[01:14:37] if having problems deciding just get a dart board and a bunch of sticky papers and put a bunch of choices on each sticky put it on the board and throw a dart with miss being freebsd [01:16:12] or just use arch like everyone else in the cult of arch unless you just want no nonsense then pick your poison between fedora and mint [01:17:43] Mint: a reasonable middle ground of a distro [02:00:36] i love nonsense [02:00:42] fedora has a better logo [02:00:54] Wait no sorry thinking of RHEL [02:01:28] i keep forgetting fedora’s logo isnt a blue fedora [02:29:36] mint is mostly about no nonsense its the operating system of boomers who don't really want to deal with anything just make it work [02:38:35] Boring! [02:44:05] alright then pick slackware [02:45:55] slackware? [02:45:59] havent heard of that one [02:46:20] its as old as the hills and is probably the second hardest linux distro behind linux from scratch [02:47:04] Oh god [02:47:06] wait [02:47:15] where are we putting arch on that ranking [02:47:21] fourth [02:47:36] whats thied [02:47:40] gentoo [02:48:54] Huh [02:49:39] I looked at gentoo’s site a bit since someone request we add their wiki skin and i poked around their bugzilla [02:50:05] if i do go with a hard distro ngl id go with arch for the funny factor alone [02:50:06] also [02:50:06] gentoos main claim to difficulty is you compile everything yourself [02:50:08] best logo [02:50:24] pass [02:50:44] which also makes it the most demanding on hardware since you need a good computer if you want to speed up the compiles [02:51:01] slackware if i recall does nothing for you [02:51:10] you have to do everything yourself [02:51:25] and its package manager if i recall is just a downloader [02:51:28] Isn’t the point of linux compared to windows (partially of course) being liteweight [02:51:34] it just fetches the packages for you but doesn't set them up [02:51:52] Seems that past arch you’re adding suffering with absolutely no return [02:52:05] probably why I’ve never heard of then [02:52:12] slackwares main advantage over arch is its ultra stable setup [02:52:20] it doesn't break regularly like arch [02:52:24] stable? [02:52:43] it has a long support cycle that only releases after extensive testing [02:53:06] Something that does nothing for you leaves it for you, a human, and I have a hard time believing that a human setting up a distro won’t introduce more issues and things to break [02:53:34] the thing is it also keeps things very simple within its systems [02:53:39] so a good trait of other distros and the worse part of arch times some? [02:54:00] its good if you don't want to fix a computer every update [02:54:07] I pity the slackware sales person [02:54:10] but bad trait if you want to use the latest hardware [02:54:13] theres no salesperson [02:54:18] well not anymore [02:54:36] hasn't been for decades if i recall since it has not been a product since the 90s [02:54:57] at that point use debian(debian is the big long release cylce right?) [02:55:25] and if all you are looking for is a unix analogue that is entirely centered around being simple then slackwares your jam [02:55:39] debian is the most conservative as far as stable releases go [02:55:46] they are still stuck in 2016 [02:56:11] you also have debian sid but that defeats the point of debian [02:56:29] debian is good for companies who need a os that won't fuck with things [02:57:06] lame /hj [02:57:07] basically its the os for companies that would still be using windows 98 at this point if microsoft didn't force them to change ultimately [02:57:42] although technically speaking freebsd is an alternative to debian but its not linux [02:59:01] i just looked at slackwares installer its basically debians [02:59:18] Yeah, I’ll just coin toss between Arch and Fedora [02:59:31] are you on nvidia? [02:59:48] if you are make that a cointoss between arch and nobara [03:01:19] why so? [03:01:44] nobara comes with out of the box nvidia setup and some kernel tweaks out of the box for performance [03:02:16] although thinking back on it theres some flaws with it like its not fully compatible with discord like it can't do streams [03:02:30] dont think so, this is gonna be a duel booted old macbook a friend is fixing up and felt like giving to me(possibly temporary till i get something else but I just dont havr any laptop besides school chrombok) [03:02:40] oh mac book [03:02:50] I loath OSX [03:02:55] anything goes really although if you want to preserve dualboot setup pick fedora [03:03:29] arch is liable to nuke everything since its really easy to just nuke everything with arch [03:03:31] The other os is just gonna be used in case linux and wine fails probably [03:03:38] or if i get into valorant [03:03:42] (unlikely) [03:03:54] league of legends also isn't allowed on linux [03:04:09] or legit any live service game save for helldivers 2 [03:04:56] on mint everything just works but its exactly the audience its out for since said audience are just tired and want a system that works but also isn't locked down so they can do whatever with it [03:06:15] Which there's a lot of merit in - if I've got a workstation I want it to work when I need to use it and/or am on a time crunch. [03:06:15] <3 vanguard [03:06:41] I started to collect sources to revamp the [[w:Riot Vanguard]] article [03:06:41] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Vanguard [03:06:41]

[03:06:46] gonna get back to it [03:07:03] Riot is actively hostile against linux [03:07:13] despite it having a larger market share than mac at this point [03:07:15] I wouldn’t put it there even if i coudl [03:07:39] i wouldn’t put a kernal level anti cheat on my main computers [03:07:59] linux has anti cheat supported with a runtime but its not kernel level [03:10:53] yeah, id probably do it on the other OS i duel boot (if that wouldn’t allow for the possibility of cross interference [03:10:57] still a risk so idk [03:12:02] i've pretty much switched to linux as my daily driver at this point i only keep a windows install for VR a single game i can't really play on linux (slow) to test for accuracy on a game i test for [03:14:32] i can playtest with some text rendering and performance issues on linux and its not like the performance issues are gamebreaking i plan to upgrade my cpu anyways to compensate [03:15:55] but lets just say my experience so far has been everything kind of just works or works with some minor tweaks [03:17:01] and if you have all amd hardware and are on am5 you probably will find that everything works completely with little to no tweaking [03:27:06] Love an AMD chip [03:28:00] I've given up most of my tinkerer ways given the limited hours in a day, but damn if I'm not building on an AMD foundation 9 times out of 10 when I build my personal device. [03:31:03] the nice part is amd gpu on linux legit as plug and play as it gets no drivers to install nothing to configure outside of basic resolution just works [07:02:35] [1/3] Just saw a hilarious post on Facebook. Have fun reading it: [07:02:35] [2/3] ```Had an "Adulting" moment last night. Driving down I-35, using cruise control (since my right foot seems to have extra weight) and passed an old tan Tahoe that was in the middle lane. It was a friendly pass! Then I returned to the middle lane. Oh but Mr. Tahoe with a 350 V-8, 4-barrel carb & headers wasn't happy! He stomped on the gas and pulled up next to me roaring his engine. [07:02:35] [3/3] He would gun it, pass me by a car length, slow down and repeat FOR about 5 MINUTES! Traffic in the fast lane was backing up! Meanwhile I didn't even turn my head and cruise control remained on the whole time. Old me might have accepted the challenge because deep down I KNOW I could take him easily! 🤣😂🤣``` [14:55:00] Anyone use Microsoft Edge? Thinking of trying it out over vivaldi as apparently the developer console is a huge improvement over chrome with extra microsoft additions but idk [15:03:33] I never used it. I am used to Chrome. I hate changing routines, so I stay with it [15:28:41] I use Firefox Developer Edition [15:29:02] FF been making some real shitty moves recently though from what I've heard [15:29:48] maybe I'll give it a go [15:29:50] You mean Mozilla? [15:30:00] Yeah I’ve heard of some. Rebrand made me sad [15:30:09] I liked MO://A [15:30:50] Considering moving to a FF fork like waterfox or liberawolf [15:35:27] yeah [15:35:30] downloaded FF DE [15:35:31] gonna try now [15:35:52] CAN MORE BROWSER COMPANIES START ALLOWING IMPORT BOOKMARKS ETC FROM VIVALDI PLEASE [15:36:21] Vivaldi? [15:36:28] yes [15:36:32] the browser... [15:38:09] oh it does allow it [15:39:37] isn't vivaldi chromium based? [15:39:45] yeah [15:39:53] sucks ass for developer experience [15:39:56] but the UI is nice [15:40:19] yeah, very much old opera, but I can't get used to that now [15:43:56] I used to use Opera [15:44:07] had to ditch because apparently theres some security concerns with the owners? [15:45:33] opera was my first browser cus i've seen my friend using it on their pc, but as soon as i discovered firefox it's just always firefox for me, except for brief period long time ago i used palemoon [15:50:15] Palemoon? Haven’t heard of that one [16:10:53] [1/3] firefox fork, advertised as privacy focused but devs turned out to be assholes [16:10:54] [2/3] I used it because ff had some major update which broke lots of add-ons, and pm was kinda still on old version or whatever so old add-ons worked [16:10:54] [3/3] eventually they updated too, so i kinda lost the point of using it + add-ons adjusted to "new" ff too by that time [18:35:49] Firefox doesn't support passkeys? or just not working for Gitlab? [18:43:24] doesn't work with google either 😦 [19:15:34] says Firefox supported passkeys since 122.. [19:15:51] -# ..unless you're on linux [19:16:49] does support physical keys tho, and i'd bet things like Bitwarden's passkey support would work [19:32:19] It does for me I think? Sometimes but I think those issues are just windows [19:32:30] maybe its a issue with mac then? [19:32:53] yeah Ig android would be considered physical for usage on mac? [19:33:41] could be [21:10:44] it feels like theres no alternative to developer edition although waterfox is just a fork without a purpose at this point since the main goal of waterfox was 64bit firefox [21:14:21] happy new year 🐍 [21:36:54] if you're worried about mozilla moves just wait till you try edge [21:37:44] vivaldi is a very third line browser and a rare thing for people to transition from, more import would be nice but it would be a novelty and I would wonder if just a chrome import tool could do it since it's all the same goop under the hood iirc [21:38:06] opera is about as bad as chrome on the spyware scale [21:38:32] but edge gives them both a run for their money, you're supplanting google intrusion with microsoft intrusion and barely adequate benefits to sell for it [21:39:09] I tend to warmly recommend librewolf as the only browser where I'm not turning off bullshit but instead dialing back protective behavior for convenience [21:39:52] firefox itself can be made yours much more than anything chrome based at least, even with official updates, and that is still something going for it imo [21:40:22] evidenced by reasonably trustworthy forks, chiefly librewolf that spawn from it [21:40:58] waterfox is firefox with some of the BS gutted but it does not go as far on that as librewolf and I see no reason to use it over a tuned firefox. Then there's floorp which is another firefox fork for idk, vivaldi people I think [22:34:36] @tali64 I think that the guy on Talk:Board means that he on behalf of `Company Worldwide Corporation Pty Ltd` seeks contact with the board members? Or do I read that wrong? [22:35:48] That's up for debate - I think it makes more sense that he wants to get in touch with the board members of "Company Worldwide Corporation Pty LTD" [22:37:23] Hmm. Just Googled it, but cannot find "Company Worldwide Corporation Pty Ltd" [22:39:16] [1/2] DuckDuckGo agrees [22:39:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1323782554221936640/image.png?ex=6775c413&is=67747293&hm=4cd49cd49ff8f1527af4b4b2c8d70039442f9ec19280b8e5783bfda3ff872279& [22:56:22] I think he's talking gibberish tbh [23:00:11] probably [23:13:12] <_arawynn> A happy new year from Germany 🎉 [23:14:54] o7 [23:35:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1323796758458798151/FB_IMG_1735688099161.jpg?ex=6775d14e&is=67747fce&hm=fc5b0e303463948e1925f9cf9c35b9277ec91a91fe15a0e83363ca0e316b61c4&