[00:33:08] My saviour [00:55:28] @notaracham was bored today so I installed minecraft on my phone [00:55:32] Java edition [00:55:48] Nothing wrong with this ™️ [00:55:59] No laws of nature violated [03:52:19] right what was I saying [03:52:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301030921570488320/b0edc383ad15083bb6f3e2aefe6d9371.jpg?ex=6722fef7&is=6721ad77&hm=b2eb8982f5715f4e738ce9ef3a9f590c859a06e27f833ce1f1ccea54627dc924& [03:52:29] whoops wrong photo [03:53:04] AI is also good for automating simple but mindless busy work/boilerplate you know you can do yourself [03:53:11] [1/2] a good use for AI would be making sure that the background and text colors of your article on good uses for AI don’t match [03:53:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301031121961746432/IMG_2396.png?ex=6722ff27&is=6721ada7&hm=be304c3eb0ef6ac7a12fb53adef143bbb8fade89bace7db4f2bd3696554cd7db& [03:53:23] or giving you referances for information for you to check [03:53:31] and this is why im still on iOS 16 [03:53:43] > [30/10/2024 14:53] [1/2] a good use for AI would be making sure that the background and text colors of your article on good uses for AI don’t match [03:53:45] that feels overkill [03:53:46] I’m also still on 16 [03:53:58] it’s funnier if you look at the image [03:54:01] check text contrast on like every image batch ig [03:54:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301031348366217246/image.png?ex=6722ff5d&is=6721addd&hm=896d603c883ea9d6d6e970932336ca60909d7424a06fe58f71b6ec50a388a09e& [03:54:07] intelligen :blush: [03:54:49] ask it why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food [03:55:16] fun fact: the rainverse wiki has code specifically to meet https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/contrast-enhanced [03:56:12] you know what also meets that code [03:56:15] bare html [03:56:38] But first: the number that we are trying to find can be represented as 9x; if we add 9 to this, this expression becomes 9x + 9, which is 9(x + 1) when factored. Note the multiplication here - this means that finding a multiple of 9 that becomes prime when 9 is added to it is impossible, which also makes the riddle impossible [03:56:47] I just find it funny that we’ve made things so bad by trying to make them so good that we need to make them good again [03:56:49] it's used for https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Help:Location_colors [03:57:08] something something https://www.motherfuckingwebsite.com [03:57:46] Someone was once warned on this server for linking to that website, by the way [03:58:02] Mostly due to the name and the fact that it swears like a sailor [03:58:21] so basically, i'd be banned from this chat [03:58:27] .wiki/wiki [03:59:09] welp [03:59:36] so do I just sit here and wait for my inevitable doom or what [04:00:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301032900606562376/image.png?ex=672300cf&is=6721af4f&hm=ee784012f610998e4586800692886b993f5a8da7e1077b5314b6c9cce6ddfc1c& [04:01:18] now someone needs to start a wiki farm called dotwiki and make the subdomain for the meta wiki wiki so we can have https://wiki.dotwiki.wiki/wiki/Dotwiki_Wiki [04:01:44] the horrors [04:01:53] let us never encounter such a wiki [04:02:10] imagine trying to tell someone that URL [04:02:21] [1/2] I thought the domain would cost a lot more, but it's actually affordable [04:02:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301033429898629150/image.png?ex=6723014d&is=6721afcd&hm=bf6f2c0d4861fde0b71c49dc3db6fdcbec4d077a2e48e9a4acc3003c4fde9c96& [04:02:39] TheresNoTime: new domain for you to buy: ^ [04:02:39] brb buying the domain [04:02:53] “so the first two are periods but then the second one's the word dot- no the slashes are all the character” [04:03:12] ache tee tee pee es colon slash slash wiki dot dot wiki dot wiki forward slash wiki forward slash dotwiki capital d all together underscore wiki capital w [04:03:45] dot.wiki would be cool [04:03:54] dotwiki.wiki is a tongue twister though [04:04:22] wiki.wiki.wiki [04:04:34] you know what, fuck it [04:04:41] [1/2] A little late for that [04:04:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301034014983065651/image.png?ex=672301d9&is=6721b059&hm=91cec0fe48eae0f9ff4731f6abebe438810a0fa28d5f82c151c62264102e5f24& [04:04:42] https://wiki/wiki/wiki [04:04:47] wiki.wiki.wiki/wiki/Wiki_wiki [04:04:54] i figured [04:04:59] no good domains are available anymore [04:05:15] wiki.surf was the closest we got [04:05:48] BlankEclair: Fun fact - domains don't actually need a TLD to be operational; however, no TLDless domains have been registered due to conflicts with intranets that use TLDless domains [04:06:05] I was trying to find a relevant xkcd but I couldn’t find any [04:06:13] [1/2] this one’s pretty funny though [04:06:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301034401857142804/image0.jpg?ex=67230235&is=6721b0b5&hm=c3cdc062133b3217c95e136beca201505a2b9521734afd2336456e682744364a& [04:06:34] ME [04:08:36] average MW dev when they use ->text() or ->plain() [04:09:20] Message's __string() (or is it __tostring()) being ->parse() has singlehanded saved hundreds of potential XSSes [04:10:47] I have mixed feelings about Message not implicitly using ->escaped() or ->parse() by default [04:12:42] oh it implicitly stringifies to ->parse() [04:13:11] not sure if you all are aware of https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/ [04:13:24] it’s something I think you might find funny though [04:18:14] re dot.wiki would be cool, wiki.wiki is available, but kinda expensive [04:18:32] could also do mh.wiki [04:20:05] wiki.wiki is $6500 on namecheap (for 1 year) [04:21:46] mediawiki.wiki shows an SSL error [04:21:52] media.wiki is available [04:23:57] actually mh.wiki is taken, but doesn't have a functional webserver attached [04:48:22] the transfem urge to figure out https://github.com/cnlohr/rawdrawandroid instead of downloading android studio [04:55:52] screw it, i'll just misappropriate github for my purposes [05:03:03] Not to be a cheapskate, but we're not spending 6 and 1/2 Grand on that domain [05:13:34] Saving money doesn’t automatically make someone a cheapskate [05:26:59] [1/2] > the transfem urge to figure out https://github.com/cnlohr/rawdrawandroid instead of downloading android studio [05:26:59] [2/2] looks sick tbh [05:27:55] I hear Rust+C interop is pretty good, so there's that too :3 [05:29:39] i just wanna fuck around with android apis :(( [05:30:23] > java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported class file major version 65 [05:30:25] now that's fun [05:31:18] 🍿 [05:46:10] Yes, was a joking statement [05:55:47] [1/2] Well on a joking thing we got MR.krabs who is a king of cheapskates that even if the better solution costed him 1 dollar he would not even pay for it [05:55:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301061974280503316/image0.jpg?ex=67231be3&is=6721ca63&hm=7fe550f69d321755e6f9cbde5cb0d8fe7a50e3029e60436877299ef73e6f79c2& [06:39:51] he sold spongebob's soul for 62 cents [06:41:03] [1/2] ahhh ghi-ghi-ghi-ghi-ghi [06:41:04] [2/2] ahhh ghi-ghi-ghi-ghi-ghi [08:20:51] [1/3] @trigjegman hey man, you work on TMBW, right? [08:20:51] [2/3] may I ask you stuff regarding cover images upload? [08:20:51] [3/3] I checked the policy and it feels kinda vague, and checking some images over there don't give me proper idea either (so far I see them having only short descriptions). [12:14:30] https://tenor.com/view/entrance-appear-babadook-gif-11689397 [12:15:21] TMBW effectively has no upload guide outside of "please don't upload piracy or fan club files" [13:58:33] pain [14:03:26] yeah ok, thing we have a possibility to scan our own (or get from others) vinyls and stuff instead of me singlehandedly refurbishing and uploading images from discogs [14:04:07] I saw that a Leeds based museum is posting images of their collections under CC BY NC, and I thought could we do this w/ images of our collections [14:06:05] why I started digging in this direction, is the fact that celeb shoot on Wikimedia Commons, w/ some gymnastics lol, is labeled as public domain, which kinda confused me [15:14:46] It could be that the person who took the celebrity shot took it on their own, uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons, and exceptionally considered it as public domain on their own [15:23:35] nah, I know the photographer died in 2008 lol [15:23:52] they were uploaded in 2023? [15:24:13] images taken from US record label press kit from 1983 [15:24:19] they're supposed to be still copyrighted though [15:24:31] yeah, that's why I was confused [15:24:34] for 55 more years at least [15:25:13] got a link to the img? [15:25:28] that particular photographer doesn't seem to have copyrights over his own stuff, a lot of them are on places like Shutterstock or Avalon [15:25:52] oh, now that could make more sense [15:26:15] but they don't count as public domain [15:28:37] Ive tried to get tmbw moderninzed but theres no one really around including staff to really do that [15:28:42] and also their templates are actual nightmares [15:28:50] 3 images, scans of different press kits from early 80s, w/ photos taken by different photographer (one of them tho, a fellow archivist tried to contact him for permission and a stern "no") [15:29:19] I imagine, seeing that's it's 1.25 MW too ... [15:29:26] eeeeyup [15:29:32] having a custom skin prolly doesnt help [15:29:39] and custom parsers! [15:31:28] [1/2] like, i dont wanna touch that with a nine foot pole [15:31:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301206851005841478/evil.png?ex=6723a2d0&is=67225150&hm=fd428e4bf8bee2d1a0eb6fad7cc0dbb91097556986cd9d256da28705aaeafe96& [15:32:37] one of their color systems used to explode RGB into three different numbers and use expr parser functions to math them to different colors [15:33:00] it took. multiple hours to not do that [15:36:34] man [17:51:03] hyeah. shame i suppose [18:08:21] I hate this so much [18:08:28] there are so many things wrong here [18:08:46] wait WHY IS THE TEMPLATEDATA A TEMPLATE [18:08:54] this was really cool advanced stuff for like, 2005 [18:09:15] no wait it isn’t there’s a misleadingly named template that comes before it [18:09:41] can you see why i dont reeeeeeeeally wanna touch some of this stuff [18:09:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301246690812100608/IMG_5664.png?ex=6723c7eb&is=6722766b&hm=170601838f238f0bdc6713072f5999120b75c279535191a95c3d1e4f0f445254& [18:09:49] good lord [18:10:07] ive replaced like, siiiiiiiiix of these? idr [18:10:22] what even are half of these parser functions [18:10:33] theres a navbox i really want to replace but cant get the divs to work right [18:10:41] It’s beautiful in a horrifying kinda way [18:10:46] var was a pretty common one [18:10:51] true [18:10:58] part of it is the fact they use custom parser functions [18:11:06] i can show you worse if you want [18:11:08] honestly if there’s no explicit need to change this I wouldn’t want to [18:11:17] this is slow [18:11:25] and some of these use ifexist [18:11:36] it’s like aboutus.com, there is beauty in suffering [18:12:00] [1/2] this is beauty right [18:12:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301247250932043878/IMG_5044.png?ex=6723c870&is=672276f0&hm=d22889ca4d0d368fb209a21f46a07aaf6e63f4085a18ef1227303a1dd48a2550& [18:13:20] Yes [18:14:30] Claire would love and/or hate this [18:14:56] a love/hate relationship, if you will [18:18:29] Did she see the original post I made about aboutus? [18:19:39] Yes she did [18:20:02] yes [18:20:08] this could be the next entry lol [18:20:59] : > how about making logic gates out of if statements [18:22:29] Wu- [18:29:14] sounds like ive got your attention [18:29:56] [1/2] https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Template:Logical [18:29:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301251762702913546/rancid.png?ex=6723cca4&is=67227b24&hm=90ebf308d8dd7bf92d644dad4d207ecb5ea4f9520c5eea60eba6ca9d3be5df7e& [18:30:55] I- [18:30:56] Okay [18:30:58] Let’s imagine [18:31:03] This is an alternative universe [18:31:19] Where Scri never bunto’d [18:31:27] Is there any more sane way of doing this [18:31:40] this guy was one of the most prolific lua developers we had [18:32:00] https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-belle-alleyway-gif-3239349112686033801 [18:32:16] every ounce of this things existence is beyond comprehension or explanation [18:41:16] [1/2] I guess table template build entirely w/ #if isn't that bad? [18:41:17] [2/2] I do want to update it to lua version, if I'll figure out optional columns [18:53:32] meh. not worried about it atm [19:03:16] [1/2] I just noticed Windows 10 has a shadow for windows, especially noticeable on white on white [19:03:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301260148580417616/eef9d2d4c786d189.png?ex=6723d473&is=672282f3&hm=2c1db0f664d1543810d649755fc48751863d26362a0ebf53c0105ff0b059654a& [19:04:35] <_arawynn> you can turn it off in advanced settings [19:04:53] https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063 [19:04:53] @originalauthority @rhinosf1 the budget was based tbh. Better then i expected. [19:04:57] like that? [19:05:12] Not really going to impact me [19:05:16] Which is good for now [19:05:35] i mean it'll impact you because council service etc [19:05:39] NHS as well [19:06:01] I don't really use the NHS [19:06:08] more funding for councils, councils being able to keep the money from right to buy and the right to buy discount [19:06:20] I've seen a GP like twice in a decade [19:06:25] personally think the right to buy discount should be fully abolished [19:06:34] April 2017 & Summer last year I saw a GP [19:06:49] i don't use it often but i need it for when i do. [19:06:57] GPs are shit especially when you move [19:07:06] i like that labour are going to build a unified system [19:07:08] That's like the only times I've used a GP in a decade so it won't be a noticeable impact [19:07:16] Nice to have a functioning NHS though [19:07:20] It was crap last year [19:07:50] fuel duty freeze is based. People needed something and that will help. [19:07:59] I don't have a car [19:08:07] my family members do [19:08:30] My council are actually pretty decent [19:08:41] my councils is very bad. [19:08:48] But ye I don't think I'll notice anything from the budget [19:09:30] No big commitments towards my work's budget, no indication of future civil service pay [19:09:31] spending review gets released next year, so things are looking great [19:09:57] Ye the spending review etc will be bigger [19:10:19] yeh i was speaking to someone who said that will be the proper budget. [19:10:30] We won't have anything major report until back end of the FY / early next FY [19:10:37] this budget is to correct things and get things moving in the right direction [19:11:04] I'm waiting for an idea of an easing of recruitment controls cause I'm on a temp contract [19:11:12] oh [19:11:23] I want to know I can be a permanent employee come August 2026 [19:11:38] Not have to leave cause daft conservatives [19:11:51] I'm on a 4 year contract [19:12:11] ah i see [19:13:59] The conservatives left us in a huge mess [19:15:45] yeh [19:34:39] Not really happy about the vape juice tax 😦 [19:34:44] But its all part and parcel I guess [19:35:18] The right to buy is a good idea, but poorly executed by the tories [19:37:47] [1/2] I studied the Right to Buy at Degree level and it formed a big part of my dissertation. Its a really good idea but the issue is that Councils simultaneously passed the burden of housebuilding onto the private sector and the government did little to incentivise them to build. [19:37:47] [2/2] As a result there are VERY few Councils that can demonstrate a 5 year housing supply and its really problematic. [19:38:02] If they had replaced the stock that was being sold under the RTB then there would be no issue. [19:57:14] <.labster> I'm wondering if it would be worth it for WikiTide to join the Indie Wiki Federation. https://indiewikifederation.org/policies/membership-guidelines#wikifarm-organizational-membership [20:05:58] It doesn't seem right for us [20:06:07] It seems to be aimed at farms where the wikis are links [20:06:21] Also they seem smal [20:06:33] Not sure what it would gain us [20:10:13] Oh, is that what I think it is? [20:10:22] let me check real quick [20:10:32] What if we merge with them instead? [20:10:41] why? [20:11:43] <.labster> Why is a good question. It would make it easier for others to join. Honestly maybe an observer membership makes more sense for us. [20:11:57] some ABXY wikis are members here but not the entire ABXY network [20:12:12] Makes sense I think [20:12:17] I need to look into what it is [20:12:20] <.labster> I think that there's a lot we can do to promote each other against fandom. [20:12:47] <.labster> And that somewhere needs to be the forum where we collaborate. [20:13:15] well, I don't trust certain someone behind it [20:13:22] gonna be honest here [20:13:37] <.labster> and that someone is? (feel free to PM) [20:13:51] Am also curious [20:14:06] you know lol [20:14:12] Let me see [20:14:31] If I remember correctly, WikiForge and WikiTide were members of the IWF [20:14:41] in fact, iirc, they were some of the first [20:14:52] It was on their website for a super long time [20:15:01] <.labster> So uh, we should still be there then. [20:15:10] They weren't [20:15:12] hmm [20:15:20] I might be remembering something else [20:15:27] I'm trying to dig it up [20:16:03] a non aggression pact. [20:16:05] Que [20:16:06] I remember WikiTide (before the merger) approached IWF asking for membership and were declined because of the whole saga with Miraheze. [20:16:37] Where’s the list lol [20:16:51] on About [20:16:57] Joining should be up to community consensus imo [20:17:44] Thought so [20:17:50] > WikiForge was removed from IWF membership on June 12, 2023 by unanimous vote. [20:20:12] there we go [20:21:12] I think there was big drama around the removal too [20:21:15] but UO would know best [20:21:21] I'd advise against IWF as well [20:22:20] hmm, might've been UO asking during early formation because I don't remember us ever discussing that [20:25:26] If Miraheze/WT join as a farm how would that affect individual wikis wanting to join theoretically [20:26:44] They'd be members anyway [20:27:05] If we were a farm member [20:27:11] I think it's better to leave to individual wikis the choice, like w/ same ABXY [20:27:16] I -1 it though [20:27:18] I agree [20:27:21] -1 as well [20:27:47] That's -2 then [20:52:59] I don't see much purpose to joining it [20:53:14] having someone there who can fill in as a watcher would be fine [20:56:14] Ah yes [20:56:31] An average vandal [20:56:50] Seems they got mad over a wiki deletion and chose to mess up meta because why not [20:59:09] I lerned about tmux today - a way to control Minecraft servers in an headless (CLI only) way [21:18:55] <.labster> Sounds like it wouldn’t be worth joining. Thanks for your input. [21:20:52] I do not like people today [21:21:36] I can agree on one vandal who thought it was a good idea to blank the stewards request and the community portal over his wiki getting nuked for content violations [21:22:19] Ye but also had to deal with dumb people at work [21:22:35] Oof that got to be one of the most annoying feelings [21:23:45] Even worse in teams where 90 percent don’t even know how to work together and feeling the only competent person makes me feel the though of oh my goodness this team sucks [21:24:18] One of my projects is in a critical state [21:24:27] Due to mismanagement [21:24:32] Let's call it that [21:25:09] Mismanagement that hurts [21:25:27] Mismanagement puts it politely tbh [21:26:06] Man conversion from $ to £ is a real killer [21:26:29] Why [21:26:56] Lost about ~ $300 in ad revenue conversion [21:27:05] Ouch [21:27:17] Yeah ugh [21:28:54] @originalauthority what department did you apply to? [21:29:05] DWP [21:29:11] Still no response tho probably a bad thing [21:29:40] No it's a normal thing [21:29:52] Civil Service Recruitment is remarkably slow [21:30:13] Yey, I can share the pain of shared services connected with you [21:30:25] I have to deal with SSCL's parent company [21:31:59] @originalauthority it took like 4 months for me to get interview feedback [21:32:32] Annoying bad [21:32:42] The government couldn't run a bath it winds me up [21:32:47] I got that job btw [21:32:51] No it couldn't [21:33:01] Wait until you see what SSCL and Serco can run [21:33:16] I love our strategic partners [21:33:32] If you can survive the recruitment process, you'll be fine [21:33:44] The entire process is a test of if you've got the patience to survive [21:34:15] https://youtu.be/V6_xpdJcxyk?si=JEDyEbd0sikd9iFP LTA when they keep refusing to stop breaking rules. [21:34:23] Wrong voice line [21:34:27] feel ya, one of the major reasons I'm resigning my job at last soon lol [21:34:33] https://youtu.be/V6_xpdJcxyk?si=JEDyEbd0sikd9iFP [21:35:20] Jeez wasn’t expecting the wrong video file to be in their [21:47:23] I like my job. I take issue with most of the concept of strategic partners and I think we could do better at challenging certain inefficiencies. [21:47:59] The skill of companies like Serco (according to Wikipedia) is to bid for contracts and not worry about how they are going to deliver them [21:48:30] And generally that means they win a lot of contracts, bill for a lot of contracts and don't really deliver a lot of bang for the buck. [21:49:22] @originalauthority will find that dealing with Shared Services Connected for a lot of their Payroll function [21:55:01] dont get anywhere near this [21:56:14] That's the general consensuse of feedback we've received, but please feel free to DM if you've got additional context you'd like to provide. [21:57:00] i mean it seems like most folks know why or rather who is the reason so I won't beat the dead horse [21:57:40] theres actually a few whos but you get the point [21:57:58] Yeah, coincidental they run a vast majority of the UK Prisons [21:58:32] They're very good at bidding for government contracts [21:58:43] hence being a strategic partner [21:58:49] Doesn't mean they can deliver them [21:59:01] Not really a coincidence [21:59:07] It's basically their business model [21:59:12] Correct -- but public services should NOT be ran by private companies. I don't care how efficient the company is. [21:59:21] Mind you the government cant do it any better [21:59:31] Look at Northern Rail, its worse than it was under Arriva [21:59:33] <.labster> I was under the impression that IWF was an industry promotion group, but it is apparently not that. Thanks for all feedback warning me. [21:59:33] regarding the IWF talk from earlier, i dont think it’s a good idea either [22:00:10] however we may want to look into similar groups that are just legitimate partnerships of indie wikis and farms [22:00:25] Yep definitely open to looking at where partnering with other established orgs makes sense, there are certainly a few good eggs out there to look at. [22:00:41] Oh I 100% agree or we at least need to be prepared to hold industry to account [22:01:02] <.labster> We should likely help https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group more. [22:01:18] i feel like some network to enable actual account federation between supported wikis would be nice [22:01:33] maybe a plugin? [22:01:40] i might have a group or two to suggest [22:01:47] <.labster> OAuth or something [22:01:49] go ahead! [22:02:03] yeah something using that [22:02:05] Heh, I think the user alias gives a pretty good indicator of which ones. 😄 [22:02:55] need to check with folks first [22:02:58] well i think they should make their case [22:03:05] CentralAuth is bound not to like that, just because. [22:03:23] theres a host i know whos subtly trying to cut off hosting some wikis [22:03:24] Wiki.gg has their own homebrew flavor of that, but given the nature of how each platform handles the concept of 'user accounts', a plug-and-play cross platform thingy is a bit tricky [22:03:28] centralauth my beloathed [22:03:47] <.labster, replying to originalauthority> SUL3 will fix everything and then some, it will be like panacea but better [22:03:54] Doubt it [22:03:59] That's a better idea [22:04:03] WMF has a tendency to promise and not deliver [22:04:07] Or under deliver [22:04:18] not between different platforms but just using stuff like oauth and the api across MediaWiki instances [22:04:29] Sounds like Serco [22:04:42] Absolutely fair, no worries./ [22:04:42] Over promise and under deliver [22:04:51] <.labster> Stakeholders is not part of WMF [22:04:52] Oh please you lot speak of this like it’s the exception [22:05:01] Nobody said it was? [22:05:17] what if Miraheze starts its own alliance network [22:05:31] <.labster, replying to originalauthority> too many threads at once 🙂 [22:05:35] Hive of wikibees [22:05:35] No it's standard of strategic partners. Over promise, under deliver and charge us at least double what it should cost for the pleasure. [22:05:41] maybe [22:05:52] with now? [22:05:58] Who* [22:06:30] Yeah; good example of this. Theres a blocked drain across from my house and whatever private company the council are employing to fix it are taking the piss. Every night for about 3 hours they are there draining it up until about 11pm its a joke bas [22:06:37] Just do it right the first time? [22:06:39] i think weird gloop and maybe wiki.gg as a group of hosts that respect the community may be cool but sunce they both for profit not sure [22:06:52] wiki.gg im more idk bout then WG [22:07:04] idk, lets just make a lot of policies covering basically everything [22:07:10] and let it have a dead discord server [22:07:24] i already have the name for the convention [22:07:31] Fandom v2 [22:07:34] so, NIWA? [22:07:41] <.labster> Basically I was talking with my boss the other day, and started thinking about it in broader terms: having a network of wikis and wikifarms that all use the same list for $wgNoFollowDomainExceptions would benefit us all, collectively. [22:07:50] ShoutWiki-Miraheze alliance WHEN! [22:08:03] I was thinking skywiki actually [22:08:23] True, but also interwiki doesn't no follow so people could already take advantage of that if they wanted to [22:08:37] (Not sure if thats by design or a bug, though) [22:08:39] purchasing ShoutWiki is on the road map [22:08:45] <.labster> okay, then same interwiki map? [22:08:46] Mirashout [22:08:48] Huh? [22:09:01] Buy from who? [22:09:08] lets purchase WMF next as well [22:09:08] <.labster, replying to agentisai> I mean, it's on the map, somewhere over near Greenland. [22:09:11] [1/2] pardon my poor graphic design skills [22:09:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301306938717503518/A54F3BEC-7662-40AC-AC1A-F63DE6A3A5A7.jpeg?ex=67240007&is=6722ae87&hm=56c8d70ba103f901add34e1a633ab9d9628cb4952812d414050afc5c2b7a5f87& [22:09:22] i made this on my phone in like two minutes [22:09:36] I doubt ShoutWiki would sell to anyone tbf, theyre just kinda existing for no reason whatsoever [22:09:46] Their recent changes is filled with abuse filter blocking spam registrations [22:09:47] Tragic [22:10:00] <.labster> Shoutwiki would sell. The main question is if it's worth buying. [22:10:00] er, actually, there has occurred some discussion on the topic which I can't share [22:10:04] Also imagine fixing all that technical debt [22:10:22] But how would they make a profit then? [22:10:25] i think overall it would be worth it [22:10:36] if only to put them out of their misery [22:10:37] If Miraheze purchased shoutwiki that would be a big concern and would really make me lose faith in the board [22:10:48] it'd be funni [22:10:57] agreed [22:11:02] but not necessarily something reasonable [22:11:31] <.labster> It would be funni for sure. There are two valuable things over at Shoutwiki, Brickimedia and Jack Phoenix's volunteer time. [22:11:39] Brickimedia is dead [22:11:41] Jack would be decent [22:11:42] Has been for a while [22:11:47] https://tenor.com/bArYP.gif [22:12:14] Also I agree re: jack, but doesnt look like hes been that active at shoutwiki for a few years? [22:12:21] A few odd contributions there but not much [22:12:29] <.labster> So we're already down to 0 valuable things. [22:12:48] Lewis Cawte seems to be the one keeping the ship alive and hes not doing a really good job [22:12:52] maybe domain name [22:12:54] he’s likely only inactive just because there isn’t anything to do there [22:13:04] we'd have Drawn Feet wiki back on Miraheze if we purchased them [22:13:05] There is a lot to do there tbf [22:13:14] MediaWiki 1.39 for a start [22:13:42] true, but nothing a volunteer could do [22:13:57] Jack is pretty responsive when asked at extension dev stuff [22:14:01] <.labster> How come Drawn Feet wiki doesn't have the giant foot from Monty Python? Such a missed opportunity. [22:14:19] Yeah, one thing that always confused me was his name [22:14:25] Whether it was Jack or Ashley lol [22:14:32] heh same [22:14:40] i think that if SW is purchased and cleaned up more people will start using their wikis [22:14:42] It's probably neither [22:14:54] True [22:15:20] <.labster> It's actually Ashley Illustrious Phoenix in the wiki fanfic I wrote [22:15:23] the only reason no one’s editing anything there is just bc there’s no point [22:16:01] and plus [22:16:49] if we don’t get it then fandom will sooner or later and we don’t wana put any of their wikis through that, no matter how inactive they are [22:17:32] no wiki [22:17:44] and i mean no wiki [22:18:01] deserves to be bought out by fandom [22:18:12] that’s just plain wrong [22:18:26] WikiCruelty [22:19:06] which is also the name of the new extension from the developers of WikiLove [22:21:42] was gonna say [22:21:54] so we get to kill them again [22:22:56] i applied to work at/for shout earlier this year and never heard back [22:23:19] if theres any acquisition that needs to happen its wikidot but last i heard the guy wanted some outrageous number in bitcoin for it [22:23:47] <.labster> I'll call my friend Satoshi and set it up :EpicFaceMH: [22:27:05] i think it was like, 18 million bucks worth [22:27:12] huh [22:30:27] https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-suspicious-among-us-that-is-quite-suspicious-that-action-gif-25686164 [22:34:09] WikiDot would be useless as it isn't mediawiki [22:36:03] I think WikiJump from Project Foundation is being developed as a maintained verision of WD [22:43:40] [1/2] why "Granja de wikis", sounds like if you translate to spanish a game name lol [22:43:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301315615713136690/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-10-30_a_las_4.41.35_p.m..png?ex=6724081c&is=6722b69c&hm=8a135ff837de069e806d4fea60d91c4983154ba238c9b689267baa0919473db1& [22:45:54] Today is the first time I enter my wikidot account that I created lmfao [22:48:00] [1/2] http://monobook-template.wikidot.com/ [22:48:00] [2/2] there's monobook. Really want to say that is from Walmart but really is very well recreated [22:51:51] that’s the translation I’ve always heard [22:51:54] even on wikimedia [22:52:30] :O [22:52:58] me trying not to go insane after working 10 hours today: [22:53:14] I got scared by the event sound pack for Halloween lmao [22:53:28] https://tenor.com/view/pomni-going-insane-the-amazing-digital-circus-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-gif-8181208254214601644 [22:53:56] I got scared by the event sound pack for Halloween ping lmao [22:54:30] oop [22:54:48] It seems I like weird shows [22:55:03] Helluva Boss and now The Amazing Digital Circus [22:57:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301319209757966428/image0.gif?ex=67240b74&is=6722b9f4&hm=79accd8a30bde278a245eac01f0a2a2c3f1ff77fd409449e7e3287da9641f94e& [22:58:06] lol [22:58:48] Jevils when they are either insane or having fun while being locked in an area [23:00:42] Like the Jevil gif [23:01:13] yes [23:03:42] Not using dementio as he isn’t the insane type of jester [23:04:04] Marx didn’t feel like using him [23:09:55] Also something funny happened on meta today did you see the vandal who vandalized the community portal and steward request [23:11:21] No I didn't [23:11:32] I did see RecentChanges today but didn't notice that [23:11:33] wow [23:12:04] [1/2] https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-fines-google-shocking-25-decillion-thats-33-zeros-after-25-blocking-pro-kremlin-1727994 [23:12:05] [2/2] $25.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000,-- That's hefty 🤣 [23:15:20] [1/3] Want to know how I was quickly able to respond to the vandal it was because I set my notifications to global that of included me in it I would be notified which I got this when I was working locally on a wiki and saw what happened and looked at the username and knew this was vandalism which mean I could go all out reverting as long as I don’t feed h [23:15:20] [2/3] im and only give him long reverts or no explanation [23:15:20] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301323583007621232/IMG_0406.png?ex=67240f87&is=6722be07&hm=1b3cb31c47c95d4af167535ea03f1cb5afba62a4b2dfdb3e12f5dada166e0a84& [23:15:51] ??? [23:16:02] Yeah this is when the vandalism happened [23:16:11] And I was like hmm what’s this on my feed [23:16:22] So I clicked on them [23:16:38] To check it out to only find it removed because of vandalism [23:16:46] 339 likes to respond to messages with a random subject that they want people to know about, usually completely unrelated to said message [23:16:56] What has that to do with the article I posted?' [23:17:45] Yeah because I don’t address stuff fully unless I care about it it was mostly for a ping [23:18:04] So you ping me for cnvo? [23:18:16] LOL [23:18:21] Yeah oof [23:19:37] If you would like to ping someone, just @ them, and only do so if they actually need to know about what you're going to say (i.e. there is an active vandalizer on a wiki that requires CVT intervention); pings are not meant to be used lightly [23:22:41] Alright then I will say I mostly do stuff because I like having conversations [23:26:10] Anyway how is your day going after your retirement rodejong [23:27:08] Anyway how is your day [23:28:46] Good [23:30:06] I may request my own private wiki for testing purposes of using the extra permissions test wiki doesn’t offer [23:38:31] wth, do they even have that much money to begin with [23:38:43] sounds like a lot more than the world itself has [23:38:46] many times over [23:41:30] rip [23:41:32] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301330177657405541/dtydg42.png?ex=672415ab&is=6722c42b&hm=8ac0af43a64e0aa5f41cf2d546263cad4981fc79abed2d8b2d450d8b0ff0d091& [23:44:11] Context? [23:44:35] end goal being to migrate it To mediawiki [23:45:58] well apparently Russia fined Google $2.5 decillion dollars which is many times the world gdp [23:46:26] The screenshot was the global gdp [23:47:52] WHAT THE HECK OH MY GOODNESS NO WAYYYYY [23:49:47] Why the heck is that even a good amount to fine someone for when you know they can’t even pay it even if they use all of their money [23:50:59] no idea ask Russia [23:51:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1301332649415282728/il_600x600.5366039416_qa9f.jpg?ex=672417f9&is=6722c679&hm=9d4e0eb36490aaaa9b96782db95f050a9aba76d646b71047d58c8821b555c345& [23:51:34] lol wow [23:53:37] I think its a fine that doubles every week its not payed [23:53:58] Oh no that’s even worse [23:54:06] which like its a joke at this point not even google can spawn more money then every existed in the world every 😂 [23:54:13] lol yeah [23:54:18] Though im sure they could try [23:54:26] As if [23:54:31] yeah I bet they could too [23:54:34] but lol [23:54:38] It’s exponential dept they are fighting against [23:55:06] Which is extremely hard to beat unless you pay it off at the start [23:55:36] If you don’t then it goes into completely going to make you bankrupt