[00:33:23] https://go.newsfusion.com/open-source/item/2377315 [00:33:37] Huh [00:39:53] yeah that's a non starter at best [00:40:11] I'd like the chrome monopoly to be busted but this probably isn't it [00:40:26] That doesnt even make sense.. Chrome has definitely not sucked the competition out of the browser market [00:40:34] the proposals of splitting google entities into a bunch of little things just, doesn't check out to me [00:41:05] and market share is not inherently bad, what antitrust should go after is the active efforts to suppress competitors from coming into existence [00:41:17] google has done this through its search in particular but chrome for example simply outplayed the market from what I know [00:41:19] Which they really havent done [00:41:28] At least not directly [00:41:44] chrome does not merit antitrust intervention imo [00:41:54] Not by a long shot [00:41:58] much as I hate its dominant position and its war on adblocking [00:42:24] the deeper issue from my perspective is the rampant data harvesting, you want to get rid of the worst of google, consider real privacy laws [00:42:28] I like how they claim firefox is hanging on by a thread… as someone who previously had access to internal statistics at Mozilla… thats not even remotely true [00:42:44] firefox is in a shit spot at the moment from what I can tell [00:42:55] barely has a foot in the market and it keeps shooting itself on a regular basis [00:43:02] Tbh it always has been [00:43:11] firefox once had double digit share [00:43:15] the difference is obvious [00:43:40] Tbf that was like what when there was like 3 browsers to choose from? [00:43:57] more or less what it is now when looking under the hood tbh [00:44:11] chrome skin, firefox or safari [00:44:41] Firefox runs on chromium but I wouldn’t call it a chrome skin [00:45:01] firefox is not blink [00:45:10] Firefox has its own browser engine [00:45:18] Yes/no [00:45:24] let me put it differently, you have blink, gecko and webkit [00:45:30] Its based on Chromium [00:45:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) [00:45:42] the fact that firefox overhauled itself to play with webextensions I tend to dismiss [00:46:05] though chasing after chromium and not getting it hasn't helped its case at all [00:48:46] https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/tree/master/chrome [00:49:36] Like I said I wouldnt consider it a chrome skin, but it does utilize parts of it [00:50:12] that's probably inevitable [00:50:34] I do not qualify borrowed elements as being entirely, fundamentally or otherwise actually based off chromium [00:50:39] It is, they dont have the manpower to completely build their own browser engine and keep up [00:51:06] Not anymore [00:51:12] but yeah, the sheer shares of chromium have made it impossible to play ball without at least partially playing chrome's game [00:51:25] minus that and the firefox experience would be dysfunctional [00:51:53] there's probably a future where chromium just monopolizes the web viewing experience and the only difference is what elements are put together and what workarounds are made for things like adblock to function [00:52:05] though I suppose it already has [00:52:33] It just needs someone to actually put down the money to build their own web engine [00:52:42] But companies wont waste their money on that [00:52:55] Mozilla can’t take the time to do it, or they will fall behind [00:53:31] Tbh I’m honestly shocked they havent abandoned thunderbird entirely at this point, its struggling [00:53:44] mozilla could start by not throwing money away at irrelevant bullshit and paying for fortune 500 vacations or whatever the hell mozilla's ceo does with those millions [00:54:28] isn't thunderbird pretty much completely run as a community project unrelated to foundation staff at this point [00:54:48] Well heres the fun part Mozilla is two separate companies, Firefox is owned by Mozilla, the non-profit. The for profit is mostly where the funds come in [00:54:53] Nope [00:55:15] That is ignoring the fundamental issue, that web standards are now so complex and continually growing that it is effectively impossible to create a browser engine, even with hundreds of people [00:55:29] I disagree [00:55:43] If you have the funds and manpower its possible, google did it [00:56:29] google did it and went to some lengths to try and close the door behind them [00:56:44] Google forked WebKit, an already-existing browser engine, in order to create Chromium; they did not build a browser engine from the ground up [00:56:52] I do hope someone will bother to do it, but I have no idea what company would do it and more importantly to me, what company actually worth trusting [00:57:36] if it's idk, microsoft giving it another go I say hell to the no; I hear proton come up often for that but I don't think proton could handle it [00:57:53] Microsoft won’t do it [00:58:01] then there's ladybird which may or may not take coherent form within the decade if it ever becomes remarkable [00:58:02] Proton won’t do it [00:58:15] I think MS was sufficiently slapped by the IE experience but I still wouldn't put it past them [00:58:47] MS won’t do it because I don’t think they want in that business anymore which is why they did Edge, they wanted out [00:59:04] I think MS is purely focused more on business/enterprise solutions now [00:59:11] makes sense [00:59:47] Hell if you ask me, they probably want out of the .net shit too [01:00:06] I keep hearing bits about them eying the linux kernel for the future [01:00:15] Linux wouldnt do it [01:00:22] would be interesting if they decided they didn't feel like building up their own and tried something more hybrid [01:01:06] I mean tbh Microsoft is ditching more and more of NT as we get new OS’s [01:01:12] NT/DOS* [01:01:38] I mean windows 10/11 almost have full on unix shells now [01:02:19] that's what I mean [01:02:32] it will be interesting [01:03:04] I wanna see Oracle get back in the game [01:03:27] might be interesting if they're still holding up, haven't heard much about them lately [01:03:48] Most of their business is VPS and VM I think now [01:03:57] sounds accurate [01:04:15] I think they could pull it off [01:04:26] As long as they dont pull another Java [01:06:29] I wanna see oracle release the javascript framework [01:06:38] Trademark not framework [01:06:45] Wtf am i on about [01:07:03] is there reason for them to let go of it [01:07:12] Why? [01:07:25] Is there a reason they're keeping it? 😉 [01:07:44] I mean they arent hurting anything but keeping it 🤷🏼 [01:08:08] No but there's no reason for them to hold on to it. They've never contributed anything to JavaScript [01:08:24] (And technically using the word JavaScript is infringing on their trade mark) [01:08:30] Which is not good I guess [01:09:08] it's a self answering question based on the above: they lose nothing to keep it, they retain power over it, contributions not required [01:09:11] Tbh Oracle isnt really that hostile of a company tbh I’d rather them hold on to it [01:09:55] rather open than locked down, I suppose locked down but benign is better than the alternative, which is the real rationale for companies to hold on [01:10:21] This must be a joke? [01:10:26] but they might be sleeping now and have ideas for the future, or wish to retain it as leverage - there are many potential boons that are in their interest, and no boons to letting it go [01:10:34] Yeah but if they let it go, who knows what other companies may try to pull [01:10:58] if it goes entirely open, surely not a whole lot [01:11:04] now if it goes in the market to pick up different story [01:11:15] My main issue is that Oracle hasn't maintained JavaScript ever, they dont contribute to the development or anything like that, nor do they control what features are added to JS, they have already abandoned it, but refuse to release the trademark for no reason. [01:11:20] You would think but you never know companies are greedy [01:11:32] companies could and will try to do other things anyway tbh [01:11:42] without example I don't think 'but someone could abuse it' is convincing [01:12:12] Idk, I just dont see the harm in Oracle holding onto it ig [01:12:54] at the end of the day probably no real difference that I can tell, but again, there's probably more in it for them to squat on it than not, which is not to say they should but does mean they surely will for the future [01:13:17] now if they get any creative ideas and try to assert dominance, well, they can go from benign to pain in the ass in a heartbeat and have all the means to do so at any time [01:13:19] [1/2] Because fundamentally you cannot use the word JavaScript without infringing on their copyright. [01:13:19] [2/2] For example saying "this script is written in JavaScript" is wrong, because you legally dont have permission to use that term, the correct use is "This is written in ECMAScript" [01:13:23] and that's the issue with squatting [01:13:23] ...you see the issue? [01:13:57] pretty much takes just one wrong CEO to switch directions [01:15:09] Exactly, so tomorrow the Oracle CEO could wake up and bring legal action against everyone claiming that their stuff is written in JavaScript because they have the trademark, which is not fair given that they abandoned JS a long time ago. [01:15:49] unity comes to mind when thinking of a company go from benign industry leader to pariah in a few announcements [01:15:50] Realistically though, I doubt that would happen [01:16:37] realistically, who knows, the chance is ever present so the core question is if it's better off open where that specific issue will not happen (but maybe some other one will), or this among other oddities could happen now under partisan company control [01:16:42] You must really be oblivious to what Oracle is like [01:16:45] I mean tbh that didnt shock me when Unity did that, they were setting up for that for years [01:16:59] it's true, unity had warning signs and I didn't have a lot of examples to grasp for [01:16:59] Notwithstanding whether it would actually happen, the potential for it shouldn't exist [01:17:24] (They are likely to lose the TM anyway under legal definition of abandonment, https://javascript.tm) [01:17:51] Do people still use unity? I thought Unreal was the "new hot take" [01:18:12] I do think JS in public domain is probably best for everyone [01:18:38] if oracle was acting in its interests it would try to do something to ensure it doesn't lapse, so I dunno [01:18:56] unreal is probably flavor of the whatever span of time engines go for, I don't pay a lot of attention [01:34:05] Ohh trademarks. [01:34:32] Had it been trademarked recently I think it would not be trademarked as 'generic name' [01:35:31] (That's why the term QR code is not trademarked in S Korea (in 2011? i think), while it is trademarked elsewhere) [01:36:14] Had it been brought to court I sorta think Oracle would lose, but who has spare money to burn is probably gonna be the Q [02:12:07] no the trademark was absorbed from Sun Microsystem who invented JS [02:21:44] Oracle Red Bull Racing? cc @rhinosf1 😉 😄 [02:23:29] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1308256302824161333/GbfX1T8bEAAp1Z-.jpeg?ex=673d4820&is=673bf6a0&hm=6831eb57fefa9da9628fd4946c7cb6ebed573f0148d2b696a0b396d933ecda82& [02:27:24] Oracle Solaris [02:28:12] I know [02:29:03] I just thought of that when I heard Oracle lol [02:33:24] My fellow IRC users, how do I put all my names (this one, the other one with the same numbers at the end, and 'FFU') behind a password? [02:36:20] https://libera.chat/guides/registration [02:36:35] just main the FFU full one prob [02:40:10] Aight then, that way I don't end up accidentally trolling myself again. [03:25:41] i think ill copy the username of that one cool guy from support... [04:45:37] I am flattered 😄 [04:47:18] even though i was talking about that one guy from the phighting wiki youre fantastic too [04:47:46] truly a sigma community [11:07:31] hiya BlankEclair [11:07:37] meow :3 [11:07:44] how ya doin [11:07:51] i really wannya implement application/x-headpats into miraheze [11:08:00] https://catgirl.center/notes/a0rwk9tstq6101lj [11:08:08] sounds bout right [11:08:24] i got the source of my school spyware extension [11:08:31] oh neat [11:08:35] just reading an article rn [11:08:35] was looking at that last night [11:08:37] https://www.wired.com/story/nordictrack-ifit-treadmill-privilege-mode/ [11:08:52] minimzed, not obuscated [11:09:11] may as well be cause you cant make out shit with variable names ugh [11:09:30] interesting insight or two [11:10:06] but I'm not a dark mage with exploit sense like you so eh [11:10:09] anyways [11:10:39] my scoutmaster saved me from starting a project that would probably take me hours [11:11:56] okay done reading [11:12:03] PixDeVl: there's probably some kind of ide that lets you rename variables [11:12:05] i hope [11:12:10] jadx-gui lets you do that [11:12:18] and so does ghidra and ida i think, idk i never used them [11:12:22] well any ide has a refactor yeah [11:12:35] well shit [11:12:40] i might need to actually get an ide setup [11:12:51] if you'd like to check it out lmk, i can send a GPG'd file to your fedi or email [11:12:59] do you use neovim [11:13:15] no [11:13:17] nano [11:13:24] oh yea [11:13:38] I like JetBrains [11:13:47] but not all their stuff is free [11:13:59] would still work though [11:14:01] or VSC [11:17:11] anyways somehow my first CW PR was merged [11:17:32] time for The Purge [11:18:57] https://labs.watchtowr.com/pots-and-pans-aka-an-sslvpn-palo-alto-pan-os-cve-2024-0012-and-cve-2024-9474/ [11:18:59] oh my god [11:19:21] oh yeah [11:19:27] dunno if you saw, but my yurikeys arrived [11:19:41] and yes, i will be calling them yurikeys for the rest of my life [11:20:05] Mine should get here today [11:20:11] do you want an unboxing video? [11:20:20] i... already unboxed it? [11:20:26] smaller than i expected tbh [11:22:02] no no when i get them lol [11:22:06] from me [11:22:14] i mean [11:22:19] i don't have a need for it, but i'll take it [11:22:32] its funny:tm: no more reason needed [11:22:48] touche [11:22:51] Accepted [11:23:07] also, webauthn is broken on sharkey lol [11:23:11] misskey* [11:23:15] oof [11:23:19] yea it do that [11:23:45] also do you want a furry blog post about security issues in matrix [11:24:31] hell yeah' [11:24:44] also, i keep reading PIV in yubikey, and my mind can't stop thinking about... things [11:24:56] oh dear [11:25:11] im gonna see if i cant put my SSH keys on em [11:25:20] > can't [11:25:21] lol [11:25:32] i wonder if i can sneeze [11:25:50] i disabled yubico otp so no [11:26:32] wait [11:26:35] what? [11:26:38] AWS KMS is a thin [11:27:04] https://aws.amazon.com/kms/ [11:27:23] im gonna go AWS KMS [11:27:31] i love it when a yurikey with all features enabled causes the usb stack on my laptop to freeze for a good ten seconds [11:28:12] from https://soatok.blog/2024/10/12/ambition-the-fediverse-and-technology-freedom/. the matrix one is https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/ but theres plenty more posts to look for [11:29:28] gay [11:30:58] lsusb freezes when i plug my yurikey in [11:31:00] im get goin for life soon:tm: if youd like to cry over spyware source code lmk [11:31:01] 13s [11:31:07] thats some seconds [11:31:17] im bout to be late [11:31:23] yay [11:33:14] having two yurikeys connected at once makes for An Experience [11:33:41] oh boy [14:10:53] Fun little video I remember exists, worth a watch https://youtu.be/Xe1TZaElTAs. Perl still sucks though [15:02:13] @rodejong I’m not sure if you’ve seen the news article on the site about the growth of construction in the East Africa Branch Territory [15:02:22] Incredible before and after [15:03:04] Yeah... It's amazing what growth there is. [15:03:40] It also was in one of the updates, about the new buildings [15:05:25] lots of construction going on there [15:05:35] so we can’t complain if our LDC project drags a little \:P [15:29:20] Lawful development certificate? [15:29:27] is in work mode [15:33:32] The LDC is short for "Local Design/Construction" program [15:33:58] https://jwmeeting.miraheze.org/wiki/LDC [15:33:59] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1308455240676282378/image0.gif?ex=673e0167&is=673cafe7&hm=3817ade1b1372451dfc2376f101828ca1b8deacccf895f533b94a6548433d64f& [15:35:53] Finally an abbreviation I know, that others don't know. 😄 Most of the time it's the other way around hehe [19:06:47] @markusrost heeey I assume you’ve probably already been pinged 9998 times about this so sorry, is @Wiki-Bot being offline known/intentional maintenance? [19:07:49] It's known [19:09:20] a:thumbs_up_parrot: [19:11:10] Only been over 7 hours so far [19:16:14] Oh dear [19:16:17] Upstream? [19:20:13] Yes [19:21:13]