere with.```, https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/25418 [11:03:09] [6/10] 48-waarom-poetin-en-xi-elkaar-economisch-steeds-meer-vasthouden [11:03:09] [7/10] They also want a new payment system as Russia has been excluded from the World Trade Market. [11:03:10] [8/10] ```The BRICS countries have had that plan for some time, but Putin is now putting extra speed behind it. [11:03:10] [9/10] In addition to Putin, Xi Jinping would also be in favor of it: "Because China thinks: perhaps we will also have to deal with these kinds of sanctions one day."``` [11:03:10] [10/10] So your account doesn't come as a surprise to me. China jumps in the vacuum, left by the West. [11:07:32] Apparently Putin is also bringing in North Korean soldiers to fight in Ukraine... [11:08:13] BRICS is kind of scary, maybe the deal with North Korea is that they'll be able to join eventually [11:19:40] but life here will stay ass lol, no matter all the big words big people will stay as beneficiaries [11:20:34] also honestly didn't mean to escalate the convo, I'm sick of hearing about brics irl [11:26:18] The only issue with BRICS is russia. [11:28:58] Indeed. The others are just jumping in the hole that the West left wide open. [12:27:11] Likely not cars but many stuffs like microwave are just Chinese stuffs slapped with some Western brand [12:32:49] Well, I know many other stuffs like computer PSUs are also from China [12:33:22] Don't look at "Made in certain countries" unless it's actually made in US or some EU country. [12:34:11] If you see them made in "certain Asian country", it's very likely Chinese stuffs used to dodge tariffs [12:34:15] yeah, there are loads of noname brands for nearly anything [12:35:33] Well, I mean it's actually very well know (even top tier Chinese OEM), not some noname brands [12:35:49] Like microwaves are made by Midea [12:36:04] well, I say as it's far not known, overall or in different countries [12:36:54] huawei, xiaomi and lenovo by far aren't the only chinese tech making brands [12:38:32] These companies are selling their brands, not OEM for some companies. [12:38:51] I mean the companies made the hardware for the brands you know [12:39:23] ah, my bad [12:40:08] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSrVG74Emyk [12:40:09] ^ [12:43:38] And even the so called "Japanese capacitors" are also made in China these days [12:43:42] What a joke [12:51:22] I feel bad for the poor microwaves. They are so happy when they cook/reheat our food. 🙂 [12:53:28] @reception123 FYI you can visually outdent on a thread with [[template:od]] [12:53:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/template:od [12:53:29]

[12:53:51] Not just microwaves, check your camera too, maybe they were made by Dahua or Hik [12:58:09] I do not have a camera. Maybe I should start taking more pics, I do have a smartphone [13:11:49] Yea, beware of your smartphone too, camera sensor is likely made in China [13:12:55] (it's all china these days) [13:13:05] I honistly do not care where my stuff is made [13:14:04] oh, sorry, I just want to say stuffs are made in same 1 country that many people didn't know [13:14:28] and people selling them with crazy prices [13:21:37] Yes, make cheap, sell high [13:31:40] Was pondering moving to proton yesterday from google [13:31:42] https://youtu.be/UMiB5Z7n6Y8?si=KiVRPfn-IEnixTRN [13:33:12] [1/2] proton is a good email, but it got blocked in russia lol [13:33:12] [2/2] their vpn service gave up w/ russian blocks rather quickly too [13:39:10] Same, I was trying to migrate everything possible out of Google [13:39:35] And other companies like Microsoft or Adobe [13:39:38] I still need a google account though [13:39:57] My Boy Scouts troop uses google chats [13:40:02] And I loath it [13:40:05] oof [13:40:12] Even more so, because it’s my fault [13:40:31] I could not find any other platforms that allowed U13 to use them [13:40:42] And self hosting wasn’t an option [13:41:03] yea, if stuffs requires Google then you have to use them [13:41:13] I’m pretty sure google hires devs from Chernobyl [13:41:44] enshittification [13:42:15] If anyone knows one please tell me [13:42:20] Not even just that [13:42:50] Their requests to get data from the server are fucking Greek if you wanna be generous [13:42:55] The permissions system sucks [13:43:29] Ugh [13:53:50] https://posthog.com okay this is funny [13:57:34] Even have a reasons a competitor may be better for you(for now…) section [15:37:24] Would cohosting or DVPs be better for a 64 GB RAM, high end CPU server? [15:54:23] You mean dedicated server vs shared VPS. [15:55:37] [1/2] Dedicated server is for people who don't want to take full control of the system, high price but you can complain for random poor performance. [15:55:37] [2/2] Meanwhile shared VPS is cheaper. [15:58:21] Shared VPS has a problem though: oversubscribed [16:04:08] certain providers are better at not overselling than others [16:04:26] If I was willing to give up my good hardware computer, I could even co host [16:04:33] buyvm would be an example that seems to be quite responsible while contabo is one of the worst examples I've seen for overselling, and that is the big issue with vps [16:04:51] But main problem is right now I cannot load minecraft schems that was not made in the server world [16:05:05] for a minecraft server a halfway decent vps share is probably fine [16:05:15] If I cohosted I would have to "build in place" on the server [16:05:58] But I do have very good specs on my computer but it would have to be refitted into a 2U rack unit [16:06:50] wait, is minecraft that heavy? [16:07:02] The worldedit I do can crash servers [16:07:37] One build of mine is 220x150x287, so a LOT of blocks if we incule the air. [16:08:43] minecraft can run on a potato but it's not pleasant [16:09:05] and wordedit can be extremely intensive at scale [16:09:35] I LOVE building quite big [16:09:50] Are you doing like edit 10mil blocks? [16:09:59] 1GB RAM per 10m blocks [16:10:04] if atheria is building at scale a solid vps is a good idea although I wouldn't personally fork out for a dedi [16:10:50] 9471000 blocks roughly [16:12:14] [1/3] Oh sorry, 10m blocks is 3GB of RAM. [16:12:14] [2/3] Your PC has less than 8GB RAM? [16:12:15] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1299042781192257707/image.png?ex=671bc35e&is=671a71de&hm=ea67a3793dd77322749b56893999dcf7a93466630723418c1fa7ce75420cd1c0& [16:13:41] If then go buy RAM, it's cheap these days, 64GB is only like ~$100 [16:22:36] I have 64 GB RAM [16:23:15] [1/2] Weird, did it run out of memory? [16:23:15] [2/2] Slow CPU can't cause program to crash [16:24:07] It just lagged badly [16:24:13] oh [16:24:45] But tbh if I use Fast Asynic WorldEdit (FAWE) it seems I can upload schems to the server [16:25:37] Means if I was to co-locate it, I could just upload the schems somehow and then paste on the server [16:26:18] By default, minecraft java is quite unoptimized (if not the worst) [16:26:43] And you need to put performance stuffs to make it run faster [16:33:26] I think coloc may be cheaper compeared to a deadaicaed server with mny comnputer's specs [16:35:31] [1/2] well, coloc is always cheaper as you use the same hardware with other users (can cause lag on high load). [16:35:32] [2/2] dedicated = only you use the hardware [16:36:06] I mean, "bring your own server coloc" [16:36:29] My server, that I own. Not a VPS. [16:37:07] Not hiring a server from a comperny, my own hardware in their datacenter [16:37:20] oh [16:40:35] VPS is a bunch of VPSses on someonne's esle;s hardware, deadiclated server offerings seem to be "you have the server to yourself, but it is ours", Co-localation seems to be a "bring your own harrdware" deal [16:40:42] well, doesn't look cheap either unless you have really powerful hardware [16:42:58] [1/16] You know my hardware ccost like $2500 right? [16:42:59] [2/16] H/W path Device Class Description [16:42:59] [3/16] ======================================================== [16:42:59] [4/16] system Computer [16:42:59] [5/16] /0 bus Motherboard [16:43:00] [6/16] /0/0 memory 66GiB System memory [16:43:00] [7/16] /0/1 processor 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900 [16:43:00] [8/16] /0/100/6/0 /dev/nvme0 storage Seagate FireCuda 520 SSD ZP1000GM30 [16:43:01] [9/16] /0/100/6/0/0 hwmon0 disk NVMe disk [16:43:01] [10/16] /0/100/6/0/2 /dev/ng0n1 disk NVMe disk [16:43:01] [11/16] /0/100/6/0/1 /dev/nvme0n1 disk NVMe disk [16:43:02] [12/16] /0/100/8 generic 12th Gen Core Processor Gaussian & [16:43:02] [13/16] /0/100/14 bus Alder Lake-S PCH USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 XH [16:43:03] [14/16] /0/100/14.2 memory RAM memory [16:43:03] [15/16] WARNING: output may be incomplete or inaccurate, you should run this program as super-user. [16:43:04] [16/16] demon@demon-desktop:~$ [16:43:07] Part of my hardware specs [16:44:34] yea, that looks good but what about colocation cost? [16:44:38] https://pastebin.com/Bj12aFzH - full specs [16:45:06] https://www.servercolocation.uk/pages/server-colocation [16:46:39] Main problem is unsure if my hardware would fit in a 2U case [16:46:45] em... what the f is that price? [16:46:56] 0.3 amp is only 69W in the UK [16:47:34] Is theere anywheere cheaper? [16:47:42] I have no idea [16:48:38] You need at least 3U to run your PC [16:48:53] that plan is enough for running that CPU [16:49:30] 2U can use up to 115W [16:49:58] That is the cheapest provader [16:50:04] 💀 [16:50:47] and you also have to pay them 12m? [16:51:14] Well, it would be kinda wasteful to have this amazing hardware and buy a decaded server [16:51:43] I think you should slap performance mods with that kind of CPU and RAM [16:51:48] [1/2] https://hostpresto.com/colocation-hosting/ [16:51:48] [2/2] Cheaper [16:53:09] only ~10 euro reduction [16:53:34] You need at least 1A to host that server in the UK (given the UK use 230V) [16:55:09] Wait, if you use that kind of CPU and can't run worldedit then I don't think any dedicated server can' [16:55:56] server CPU are weak in single core and games usually use single core [16:56:40] I can run worldedit, it just is slow [16:58:15] [1/2] yea, servers are even slower than your CPU [16:58:16] [2/2] run some minecraft performance mod like fabric nvidium [16:58:31] I would be using my computer's parts in the server [16:58:45] Think "my computer, just reshaped to fit a 4U case" [16:59:24] em, you can't use that PC at home? [16:59:44] I would have another PC as a "client" [17:00:20] I could use it at home (the server) but I have an residental ISP and big windows [17:01:07] Oh, I mean you host the server and the client on the same client [17:01:13] Yes [17:01:34] The computer I am using right now is client and server [17:02:45] [1/3] You want to share it with your friends? [17:02:45] [2/3] If yes then maybe okay. [17:02:46] [3/3] If not then put it on server rack doesn't make it faster. [17:04:24] I think it would be okay for a small (guild or freinds only) server· The main gain would be stable internet connetion and not having it stolen [17:05:32]