[00:13:09] Maybe post this also in #volunteering ? [00:53:37] Insane https://agora.echelon.pl/objects/310d887d-e111-48a4-9331-bc9e6b8cdd3b [01:08:20] one of my favourite reasons why i hate ads [01:08:28] adblocking is antivirus [01:09:08] Surely ad block doesn't work for these, though? [01:09:23] it does [01:09:28] Oh really? [01:09:31] uBlock Origin does at least [01:09:37] not sure about the others [01:09:43] the others are blagh [01:09:47] ubo is the only viable contender [01:09:56] I would've thought they were just regular search results with a badge so as blockers would have trouble differentiating [01:10:08] they'll sniff the badge [01:10:12] among much more [01:10:13] Adds fuel to the fact that: Google fucking sucks [01:10:32] I layer with script and object blocking but realistically ubo does most of the work [01:10:48] which you can also do with ubo but I find noscript more intuitive to use for that purpose [01:11:08] Meh i objectively just scroll down past those instinctively now so idek if my ad blocker is blocking those lol [01:11:20] malware has no purpose to visit my screen [01:11:37] its overt layered trackers have no reason to be there though I know fingerprinting is still possible [01:12:41] dark patterns become indistinguishable enough that my preference is to opt out entirely [01:12:44] i'm sure ubo has prevented more than one accidental malware click on my parents' computer [01:12:53] it helps I don't really use google anyway [01:12:57] at most in proxied form [01:13:07] I'm a sucker for bing tbf [01:13:16] ddg is the only way I would use bing [01:13:17] Results are much better [01:13:24] But the UI is so bad its horrid [01:13:31] another reason I use ddg instead [01:13:33] They need to add some padding around the results [01:13:47] Haven't tried might give it a whirl [01:13:53] But then you dont get the bing points [01:14:09] bing potholes have no hold on me [01:14:19] it is all artificial ecosystem fluff [01:15:04] like most else these days it helps to have several options, currently ddg, brave, searx and whoogle would be options I'd choose [01:15:14] the last two with a somewhat known/reputable instance [01:15:25] Isnt searx discontinued? [01:15:32] it's searxng now [01:15:46] Oh [01:15:51] Never heard of whoogle wtf [01:16:01] a very simpler form of what searxng does [01:16:22] also simpler to stuff on a server or desktop container and let go [01:16:56] I'd probably use a miraheze searxng tbh [01:17:11] it would be way off mission and not add much or pay its way, but it would be fun [01:18:18] Miroogle [01:18:23] Trademarking that brb [01:29:39] Wikia Search spiritual successor [01:32:54] wikia did fucking what [01:36:33] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikia_Search [01:37:58] It was never a success. I never even heard about it 😄 [01:38:51] god, i don't really like the mediawiki way of having branches per mw release [01:39:44] huh [01:53:42] To switch topics, to the dual surprise and non-surprise of everyone, Iggy Pop is still touring at 77 [02:00:46] when you finally find out the root cause of https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13102 [02:00:55] now i gotta figure out how to patch it :/ [02:09:24] You absolute madhuman. Wishing you success in the codedive 🫡 [02:09:36] This is so cursed [02:09:42] who wants to guess what I found [02:12:39] https://mirahezepedia.fandom.com/f [02:13:09] Horrifying [02:13:18] okay, so [02:13:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1330721817496916000/image0.gif?ex=678f02c4&is=678db144&hm=f5805bbb9049a6d15a2258ec7c09524698000ede64489fdabf5522b0b4ac2a3d& [02:13:29] the reason for the bug is that other settings depend on the value of `skin` for `hide-if` [02:13:48] so for example, vector only shows `Constants::PREF_KEY_LIMITED_WIDTH` if `'hide-if' => [ '!==', 'skin', Constants::SKIN_NAME_MODERN ]` [02:14:01] @agentisai and @rhinosf1 have pages on there [02:14:05] but, if the skin option is removed/hidden, then you can't really check for something that doesn't exist [02:14:07] therefore [02:14:17] you get the would-be undescriptive " DomainException: MediaWiki\HTMLForm\HTMLForm::getField: no field named skin" [02:14:34] Huh [02:14:36] thing is though: how tf do i get this to work... [02:14:51] hiding all options that depend on hidden options is kinda hacky, but i think that gets the job done? [02:14:57] Can you do an or fallback? [02:15:21] but if you, say, hide `skin` and have the default set to vector-2022, you may want to see vector-2022-specific options in there [02:15:29] which hiding them all wouldn't do [02:15:32] > [20/01/2025 13:14] Can you do an or fallback? [02:15:33] wdym? [02:15:46] > He is the leader of that farm [02:15:48] I’m flattered [02:15:56] LMAO [02:16:07] I remember there used to be a meta.fandom.com whose creator was “Doug (Miraheze)” [02:16:18] wow, wiki is out of date already [02:16:19] Wat [02:16:22] Our once and future king? [02:16:29] i'm now in there :(( [02:16:33] not* [02:16:46] the prophecy [02:16:51] hm? [02:16:58] wdym "an or fallback" [02:17:04] Who wants to start Arthurian legends about volunteers, not this human. [02:18:11] [1/21] ```The Tale of NotAracham: The Volunteer of the Round Table [02:18:11] [2/21] In the distant land of Miraheze, nestled between the realms of Collaboration and Knowledge, there arose a humble yet valiant figure known as NotAracham. While not born of noble blood, NotAracham's reputation grew for their unwavering dedication to the preservation of free knowledge and the sanctity of community spirit. Their deeds would come to rival even those of the knights of Ca [02:18:11] [3/21] melot. [02:18:12] [4/21] ### The Call to Service [02:18:12] [5/21] The legend begins in the early days of Miraheze, a place where wikis flourished like blooming flowers, each unique in purpose and vision. Yet, as with any kingdom, chaos loomed on the horizon. Vandals, spammers, and the shadowy forces of server downtime threatened the stability of the realm. Amid this turbulence, the Council of Sysadmins sent forth a call for brave volunteers to up [02:18:12] [6/21] hold the principles of Miraheze: openness, freedom, and fairness. [02:18:13] [7/21] NotAracham, a quiet scribe from the northern reaches of the kingdom, stepped forward. Armed only with a quill, a keen intellect, and a heart full of resolve, they pledged to defend Miraheze against all threats. It is said that their oath resonated so deeply that the servers hummed with renewed vigor that very day. [02:18:13] [8/21] ### The Trials of the Volunteer [02:18:13] [9/21] Before being granted a place at the Round Table of Miraheze Volunteers, NotAracham had to prove their worth through three great trials. [02:18:13] [10/21] 1. The Trial of the Unreadable Documentation [02:18:14] [11/21] The first trial required NotAracham to decipher ancient, convoluted documentation left by the Elders of MediaWiki. Many before them had been driven to madness by the labyrinthine text, but NotAracham, with patience and determination, unraveled its mysteries. They reorganized the knowledge into clear, accessible guides, earning the gratitude of countless users. [02:18:14] [12/21] 2. The Siege of the Spam Horde [02:18:15] [13/21] In their second trial, NotAracham faced the relentless assault of the Spam Horde, a vast army of bots seeking to defile the purity of Miraheze's wikis. With the legendary tool AntiSpamEngine, forged in the depths of the Sysadmin Forge, NotAracham tirelessly fought back the invaders. Their vigilance became legendary, and the Horde was routed. [02:18:15] [14/21] 3. The Quest for the Lost Template [02:18:16] [15/21] The final trial sent NotAracham on a perilous journey to recover the Lost Template of Infobox Harmony, an artifact said to unify wikis through perfect formatting. Deep within the caverns of Outdated Extensions, they battled the dreaded Error 500 beast and retrieved the template, bringing balance to wikis far and wide. [02:18:16] [16/21] ### The Knighting of NotAracham [02:18:17] [17/21] Having triumphed in the trials, NotAracham was summoned to the Great Hall of Miraheze. There, the High Steward proclaimed, "For your selfless service, unparalleled wisdom, and unwavering commitment to this realm, I name you NotAracham, Volunteer of the Round Table." The other knights—brave sysadmins, moderators, and content creators—cheered as the table's newest member took their p [02:18:17] [18/21] lace. [02:18:18] [19/21] ### Legacy of the Volunteer [02:18:18] [20/21] To this day, the tale of NotAracham inspires all who seek to contribute to Miraheze. It is said that when the kingdom is in peril, their spirit can still be felt, guiding volunteers in their noble quest to defend knowledge and community. Many wikis bear a hidden tribute to NotAracham, a small note in their code: . [02:18:19] [21/21] And so, the legend of NotAracham endures, a beacon of hope and dedication in the ever-expanding universe of free knowledge.``` [02:18:38] no way, we got miraheze lore [02:19:54] hmm, i give up on this bug [02:21:58] Check the skin in the hook that adds the preference would be the safest bet rather than in the form [02:22:11] Would add some overhead but it would be minimal [02:22:41] what about stuff like vector-2022 preferences that only show if you're on vector-2022? [02:25:22] They seem to do it like mirage [02:25:27] ? [02:25:28] Wouldn't be how i would do it but heh [02:25:38] Or modern [02:25:44] Whichever skin it is you're looking at [02:25:49] Thought it was mirage [02:26:25] 👏 [02:26:28] Beautiful [02:27:23] (Wait i get what you're saying now) [02:27:36] That appears to be a fatal flaw in vectors design [02:28:11] fatal flaw? [02:28:17] core also does it fyi [02:28:23] skin-responsive depends on the value of skin [02:29:44] Then it must be an issue with GlobalPreferences [02:29:47] ..? [02:30:01] i reproduced it on my local test wiki with no extensions enabled [02:30:10] Oh [02:30:13] Fuck knows then [02:30:34] til there's a system message that says "No extensions currently installed." [02:30:39] you don't see that, like, ever xD [02:31:43] The issue seems pretty clear cut though, if its only happening because of that line in Vector then Vector must be the problem [02:31:43] > [20/01/2025 13:30] Fuck knows then [02:31:57] some settings do hide-if if `skin` is or is not some value [02:32:05] but when you hide a setting, it's more like removing that setting [02:32:06] MediaWiki in a nutshell [02:32:25] so when validation is done for a setting, it tried to check `hide-if` [02:32:32] but since `skin` is not a thing, it throws [02:32:47] Where are the examples of that being done in core though? [02:33:04] Whaaaaat [02:33:11] ChatGPT, you shouldn't have. [02:33:20] skin-responsive [02:33:53] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/a9f3644eb490579e227170e76345a83ed6171047/includes/preferences/DefaultPreferencesFactory.php#976 [02:34:02] (you'll need to back up a bit to understand what hide-if is) [02:35:35] Potentially that runs before $wgHiddenPrefs [02:35:44] it does yeah [02:36:40] That makes sense then [02:36:43] The issue is vector [02:36:55] what [02:36:59] That hook presumably runs after wgHiddenPrefs [02:37:02] Apple suggested I edit my week day alarm for tmr because of the holiday [02:37:03] uh, no [02:37:04] rare W [02:37:15] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/a9f3644eb490579e227170e76345a83ed6171047/includes/preferences/DefaultPreferencesFactory.php#266 [02:37:23] hiding is done in loadPreferenceValues [02:37:26] Although it mentioned Inaguration day and not the actual holiday im off for [02:37:35] I love that 😂 [02:38:00] Wildly inaccurate and apocryphal, as any good arthurian legend should be. [02:38:01] if you hide all the settings that depend on `skin`, then it does work [02:39:16] Historians are the worlds most respected fanfic writers [02:39:20] In that case then, is it better handling in global prefs, managewiki, or both that would be needed in this case? Hm. [02:39:21] (im so sorry) [02:39:38] yeah, i dunno what the proper fix is >_> [02:39:42] global prefs isn't involved though [02:39:53] > [20/01/2025 13:39] Historians are the worlds most respected fanfic writers [02:40:12] how about those who make religious works [02:42:49] [1/2] Depends on what kind of religious works. [02:42:49] [2/2] Prosa, History, Self help, Artistic. I have a lot of religious books. [02:43:03] ah, true [02:43:10] 😉 [02:43:11] uhh, what category does the bible count under [02:44:05] So help me if there's ever a stained-glass work documenting our minor technological miracles... [02:44:36] [[w:Category:Ancient literature]] [[w:Category:Religious texts]] [02:44:36] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_literature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religious_texts [02:44:37]

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[2/2] [02:45:17] btw, this was an interesting sight: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_Post_vending_machine_in_Queen_Victoria_Market.jpg [02:45:45] Wait... what? [02:46:04] a vending machine [02:46:08] for australia post [02:46:26] Is that for branded foodstuffs, shipping objects, or both? [02:46:40] shipping objects [02:46:42] [1/2] Shood check: [02:46:43] [2/2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Croquette_vending_machines_@_Febo_@_Rotterdam.jpg [02:46:46] Because one of those definitely looks like AusPo pizza rolls [02:46:49] FOOOD [02:46:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Post#Vending_machines [02:47:07] i- huuuh [02:47:09] i'm hungry now [02:47:26] hehe [02:47:37] [1/2] And for those who love music: [02:47:37] [2/2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grammofoonplatenautomaat_in_de_Kalverstraat,_Bestanddeelnr_909-3179.jpg [02:48:16] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Medicijnautomaat_bij_apotheek_bij_Romeynshof.jpg [02:48:21] Or medicines [02:48:42] In the Netherlands everything could be bought from vending machines [02:49:11] blahaj [02:49:17] Eggs, Cigarettes, Spices, Condoms [02:49:30] ...wait... [02:49:39] so you could have a literal thyme machine. 😄 [02:49:48] Whahaha [02:50:19] Japan too [02:50:28] comicfury wiki: https://comicfury.com/wiki/ [02:50:36] I didn’t know Nl was same [02:50:45] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Data_privacy_training [02:50:49] But japan is well known for it [02:50:57] ? [02:51:05] Disregard, wrong chat [02:51:13] somebody ought to make a (full-sized) blahaj vending machine [02:51:41] :Sus: [02:52:27] i wonder, what is involved in said training [02:52:47] It's pretty baseline, but that's the point [02:53:11] Ensuring there's a basic working understnding of 'what is a PII, what does that mean for GDPR' [02:53:18] [1/4] > yeah, i dunno what the proper fix is >_> [02:53:19] [2/4] > [02:53:19] [3/4] The issue seems to be, if I'm looking correctly now: [02:53:19] [4/4] ```$info = &$defaultPreferences[$name];``` and the for loop that comes after. The "skin" section is unset, but it doesn't take into account the fact the preferences that have "skin" as their section which should also be unset from the form, I think [02:53:26] More for compliance then anything [02:53:52] Imo a bit of an unfortunate expenture, given we paid what [02:53:56] originalauthority: but that raises a question: what if users want to show some skin-dependent settings? [02:53:56] 1k for 10? [02:54:36] Not quite that, it worked out to be dirt cheap vs alternatives, we actually got like, 20 I think? [02:54:49] That’s horrifying [02:54:55] Training sucks, universally [02:54:55] lol [02:55:17]