[02:05:35] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_GothLoli.png [02:05:41] goth wikipedia, goth wikipedia [02:17:45] aww [03:01:14] https://blahaj.sg/ [03:01:16] no way [03:20:12] Would be cool a foss tiktok, why are people using rednote, that's just data stealing by the Chinese government [03:20:55] I remember that the #offtopic was so active [03:24:46] brb rewriting half of Extension:DismissableSiteNotice [03:28:08] data stealing argument kinda falls flat considering what Meta and Google are doing, but I see it equally silly/weird as suddenly trying to migrate to fucking VK [03:28:51] I remember that I wanted a VK acc and my mexican phone number didn't work [03:28:58] But that's wholesome american theft, which american congress can abide. 🙃 [03:29:37] It's all quite silly, but whatever reasons there were for distrusting tiktok, gotta agree with Emi that jumping to rednote seems... ill-advised. [03:30:33] especially considering how reluctant masses were in "this place is not good, let's try another" cases [03:31:41] Remember during the twitter exodus when like half of the clones were like 'come on over, we're totally not going to do 10x the invasive shit that Twitter was doing' [03:31:59] I forget the exact one, but there was one that caught doing some deeply shady shit and basically collapsed overnight. [03:38:22] TikTok has now been banned [03:38:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1330380815502413834/GhoEdmfWEAACuVV.png?ex=678dc52f&is=678c73af&hm=390eb1c48a62442246c270bd949f006746c15833d842d14bc75c73a1efd764a9& [03:39:26] Supposedly, TikTok retains full access to your contacts when it's downloaded on your phone, so it can see all personal data you may have of yourself or others. And you can't disable that. [03:44:07] I remember trying to register in wechat, to get access to some tiny app, and the damn thing required your voice for validation [04:00:29] wow [04:00:41] is hard :( [04:01:11] Bullshit, go to settings and disable that [04:01:33] why(to rewrite) [04:01:38] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T11209 [04:01:42] Nope - it still does [04:01:48] and i'm here like "hmm, what if we made it still work with no js" [04:01:56] and now i'm making it do a POST request when no js [04:02:02] blahaj ctf yo [04:02:05] yee [04:02:12] That’s total BS [04:02:17] i'm doing a [04:02:22] There’s no option in settings? [04:02:30] have you tried it [04:02:34] tried what? [04:02:41] Nope, it's all background [04:03:28] I do agree that TikTok likely poses a genuine national security risk, I just think it's unfortunate that a ban was the chosen route for prevention. [04:04:36] A CTF [04:04:42] ah, nah [04:04:46] That is not how it works [04:04:49] it should not be [04:05:12] [1/2] Any bit of data on your device an app can access should be prompt [04:05:12] [2/2] Ed [04:05:55] I agree, but that's why it's a nat sec risk [04:06:05] You use iOS? [04:06:08] yep [04:06:22] Nothing about contacts in settings? [04:06:45] https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-656_ca7d.pdf [04:07:15] God fuck apple I thought privacy was the one thing they were sometimes good at [04:07:30] Im too tired for this shit [04:07:33] :zuka_disgust: [04:07:44] Sorry, I misread an article earlier it appears. It background accesses other data (not contacts), but when it accesses your contacts + photos, it retains them instead of deleting them like other companies do. [04:07:47] it = tiktok [04:08:20] So yeah, it's a privacy risk for sure [04:09:39] LMAO Lemon8 was banned too 😂 [04:11:11] Im too tired for the we need noncommercial and decentralized open web and social media [04:11:20] claire do you wanna do the spiel [04:11:41] hm? [04:12:51] hm? [04:24:10] Bye tiktok for the ones in a US state where is already tomorrow [04:26:00] Thanks for the additional context on this, sketchy retention was something I had heard, but wasn't clear on specifics. [04:34:08] is tiktok banned for yall? [04:34:15] [1/2] been seeing a lotta tweets [04:34:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1330394872451956838/image.png?ex=678dd247&is=678c80c7&hm=9a2e0db65dc25021a19352ae85c4a8a2258a090d0fec09c0db696d1b30f314b0& [04:34:59] are you asking for non-us citizens? [04:35:41] no only us [04:36:39] well considering it has been banned on a national level i would assume it would be banned for most if not all americans [04:36:55] it got banned in india like years ago [04:37:02] wouldnt be surprised about any stragglers though [04:37:03] honstly good for us folks here! [04:37:51] depending on how the presidency swings here (philippines) in the next national election we may or may not see similar :kekpossum: [04:38:00] <.guardianx.> Tikitok was one of the more "Free" platforms but man there was a LOT of questionable stuff on it. Youtube rabbit-holes have nothing on falling down a hole on tiktok [04:38:19] (each of the big political factions are very squarely either pro-us or pro-china, with sitting faction being pro-us) [04:38:26] true [04:38:58] whenever i went into tiktok lives rabbitholes it was the closest thing i think ill get to consuming a hallucinogen [04:39:31] <.guardianx., replying to pixldev> I wanna say Mastodon tried this and it turned into a VERY questionable, I'll say lightly, space in some places. [04:40:35] <.guardianx.> Any truly free and open platform will be a nightmare to curate / police. [04:41:03] the gays are chill, but there's a lot of drama from time to time [04:41:25] so the gays are not chill? :KEK: [04:41:44] yeah, I got it when using VPN [04:41:54] <.guardianx.> it reminds me of the matrix meme where neo takes the red and blue pill and Morpheus just looks at hime like "Okay guess we are doin this" [04:42:14] i mean when it comes to social media i always think about the public spaces kind of paradigm [04:42:45] Imma use chatgpt to do a tiktok copy (only software no server) with PHP, for the US citizens ❤️🇺🇸 [04:43:14] [1/2] and in the world outside the internet the ones that are policing public spaces are, well, the police and the government [04:43:14] [2/2] and that really goes with any sort of public space at scale, which is that you need something that will moderate it at scale [04:44:25] <.guardianx.> I think, ultimately, people will go back to forums or group based content creation. maybe an IRC clone / flavour will come back [04:44:44] arent we in one right now :HappySwad: [04:44:53] <.guardianx.> Ehhh kinda [04:45:13] <.guardianx.> Discord controls a lot of things and you are basically playing in comeone elses back yard [04:46:10] [1/2] yeah but its probably the step towards what you're saying [04:46:11] [2/2] when i was still using twitter it was always "why is every community locked in discord" ad nauseum [04:46:48] <.guardianx.> I wish places would stop trying to get me to attach other social platforms to it under the veil of "Ease" [04:47:00] <.guardianx.> "Log in with your facebook account!" [04:47:07] <.guardianx.> link your twitter! [04:47:14] <.guardianx.> tell us your address! [04:47:44] <.guardianx.> I liken it to, "If it would feel creepy coming from an Ex...it's likely creepy" [04:48:03] i can see that [04:55:45] from Windscribe (vpn) server [04:56:02] so it's forced from their side as well [05:15:57] But Mastodon is built around freedom of association, so you can pick or host an instance that won’t federate with that. [05:17:02] That’s most of the web these days [05:17:21] I have a video link related for this ill send in the morning [05:18:19] I use Mastodon as my main microblogging social and really my only Social Media off of discord [05:18:44] The Fediverse is far from perfect but it has my respect, and I wouldn’t really chose anything else [05:19:18] yeah, honestly, most of my problems are from the mentally ill trans women /lh [05:19:38] i just realised how discriminatory that looks after writing it oh my god [05:20:23] would like to clarify claire is transgender so probably not transphobic [05:20:32] For everyone else [05:20:37] mhm [05:21:11] https://files.catbox.moe/6qqu36.png [07:23:35] yes [07:24:16] I honestly don’t get the whole “oh masto is full or horrible people” thing because I haven’t encountered a single thing of that sort [07:24:26] like [07:24:53] either those people don’t know anything about fedi or they use instances with absolutely horrible blocklists [08:02:44] speaking of fediverse things [08:03:14] what’s people’s opinion on the sort of forced move of c/196 to lemmy.world, I dislike it IMO [09:07:32] anyone remember the magic word to see the number of miraheze wikis that have installed an extension [09:32:45] [1/2] pogchamp [09:32:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1330469993359343720/jzWc97OVMA.gif?ex=678e183d&is=678cc6bd&hm=f5fbbb52e5719919a21b76230c45d48cfb44a3e720b24d93b57cdbaad65a8b7f& [10:13:45] [1/3] There isn't a social media platform that doesn't attract rebellious and hateful types that want to stir up toxicity. [10:13:45] [2/3] BlueSky is rather new, (A Twitter like platform) and seems to be doing okay for now, but there have already been seen a few of those loonies. [10:13:46] [3/3] Society has been rotten for a long time, and that can be seen as an effect of said society. [11:59:54] [1/3] ``` [11:59:55] [2/3] {{NUMBEROFWIKISUSINGEXTENSION: extension_name_in_lowercase}} [11:59:55] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NUMBEROFWIKISUSINGEXTENSION:Template:_extension_name_in_lowercase [11:59:55] [3/3] ``` [12:08:03] Ah yes [12:08:15] Wonder if theres a way to fetch that to the static site [12:08:21] via js [12:08:23] probably [12:15:42] [1/2] -# by that i mean i also wish my problems were from mentally ill tgirls [12:15:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1330510998779596821/images.png?ex=678e3e6d&is=678ceced&hm=ed08c0a4eed8ada71c23380f1f60d27d08acdb3a5c9856514b8b143b6fde7a27& [12:15:58] lmao [13:47:04] ||https://youtu.be/Ppa-LULpJ1s?si=d5qr_abKpHuckgk4|| [13:58:39] [1/4] Bad gateway [13:58:39] [2/4] The web server reported a bad gateway error. [13:58:39] [3/4] Ray ID: 90475592ce07930a Your IP address: - - - - Error reference number: 502 Cloudflare Location: Copenhagen [13:58:40] [4/4] That was not expected 😛 [16:31:43] Wow [16:31:51] I slept till 11:30 [17:07:41] <.guardianx., replying to pixldev> [1/3] Oh yeah, I think thats kinda the point I'm trying to make not all that well (hehe), there is a slider where you can have "Freedom" on a platform or app or whatever but it comes at a social perception cost of sorts (towards the platform or people that use it.) because eventually someone will do something that others don't like with that freedom OR the platform [17:07:41] <.guardianx., replying to pixldev> [2/3] will become associated with dark things. [17:07:41] <.guardianx., replying to pixldev> [3/3] I don't think locally hosted decentralized products are going away any time soon, at least I hope not. Part of me hopes more government crackdowns happen and force people away from the comfort apps and into making their own things, but the pessimist in me says that all things eventually turn into systems of control. [17:07:55] Lazy [17:08:33] I was home last 1 AM from NYC [17:08:44] Okay fair [17:09:22] Is past noon still breakfast [17:10:15] Brunch [17:10:24] Eh good enough [17:10:50] I’m gonna go finish my Devil’s Food cheesecake from Juniors [17:16:13] there's also freedom... in line with your beliefs [17:16:40] much is decided by how groups respond when you push their buttons [17:16:56] Freedom? In the US? [17:16:57] _looks at TikTok_ [17:19:20] I'm very quick to tell you it's funny hypocrisy coming from the US government considering how happy they are to molest the data of their own citizens let alone international users, or target people with 'unsavory' beliefs [17:19:53] opposition to american imperialism being the usual historical net they cast [17:28:31] The TikTok issue is complex [17:28:53] <.guardianx., replying to originalauthority> [1/2] I mean the ironic part to me is that the rest of the world has similar, if not greater, freedoms but the US being so vocal about their freedoms and then having limits on those freedoms casts a very strange light on freedoms in-general. [17:28:53] <.guardianx., replying to originalauthority> [2/2] The irony isn't lost on people in the US either I would add. [17:32:43] the US is hardly the worst on the market for that but it can take a lot of pages out of europe to be a whole lot better [17:34:23] My 2 main issues with the TikTok ban is none of the rest of the world seem to deem it such a serious risk [17:34:32] And what about every other Chinese company [17:34:34] Where's the line [17:34:44] <.guardianx., replying to rhinosf1> Part of me wants the korean internet rules lightly applied. No social media / internet presence without proof of being an adult or, maybe tied to an adult / guardian. [17:35:13] <.guardianx.> thats some hot bigbrother level garbage though [17:35:38] At lot of the world are considering varying levels of age protection [17:35:47] Australia has the strictest laws coming [17:35:56] But the UK is for adult sites [17:36:11] <.guardianx.> I don't understand parents that let their kids social media personally. Like I know parents that didn't let their kids get the covid vaccine that let their kids social media...So strange [17:36:28] That wouldnt solve the TikTok problem though [17:36:53] We've grown through a time where the internet has grown quick [17:37:03] <.guardianx.> Was there even a foundational level for the TT problem? [17:37:09] <.guardianx.> or was it a collection of things [17:37:27] for a long time I'd been very 'parents just need to be more responsible' but I've weened on that seeing how frankly moronic parents can be, even beyond technology; it's not necessarily good to leave it up to them at least entirely which frustrates me because that opens the door to other more meddling steps (the only other parties are government or businesses...) [17:37:32] If you compare computers when @pixldev, our baby in the channel started high school, to me to an old man like @.labster there's a huge difference [17:37:56] It's noticeable massively to me the difference between current kids and when I was one [17:38:01] Never mind anyone actually old [17:38:13] Yes, there's foundation there [17:38:15] I would probably rather be in total opposition to the world trend of verification laws than give in to steps which will probably be overreach though [17:38:19] But there's a few big questions [17:39:30] <.guardianx., replying to rhinosf1> I heard a lot of "things" but I don't wanna repeat some of them, I just wonder how much of what I heard was assumptions vs valid [17:40:04] The argument is that china could use the data TikTok holds to spy on US citizens [17:40:11] And that the risk is too significant [17:40:31] <.guardianx.> Ehh idiots posted geolocs to facebook and we still have facebook [17:40:32] Which makes me think: 1) what about citizens of every other western country? [17:40:49] 2) what about any other company in any less than friendly nation [17:41:08] US don't care about the risk of the US spying on Americans [17:41:11] when parents don't allow the kids will find the other ways or substitutes (cough fandom discussions cough) [17:41:16] Facebook's Americans [17:41:26] more specifically, how about the US doing the exact same thing to US and non US citizens [17:41:50] I'm not bothered about that as much [17:41:53] or in absence of that doing the obvious loophole of just buying all the data [17:41:59] But if TikTok is such a threat to the UK [17:42:06] Why not UK or EU [17:42:16] They ain't coming up with similar ideas to my knowledge [17:42:16] that is on them to individually decide [17:42:18] <.guardianx., replying to rhinosf1> I understand that but my point is stupid people will stupid no matter the platform. [17:42:31] The security risk is less though [17:42:35] I got Internet access at 17 because broke, and while it didn't stop me from making some mistaked the first few years, I kind of glad I didn't have it all during my teenagehood [17:42:44] It's about what the Chinese could extract from ByteDance's servers [17:42:52] it is pretty funny that the country of free speech is the first to ban before UK which has a horrible record digitally or the EU [17:43:00] Ye but surely they would if the risk was there [17:43:15] they might disagree about that, or the extent to which it is a threat [17:43:29] to me that's not a really big point, they just go about it differently [17:44:33] Eh it does challenge the reasoning behind the ban a bit [17:44:46] It's a fairly unprecedented action [17:44:58] It's going to be interesting to see what happens next [17:45:29] Social Media for kids keep shutting down [17:46:05] I didn't have a phone until I was 10 [17:46:12] And that phone didn't run Facebook [17:46:20] It's battery lasted about 3 text messages [17:46:28] It really was for emergency purposes only [17:46:31] I was an ipad kid [17:47:04] That phone was seriously dodgy [17:47:12] Damn [17:47:21] I've had social media since I was 13 [17:47:41] Tech was still quite new [17:48:04] I'm on the very backend of the era where phones and computers become everywhere [17:48:29] <.guardianx., replying to ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] Anything aimed directly towards kids is a "Dangerous" thing IMHO. [17:48:30] <.guardianx., replying to ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] Sure, it doesn't HAVE to be dangerous and it usually doesn't START as dangerous, but when you mix kids with anything you get creepers that try to worm their way into it and eventually it just becomes a place that shouldn't cater to kids anymore. [17:48:31] Hmp [17:48:31] The iPhone is younger than me [17:48:45] Are you younger than the iPhone? [17:49:58] <.guardianx.> A lot falls to the old as heck phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" [17:50:14] Creepers are everywhere. The internet only makes it easier for them to reach you. [17:50:32]