[00:05:15] Today's random laughung: https://deploy.equinix.com/blog/quantum-password/ [00:12:45] thats one way to get people to use password managers [00:14:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1306411951458488340/IMG_5784.png?ex=67369271&is=673540f1&hm=e70cd8dbf704ab3840139fd2713efce13993884a2a558612022fffcce4589884& [00:15:01] why am I following like 70 different parallel universe versions of me [00:15:21] Cloning /joke [00:15:45] I sorta think all is good as long as… not lastpass? :-p [00:17:07] im considering either proton pass or bitwarden [00:17:11] BW can self host so [00:17:27] yeah I just don’t want my passwords on some server somewhere [00:17:41] which is great because that’s how passwords work [00:17:49] they’re all on servers [00:17:50] I've been on 1password long enough that I'm not going to move away anytime soon :-p [00:17:53] somewhere [00:18:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1306412818689425459/outjerked-again-and-again-v0-8kpr7cn6epyd1.png?ex=6736933f&is=673541bf&hm=0153abeb3153e8fe84fa2698b586589ee830417f6635f09330f7a045570748ea& [00:18:12] encryption [00:18:17] daily* comedy [00:18:20] hashing [00:18:28] tell that to uh [00:18:33] archive.org? [00:18:39] No, mailman 2. [00:18:48] They were hashed [00:19:05] they made a sequel to the concept of postal workers? /j [00:19:18] no plaintext user passwords were leaked [00:19:33] Sending password whenever you ask for one, in back of the postcard. [00:19:39] Such brilliant [00:19:43] well that’s [00:19:46] good(?) [00:20:08] Better then the alternative! [00:20:08] And there's also mailman 3 [00:20:28] If you ever see a service tell you what your password is in plaintext [00:20:31] Faster delivery /joke [00:21:03] change that password anywhere its used request account deletion(ie under GDPR) and run [00:21:15] [1/3] https://lists.ubuntu.com [00:21:16] [2/3] https://lists.gnu.org [00:21:16] [3/3] (blah blah) [00:21:18] Enjoy [00:21:31] http://www.eptoys.com/: [00:22:08] Que [00:22:16] their password reset procedure is “yeah just email us we’ll do it for you” [00:22:54] Resetting and having is say okay your password is x is different [00:22:57] also if you’re logged in you can just change it, no need to input the old one (doesn’t log you out after you change it either) [00:23:02] but still bad [00:23:07] [1/2] At least my standard response to GDPR request aimed at me is [00:23:07] [2/2] > Hi, you need to fill the Korean form under the Korean law [00:23:12] Yea that makes sense [00:23:33] Im waiting for my state’s data protection law to kick in in January [00:23:44] I would expect no less from China Chenghai Ever Profit Toys Enpaile Trading [00:24:10] I just give no F about european law, that's all (while our law is GDPR adequate stamped) [00:24:23] remember this site runs on a custom framework with the last major update to it being in 2004 [00:24:34] oh and it runs on windows 2000 [00:25:16] Next update: win xp [00:25:23] SP2 [00:25:27] b2b sites just have a certain uh [00:25:31] True. [00:25:51] At least I saw XP running on wild, but that was National Archives in air-gapped env [00:25:56] So that should be… fine [00:26:03] welll it’s something http://www.2btoy.com/EN_index.asp [00:26:46] I usually say 'I wouldn't be surprised at weird things @ China' [00:26:50] China is such country. [00:26:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1306415042677440533/IMG_5785.png?ex=67369552&is=673543d2&hm=26da1030a53fd2b9cb28e97954ee3692d27d3a18824bc22bb0ca9133542dbdd9& [00:29:26] GDPR my love [00:29:31] As a consumer, GDPR is so nice [00:29:39] As someone who helps run a service, it can be so frustrating [00:29:50] I hate GDPR so much [00:29:56] Only for that shitty cookie notice. [00:30:01] Fuck that cookie notice. [00:30:11] there’s uh [00:30:17] there’s an extension that gets rid of em [00:30:21] Mobile. [00:30:36] userscript [00:31:03] I think it's great! [00:31:08] there are mobile userscript apps [00:31:23] I don't have problems with GDPR except the bullshit cookie notices [00:31:31] Don’t think they hate the policy in general, I just think they hate getting bashed with cookie notices [00:31:34] yep [00:31:46] Basically, you are gonna collect it anyway so why the fuck [00:31:58] Essential cookies ❤️ [00:32:01] ^ [00:32:14] I mean [00:32:17] Just embed it in privacy policy. [00:32:18] We'll, you get to decide if you leave or continue. [00:32:21] I fucking read it. [00:32:21] they do collect less cookies [00:32:33] depending on what you select [00:32:44] > We collect cookies. [00:32:50] EOF [00:32:55] No choice whatsoever [00:32:57] essential cookies is just “keep you log in, transfer data between forms” type stuff [00:33:10] (Ie. https://go.dev/) [00:33:30] [1/3] > go.dev uses cookies from Google to deliver and enhance the quality of its services and to analyze traffic. Learn more. [00:33:31] [2/3] EOF [00:33:31] [3/3] No choice whatsoever [00:33:33] this is by google [00:33:34] Such meaningless. [00:33:34] so [00:34:01] If I don't agree, I don't use it [00:34:13] you know what I really dislike though [00:34:16] admiral [00:34:48] Same for miraheze cookie banners tbh [00:34:49] thankfully all the files are just named “admiral-(random string).js" [00:35:08] [1/2] Just same [00:35:09] [2/2] > We collect cookies. (End of story) [00:35:12] so you can just block \admiral-\.js and be rid of it [00:35:51] I mean they’re legally required to tell you [00:36:01] Yeah, but not for non-EU regions [00:36:07] and they don’t do any invasive tracking cookies so there’s nothing to opt out of [00:36:39] yeah but that would require location detection and that’s a whole privacy thing in of itself [00:36:53] You collect them anyway on matomo, don't you? [00:37:09] yeah, we probably don’t actually fulfill the law completely with the skimpy banner but better than nothing because MediaWiki is so averse to GDPR [00:37:26] [1/2] See it like this.... [00:37:26] [2/2] You can use a toll road or a free road. You decide. If you don't like it, don't use that road. [00:37:33] I mean Matomo tracks you about as much as a Geocities visitor counter [00:37:38] so [00:37:42] Also even without that, what I recall is dns servers do track your location [00:37:52] Because they decide where to route you to cache server (before the Cf) [00:38:01] So you have been tracked already [00:38:04] true, but you can’t really change that [00:38:20] track as in keep in a log, not really? but yeah, it used your geolocation to route you to the correct cp* server [00:38:26] would you rather go down one toll road or seven in a row is the point [00:38:53] So you can make it disappear the cookie banner for non-EU, that's my point and I only care about it not getting in my way [00:39:06] (But yes, MW generally give no fuck about GDPR) [00:39:12] You can, by asking to delete that data. That is what GDPR does for me as EU citizen. The right to be forgotten. [00:39:12] you have some interesting arguments [00:39:42] mh tracks you less than it could but that makes better privacy, even if it’s slightly inconveniencing [00:39:46] I think we had the blanket show the notice to all users while we were a UK company, not sure about it anymore [00:39:51] Matomo is designed to comply with the GDPR [00:40:23] there’s mh and fandom [00:40:39] one’s a great promising wiki farm that hosts tons of flourishing wikis [00:40:41] not talking about Matomo specifically but rather about how last I remember, you’re supposed to be able to see every individual cookie and consent to it and whatnot (or at least see what the cookie is/does if it’s mandatory) [00:40:45] and one’s fandom [00:40:58] So basically my PoV is 'If everybody made it disappear for non-EU visitors, I wouldn't care much' [00:41:09] I have been waiting for so long for that patch to be merged to support that in CookieWarning lol [00:41:14] point being, which of the two would you rather have track you [00:41:19] how long lol [00:42:02] answer: yes [00:42:10] yes long [00:42:31] (Because GDPR is your (EU) law, not mine, and I don't have to follow your law because your law claims so) [00:42:45] isn’t that uh [00:42:53] isn’t that what the more info button does on the banner [00:43:10] I have been waiting a few years for the patch for CookieWarning for explicit consent lol [00:43:24] now it is merge conflicted [00:43:28] It takes you to the Privacy Policy section about the types of cookies we collect in general categories [00:43:28] it will never be merged [00:43:32] but not every one specifically [00:43:32] lol [00:43:40] unless you have a connection at WMF, it’s hard [00:43:43] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/CookieWarning/+/674286 [00:43:48] case in point my one line patch last time [00:43:57] ^ so true [00:44:08] Didn't I ping someone then to get the one line patch merged? [00:44:10] though one thing I dislike about those explicit consent ones is if you have a cookie blocker it just keeps popping up, it should detect if you’re blocking them and not show the warning [00:44:14] yup lol [00:44:14] I usually just ping my designated +2 guy to get my translation patches go thru [00:44:21] otherwise it would’ve fallen through a void [00:44:24] they wanted a test [00:44:33] for one line [00:44:33] Stewards cabal ftw [00:45:12] I responded that nothing else there had a test so this doesn't really need to start one in a very simple patch IIRC [00:45:12] break into jimbo’s house and use his computer [00:45:19] (Before then I used some other DM for +2) [00:45:40] Jimbo doesn't have merge powah [00:45:57] He is just the same mortal in that area [00:45:59] we should finish the task to allow local patches [00:46:01] not if I can’t help it [00:46:07] what do we need? [00:46:19] magnus? [00:46:30] Not sure Magnus Manske is active these days? [00:47:00] walk in, wear some incognito glasses and a nose and a mustache, and say “I’m John MediaWiki, please merge this patch” [00:47:05] I saw his bot being taken over in 202x so wouldn't be surprised [00:47:14] > You entered the wrong office [00:47:22] I’ve seen him posting about wikidata tools he’s working on on Fedi [00:47:24] > Engineers work from home /joke [00:47:54] Heh. Interesting [00:48:20] that’s definitely not how I got kicked out of Wikimania 2018 [00:48:29] Hmm [00:48:32] I was there. [00:48:50] so you’d know then [00:49:00] I recall the WMF event folks saying 'never go out unless you are accompanied by 4 other people' [00:49:01] https://wikis.world/@magnusmanske [00:49:23] did you actually go to Wikimania [00:50:00] no [00:50:16] dunno what I’d do there, just sit around and edit wikis I guess [00:50:20] At least I'm glad Magnus Manske is around [00:50:59] [1/2] Join us [00:50:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1306421084928872538/IMG_2959.jpg?ex=67369af2&is=67354972&hm=3287c1e8a2e83fe5781f999339b5430ea96ba43c74e6fb52066896bc25d96d65& [00:51:09] (I think I uploaded this to Commons) [00:51:31] so all of Miraheze then /j [00:51:38] No, Wikimedia one. [00:51:44] I never was Miraheze Steward [00:52:00] But I have been Wikimedia Steward, so that is Lazy (Wikimedia) Stewards [00:52:08] (Except we also allowed non-stewards to sit) [00:53:10] (Miraheze was basically somewhat persona non grata from WMFzone until quite recently, so) [00:53:37] [1/2] I’m sure this’ll go great [00:53:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1306421747528237067/IMG_5786.png?ex=67369b90&is=67354a10&hm=13481f0c9cbf9385aeefb4507373051d0a1275fdf70b608453f5c7e5d51b4d45& [00:53:54] send an invite to the threads account to bridge to bluesky via the fediverse [00:54:00] lol [00:54:06] Double redirects [00:55:18] nail painting table is my personal favorite [00:55:26] you were a WMF steward? [00:55:34] huh, didn’t know that [00:55:35]