[00:37:52] What do you think? So, I managed to get my CSS down to 5 rules for light mode and 7 rules for dark mode, before there was 21 rules. [01:36:07] [1/3] Give people decent wages, like in Europe, where Tipping is something from the past. [01:36:07] [2/3] I can't remember when I even tipped someone. (Except for "keep the change") [01:36:07] [3/3] I know that Americans are getting confused when they visit Copenhagen and see that no one tips here 😄 [01:40:34] meanwhile tips are thrown on an increasing number of things in the US including fast food joints [01:41:06] there are several horribly backwards US things that europe kicks ass on [01:53:49] Reminds me. I asked if themes were allowed awhile ago but I was told there was a security issue with the old theme extension. That still an issue? [01:56:10] 💯 [01:56:19] ThemeToggle? [01:56:28] I think so? [01:57:38] It’s approved [01:58:01] pending installation [01:58:12] You can do it yourself if you’d like [01:58:22] its shrimple [01:58:30] [[User:PixDeVl/TC 101]] [01:58:30] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/TC_101 [01:58:31] [01:58:36] (does not come with shrimps unfortunately) [02:01:23] In other news, just listened to [[w:Brewster Kale]], Founder of the [[w:Internet Archive]], on the Radio [02:01:23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Kale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive [02:01:24] [1/2] [02:01:24] [2/2] [02:01:31] only caught the end thougj [02:28:40] Reading through that 101 and seeing all the examples made me realize I reallllly need to clean up my wikis style and code one of these days. [02:28:44] It looks like a mess rn lol [02:32:28] How so? [02:34:24] Rough code, lots of bits of styling I could never figure out (reference pop ups having the wrong colors namely). I have been making strides in regards of fixing it though. [02:35:50] i wanna style my wiki but i'm not a graphics designer lmao [02:38:52] you mean syntax highlighting? [02:38:58] same lmao [02:39:02] aww [02:39:06] ayy* [02:39:07] I’m staying in my backend cavern [02:39:09] bad ui buds [02:39:25] 🤝 [02:39:32] i'm gonna continue thinking of cursed contraption [02:39:34] s [02:39:39] do tell [02:40:43] i wonder if i should act upon my mitmproxy + curl-impersonate idea [02:42:33] this is fucking horrifying [02:43:06] (for claire, these are forwarded messages so don’t show up on irc) [02:43:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326380707743793212/image.png?ex=677f37cb&is=677de64b&hm=072878a530811946b93816220e406e9f5a06dc75819ef8164fcb208ac51b35e9& [02:43:35] agreed [02:43:38] just saw on fedi a few minutes ago [02:43:43] wtf is with some people istg [02:43:52] I’m actually a bit sick reading this. [02:44:26] > It is unclear whether this has begun. [02:44:39] Friendly reminder to check links [02:46:16] Fuck them all. [02:46:28] indeed. [02:46:37] They’re going to try to bully and harass Wikipedia apart? [02:46:42] Then so be it. [02:46:55] We will preserve. We will fight. We will win. [02:47:47] And add this to their own pages [02:48:43] If you want to intimidate the most powerful source of open knowledge in the world, fuck around and find out. [02:49:49] * BlankEclair is captivated by your speech [02:52:06] I’m a graphic designer but a shitty coder lol [02:52:18] oh hell yeah [03:04:23] claire [03:04:49] meow? [03:05:05] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806241429671510054/1324320266918301726/az_recorder_20241231_152039.jpg?ex=677ef91c&is=677da79c&hm=382b4498b45d49ff49cb23bb5465d4c43d55532a14a534b1ea117db693d1f686& [03:05:31] meow!! [03:05:41] what are those buttons though [03:05:49] Not sure [03:05:52] ill ask [04:03:01] hey uhh i need a bit of advice if you can dm me about it if you are free its about a new user being overly pushy about how things should be done and they come from a rival wiki so to say [04:12:29] I’ll be heading to bed soon, but I can provide my two cents [04:13:06] feel free to DM(if you’d like I can forward to confidential internal channels for more opinions [04:39:58] https://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/11/15/trans-woman-wants-ruling-after-topless-dmv-fiasco [04:48:05] wtf is this bullshit [04:48:13] i'm facing too high performance in my windows xp vm for playing witch's heart games [06:50:57] Games tying their speed to fps [06:52:33] nope [06:52:38] well, okay, yes [06:52:46] but fps is uncapped for some reason [10:33:40] You can try cap it with Riva Stat Tuner [10:49:59] max20091: https://files.catbox.moe/cruyoc.png [10:52:26] oh hey, remember these? xD https://files.catbox.moe/tohizq.png [10:54:31] Well that sucks, I saw them advertise support Win XP [10:55:41] That WMP, I still remember that [10:58:26] i think it's because vsync is not implemented? [10:59:19] Yea [11:00:31] Anyway, the game developer is supposed to cap 60FPS whether vsync or not [11:00:59] I guess vsync doesn't exist at that time [11:33:49] Peak [12:03:45] [1/4] Is it possible to make tabs do this? [12:03:45] [2/4] I did attempt to adapt the topnav code but it did nothing [12:03:46] [3/4] And so far, I've only seen people turn it into an accordion, which I personally don't think it fits for the portfolio [12:03:46] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326521726716215366/image.png?ex=677fbb21&is=677e69a1&hm=e3d9ea223ab0a4731970ba4ef3acf57ca2d425a483169962088c7b5d85841d5f& [12:23:55] [1/2] top 10 best features on fandom [12:23:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326526800636940339/image.png?ex=677fbfda&is=677e6e5a&hm=28eeb97dbb609dd8655e930b03b25eee7afbf98bf251a2b78d40183470b3c0c9& [12:24:23] not on fandom bby [12:24:51] [1/2] top 10 best surveys [12:24:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326527034419318805/image.png?ex=677fc012&is=677e6e92&hm=076197dcfcb61470b727080a290d093bb5acf5db422d889d7c3e78ed0a342b17& [12:47:17] _when something works in development but not in production grrr- [12:48:09] it do be like that [12:59:40] It's really unbelievable that yesterday was the 20 years anniversary of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire in Vietnam [13:01:03] Yes, we boardcast the show since 2005 and it's now been 2025, time really does fly [13:03:30] i'm still shocked that 2019 was like 5-6 years ago [13:04:07] your pfp looks familiar af [13:05:02] that's pisces zodiac sign [13:06:16] yeah but i swear i that pfp as a whole [13:06:19] i remember seeing it [13:06:24] in like an extension [13:06:50] citizen skin? [13:07:07] Ah right... UserProfileV2 [13:07:19] [1/2] ah [13:07:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326537723795869756/image.png?ex=677fca07&is=677e7887&hm=f7ed6569b6d322cbd1f283b5742f2c77ca1e0c06d018b2ca6f4b5da45624dd83& [13:07:30] wait you' [13:08:16] if so [13:08:18] thats epic [13:08:22] Original Authority made [13:08:25] ah [13:08:34] cool [13:08:42] I captured and upload the profile demonstration to Commons [13:09:07] ic [13:09:58] at that time I'm still figuring out a way to do global edit counter for this extension [13:10:39] PHP and i18n stuffs are really a learning curve for me [13:13:17] heh, one of my first things i've done when volunteering for miraheze was debugging citizen [13:13:26] turns out that i stumbled upon the localisation cache all by myself ^^; [13:14:00] o hi claire [13:14:11] meow :3 [13:14:20] https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-fortnite-peter-griffin-emoting-peter-griffin-dancing-peter-griffin-fortnite-dancing-peter-griffin-kit-emote-gif-18007351944948398582 [13:14:40] browsing https://tildes.net/~lgbt gives me uh... a wide range of emotions, shall i say [13:15:04] on one hand, you have the despair of seeing the US fucking over trans rights [13:15:17] on the other, someone in china successfully sued against a hospital for conversion therapy?? [13:15:25] [huh](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1249359485693198336.webp?size=48&name=huh) [14:21:08] How weird httpRequestFactory doesn't allow you to specify headers [14:33:39] https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/08/eu-court-fines-european-commission-for-breaching-its-own-data-privacy-laws/ [14:33:56] Even the people who wrote the GDPR can't follow it 😄 [14:38:47] Are you surprised? [14:38:55] Its the most convoluted thing ever [14:39:20] Simply asking "is X allowed under GDPR" opens up an entire can of worms [14:41:21] is blahaj allowed under gdpr? [14:45:16] right? [14:46:37] I couldn’t get it to work until I used createMultiClient [14:47:00] Wack [14:49:27] Heh no, not at all [14:51:20] Interesting, I just switched to Guzzle directly. [14:52:23] that's another solution as well [14:52:34] I did that too but CA showed me the way [14:52:53] Our lord [14:52:59] [15:07:37] I surmise using Guzzle directly is probably slightly faster than using httpRequestFactory anyway so (at least thats what im telling myself) [16:25:43] [1/2] a major magazine in my country just cited the unmoderated, largely unsourced, much smaller Fandom equivalent of my wiki topic I hate SEO [16:25:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326587650022309961/4b487d40edcb2c597ec9db18537c117e.jpg?ex=677ff886&is=677ea706&hm=ad93fc6a58a17431b4d6e35adba6e71608ae7737614a0eca6399ff038fd0436a& [16:26:09] bruh [16:35:10] I don't know if there's much more I can do in terms of SEO and like it doesn't matter that much anyway but damn this one stings 🥲 [16:36:24] they didn't made proper research then [16:41:44] the page they reference is actually pretty okay, it's more that the wiki as a whole is unmoderated, receiving vandalism, and other general shenanigans that make me surprised it still shows up so high in search results [17:02:55] Are you serious [17:13:29] Happens quite a lot. One of my wikis got stolen onto Fandom copied verbatim and ranked higher lmao [17:13:31] Fuck google [17:31:50] google has objectively gone out of their way to make search worse and I can link further arguments if anyone doubts the sincerity of that [17:32:17] nonetheless fandom goes to great lengths to play the game and that's always been their weapon unfortunately [17:34:19] Intersing enough, my wiki ranks above the fandom ones for "Taerel" [17:34:44] that is an obscure and specialized term that you probably have a good time monopolizing [17:34:49] your wiki is original stuff tho [17:35:20] if there was a big IP named Taerel the competition would be far different [17:38:02] Just kinda strange that it ranks above the fandom wiki index wikis about it [17:39:00] nah not strange in your case [17:42:37] Tbh if someone tried to steal my wiki's content, I will be contacting all writers to get them to fill DMCA take down notices [18:32:47] Yeah, its been a huge battle to get Telepedia to rank above the obscure russian fandom wiki of the same name but finally it has happened lol [19:32:57] One of the other key boosts your getting is that all these other high-SEO venues don't have substantial content on your topic, they have outlinks to your content, boosting your wiki's prominence for those keywords. "what links here" goes a long, long way. [19:34:14] Where links to my wiki? [19:36:32] [1/7] html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .mw-mf-page-list .title h3, .topic-title-list .title h3, .site-link-list .title h3, .mw-mf-page-list .title .mw-mf-user, .topic-title-list .title .mw-mf-user, .site-link-list .title .mw-mf-user, .mw-mf-page-list .title .component, .topic-title-list .title .component, .site-link-list .title .component, .mw-mf-page-list .title .i [19:36:32] [2/7] nfo, .topic-title-list .title .info, .site-link-list .title .info { [19:36:33] [3/7] color:white; [19:36:33] [4/7] } [19:36:34] [5/7] Any idea why this is being overidden by the light mode theme (same code, just black, not white), skin is the Wikimedia mobile skin (edited) [19:36:34] [6/7] [19:35] [19:36:34] [7/7] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326635673255543016/Screenshot_from_2025-01-08_19-33-40.png?ex=67802540&is=677ed3c0&hm=b7f50973d4ce7337c7c776b9fba16241d7a2ee0d24a91c2b507757a7e5edc2c3& [20:01:47] @rhinosf1 found a way to get a unhandled exception on wm phab [20:02:12] Want a sticker? [20:02:23] Yaaaaaaaay [20:02:40] 99.9999% sure it’s not a security issue but if you want I can dm [20:03:25] Oh, you mean like the links on wikis wiki (I think there was two others as well) on FANDOM, Tropedia on FANDOM, AllTheTropes on Miraheze and Tvtropes? [20:03:58] Go ahead [20:11:01] Also css, why do you have to be so annoying? somehow seach colors broke for both the search itself and the results and only on the mobile dark mode theme for some bleeding reason. [21:46:38] Would you say Timeless, Cosmos and Vector are the most used skins? I think those and maybe Vector 2022 [21:51:16] vector by and large simply by the default effect [21:51:26] cosmos and timeless are very high contenders as most common swaps though [21:58:19] I also found three Miraheze rips off farms [21:58:41] ripoff is a harsh term [21:58:46] ah, already changed [21:59:03] I mean, they are kinda Miraheze clones with numbers filed off [21:59:09] it comes with managewiki being an open, technically accessible technology [21:59:25] incredibly few people in the market have the skills to, well first set it up in the first place, but then remix it meaningfully [21:59:29] I do not think i would be able to run ManageWiki/Creative Wiki [21:59:51] it is not for the faint of heart and each wiki that's done it can get some minimum of respect for whoever was responsible [22:00:09] I am specific in that wording since not every farm's operator was the one who did it [22:00:51] Intersingly, one farm has cocopuff and tali as admins, one farm is agent isri as an admin and one has globe as an admin [22:01:05] there are four farms in that market [22:01:26] Wonder why they decided to set up their own farms [22:01:32] telepedia seems to be the one you missed and can be counted as the oldest spinoff, though it is looking into using other technologies [22:01:44] Forgot about telepedia [22:01:51] wikigrid should be considered more of a technical experiment and is agent's brainchild [22:01:59] sky is coco for all that entails [22:02:17] I think Agent is a lot better with wikis then me then [22:02:25] oasis is zippy with substantial assistance from waki and somewhat propped up by the efforts of others including myself and globe [22:02:38] Who is Zippy? [22:02:39] I treat it as an experiment as well [22:02:48] Grid? [22:02:49] zippy is not very known in these circles [22:03:00] I do not think I am well known either [22:03:24] telepedia is essentially the only true production farm that has a little seasoning and was initially meant as a sort of underdog between miraheze and fandom [22:03:31] it's shifted around in what it does and focuses on [22:03:47] the reception wiki is its main claim to fame but it holds a handful of humbler projects [22:04:18] I am supised the Recep wikis are sillm knicking [22:04:29] https://central.wikigrid.com/wiki/ [22:04:47] reception wikis generally do not die unless they are deliberately killed or melt down extraordinarily enough [22:05:08] but they do fester indefinitely, in rare cases they can find some tranquility or stability. Most of what remains has found some balance of that [22:06:14] All I remember Recpt wikis for is drama and bad css [22:07:08] their best known properties [22:07:44] Also, I do not know how well known I am in the wiki-verse [22:08:38] How well known do you think I am @away.from.keyboard ? [22:08:50] why are you pinging random people [22:09:03] It was a mistake, I tried to ping you [22:09:18] it is not needed when I am in immediate proximity [22:09:29] It was not a delibate thing [22:09:36] [1/2] thank you discord very cool [22:09:37] [2/2] it's so annoying w/ suggestions [22:09:39] I would be surprised if you are known outside of here and circles you immediately involve in [22:09:52] What was Discord doing? [22:10:03] and known is in terms of regulars here who've seen you, and no doubt remember these sorts of questions [22:10:41] [1/2] the accident wrong user ping, happened w/ enough times [22:10:41] [2/2] relating to your case just now [22:10:50] I struggle to understand how others see me [22:11:31] You know what I really hate about Discord? The d__n .deb file installs that I have to do to update when I end up closing my Discord cleint [22:14:27] Grid [22:14:49] Oh, and the d__n keyboard shortcuts I keep triggering by mistake - hate that about Discord as well [22:15:46] Is there any other skins you think are very commonly used?> [22:17:18] Grid [22:23:35] griddle [22:23:42] that's what it shoulda been called [22:24:17] carefully exercised damns are fine [22:25:01] You sent and deleted the link right [22:25:20] I think medik is somewhat popular but I might be projecting because I like it (and it's one of the few others that ticks a lot of boxes despite being a bit boring) [22:26:19] citizen, monobook are big ones [22:26:31] I was making a skin essay at some point, wonder if I saved the draft [22:27:00] nope, it never got saved [22:27:07] I honestly don’t even consider damn anything worth caring about or classified as profanity at all really, my opinion at least [22:27:16] Edit recovery? [22:27:21] damn is one of the lightest possible words [22:27:30] it was well into last year [22:27:46] somewhere around when I was doing miraheze stuff and made the call to just say fuck it for a while again [22:44:00] I would like to see such an essay. I would be corus to know your thoughts after all. Can you link me to all your essays, they are good reading? [23:06:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326688456209862666/image0.gif?ex=67805668&is=677f04e8&hm=7b53988e72b5e893285945e7a33b9b3a3a892cfecdbce550c8713982f26af990& [23:06:50] And speak of the telepedia the owner is here [23:07:51] no, they're rambly oddly formatted nonsense [23:08:05] I find them quite fasanating myself [23:08:06] but I will probably link something on my personal wiki when I get basic thoughts down and transplant it to meta when it is more serviceable [23:11:59] [1/2] there, working draft [23:11:59] [2/2] https://raidarr.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Skin_impressions [23:12:19] needs filling in and examples of skins in the wild, probably a disclaimer not to steal the examples [23:18:33] I think I am one of the few people who has heavily themed Vector 2022 and Menevia [23:18:54] minerva, probably [23:19:16] I know vector 22 has been played around with but can't think of any examples [23:19:34] any examples are welcome to be submitted though (might need to be via talk page there though) [23:20:16] When I see Vector 2022 90% or more of the time it is the default with no theming [23:21:02] checks out as not everyone will even consider theming at all for a newer wiki [23:21:19] considering willingness to theme at all is something I try to account for when rating skins [23:21:42] in that respect citizen offers a best in class default experience while I would say cosmos is not best for people not willing to get in the weeds [23:21:48] And I think those who care about theming would probly stick with Cosmos/Timeless/Old!Vector/ [23:22:14] the latter two are quite solid even without theming, really many skins are unless they're particularly bland or abysmally old [23:22:21] which a number of them are especially in mediawiki defaults [23:22:42] maybe nostalgia should become the miraheze default skin in april... [23:23:47] I remember the time I managed to theme Cosmos to a dark grey glass look with a background [23:23:51] [1/2] meta dot miraheze anyone [23:23:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1326692877744476221/image.png?ex=67805a86&is=677f0906&hm=c23d79e3f27d9bab6af4321aafee3c7c8217021dcdc3e4e316f54783a66bfb66& [23:25:35] @raidarr https://decapedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Decapedia cosmos exsample [23:30:20] DO you need me to try find some samples for other skins? [23:31:01] only if you'd like, built in some of those to the existing draft [23:31:13] I know legroom has some wikis I should pull up for timeless examples [23:32:34] there was a really good cosmos theme I'm trying to recall, your wiki would do too [23:45:33] My wiki does have 4 looks so would need 4 screenshots to show it [23:47:29] [1/3] I belive these wikis are either old vector or mono book [23:47:30] [2/3] https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [23:47:30] [3/3] https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/