[05:22:35] [1/3] My favorite thing about Citizen. [05:22:35] [2/3] You can edit the text in the footer. [05:22:35] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334030913587122176/IMG_20250128_212125.jpg?ex=679b0c9a&is=6799bb1a&hm=196828e43de6c995333cad413829154cec57de69b52b02b5dee03e3aa9cea635& [05:23:24] And yes I am still using Android, so that people don't lunge at me like they usually do. [05:41:10] [1/2] Miraheze (not MediaWiki this time) bug [05:41:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334035589863051335/Screenshot_20250128-214020.png?ex=679b10f5&is=6799bf75&hm=89fc71a3c1793ea98543800e6c4fc8ce4f526c2ef950144b0784dae1e894212e& [06:24:52] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334046587042664519/IMG_6549.png?ex=679b1b33&is=6799c9b3&hm=8d9010111e1383ab8c610457280cf703eb9d11759ded06606de71f2175e64689& [06:24:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334046587353305209/IMG_6550.png?ex=679b1b33&is=6799c9b3&hm=c7d102e5a9a7cca0ef1d3808aeb33f4d9b1edb42800bd13cda3cc64a72201810& [06:25:12] can we just annihilate this specific strain of web “developer” [07:01:30] @groupnebula563_0765 I'm pretty sure miraheze won't run on a Nokia from 1999 too tbh [07:02:08] Well ye TLS1.3 was only announced in 2018 [07:02:54] You would have had to have been receiving software updates in the last 6 years or so [07:05:47] [1/3] "experimental nostalgia" aside, people who stick to still use old phones don't care about most of the features, including Internet browsing, speaking from experience within my family [07:05:47] [2/3] but also, I had Nokia E72 between 2014 and 2017, I think, I just was too broke to have a proper, by new standards, phone and yeah, I tried to use opera mini on it but it was daunting [07:05:48] [3/3] and then I was given iphone 4 [07:10:08] once elders in my fam got touchscreens they never completely got into them, not even remembering how it was w/ ole cellphones [07:10:29] man I love typos [07:32:55] I mean fair [07:33:47] the point I was trying to make in the comment was that if someone can make a discord client that does run on a Nokia from 1999, then discord can support a WebKit version that lost support not even 5 months ago [07:50:09] I mean as someone who does security assurance, please don't run unsupported software [07:50:20] WebKit has a vulnerability every other bloody update [07:57:33] unsupported software is only acceptable if it's old enough to be retro or vintage /silly [08:01:10] Morning BlankEclair [08:01:17] mornyan~ [08:01:34] fair [08:02:22] however, this is 2 iOS versions old and still a fairly regular user-agent to see on the interwebs [08:02:44] if it was like iOS 9 then I’d be like yeah no need to support that, that’s understandable [08:02:57] but again this is a version of iOS that lost support not even a year ago [08:04:28] like this device is my daily driver [08:05:16] why must discord not put in a miniscule amount of effort to make their site work on a device where every other site and app I am aware of functions perfectly [12:53:14] Because the path of least resistance is to dismiss the tiny fraction of a percent who do that and it will become more and more common [12:53:29] It's a shame, but it is the trend [14:09:00] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:BantBirder [14:09:00] [2/3] Please give a warm welcome to our newest "Fandom Refugee" [14:09:00] [3/3] Great way to introduce yourself 😄 [14:28:55] How I felt when I saw one of my friends from Fandom and having their main wiki moved to wiki.gg [14:50:45] As someone who left fandom (partially since I'm still moving stuff) to Mira for my wiki I get the feeling 😅 [16:19:34] [1/2] That was quick? [16:19:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334196247602397295/bafkreibg234bvvg5lro477fbusup2434u5wg5bi6dsgnbp4qrbrl6wlo7ejpeg.png?ex=679ba695&is=679a5515&hm=b4afe7c4614f97d8b4180a7248b0d477620d91455669c8d14e23ef8d2a123c3e& [16:26:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334198083491467305/bafkreia325zoo7caoxfgfbbbdutlvn3vidqwp2auegsiqqj7aqlyxp4wwijpeg.png?ex=679ba84b&is=679a56cb&hm=062cc8f4019f511bf84daa84279e22aa4c31e301cfc65e960b947eb3a4e9f07e& [16:35:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334200197919805461/bafkreia3hgpr344kcirbug2rnafanc4gzlpurrbrba5ilwpqdz5tk67toijpeg.png?ex=679baa43&is=679a58c3&hm=eef7b007c004907309828c176fcb71abd13a8a335210a3d66d143c51e5a6b37d& [16:35:41] BlueSky has already reached 30 million accounts [19:52:13] :0 omg [20:04:35] Sad [20:05:14] sad? [20:05:17] Yes [20:05:30] why? [20:05:30] Why sad? [20:05:47] I am happy happy happy [20:05:56] I hate X with a passion! [20:06:06] Fedi is right there [20:06:17] people won't got there [20:06:18] Fedi? [20:06:22] Fediverse [20:06:26] usual and bellow average users [20:06:31] never heard of Fedi [20:06:38] [[Fediverse]] [20:06:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Fediverse [20:06:39]

[20:06:45] I don't like seeing a crappy social media platform when Fedi is right there [20:07:12] Bluesky is not crappy [20:07:16] It is [20:07:17] Bsky is eh fine. As a person who is only on fedi, I don’t care much tbf [20:07:28] I wish more people valued what fedi is [20:07:29] It's Ideal for a 50+ guy like me [20:07:45] But it’s better then Twitter Lmao [20:08:07] [1/2] Bsky falsely claims that it's federated, so it outright lies to its users, and it needs a scraper for viewing posts [20:08:07] [2/2] It's also just Twitter, literally, they even advertise themselves as Twitter without Elon [20:08:11] [1/2] again, always bear in mind non tech people [20:08:12] [2/2] also folks like artists need an audience [20:08:32] Viewing fedi posts has always been much easier than viewing bsky posts for us [20:08:37] pretty sure they don't claim that now, it was initial idea [20:08:41] fedi looks like discord but with websites instead of servers [20:08:42] No need to open a 3rd party scraper [20:08:53] Not really [20:08:59] i said looks [20:09:01] ? [20:09:08] I use the analogy of email providers [20:09:17] Fedi is just Twitter but actually good [20:09:26] No [20:09:30] federation will always be a minority of share, its strength is also its mass market weakness and the reason bluesky will grow beyond it despite being another centralized platform that will crappen with time [20:09:37] [1/2] maybe im looking at the wrong place [20:09:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334254142528684052/image.png?ex=679bdc80&is=679a8b00&hm=2814cefd3f42540565fe2a9beb40fb06e4d035716526404c991dbf33bb2b46b1& [20:09:39] For me it's usability. BlueSky is all I really need. I am leaving other platforms, like Facebook and X, and Telegram etc. [20:09:39] The Fediverse is more then mastodon and the other microblogs [20:09:49] It is more, it is different, it is not for everyone [20:09:55] How so ? [20:10:19] because federation is work and choice and effort that most people will not want to spend their time on, proven by the adoption of mass centralized platforms even when they work against your interests [20:10:32] discord vs irc/matrix/others, reddit vs classical forums, and so on, the pattern repeats [20:10:34] It's not if you do it properly [20:10:46] they're not [20:10:55] Unfortunately, yea. [20:10:55] want to do it properly, I will be happy to see it [20:11:15] until I see it, and I think that's wishful thinking, centralized platforms with a pretty sell will always win for atime [20:11:26] then they will crumble, something new becomes the oo shiny and the cycle will repeat [20:11:33] We had proposals for Matrix to do it properly but they forgot that Matrix is supposed to be federated so that isn't happening lol [20:11:38] as a noob, how the fuck do i use fedi [20:11:52] I wish there was just a few to choose from. Like ICQ - Good old times. [20:11:57] and matrix already effectively acts as a centralized platform with few meaningful federated alternatives to the central ecosystem [20:12:17] Pick an instance, sign up [20:12:24] ? [20:12:29] it is annoying to host alternatives and few clients meaningfully compete with element [20:12:34] how do i pick [20:12:51] what do i pick [20:13:38] if you do not have time/patience/interest to look at alternative servers there is always the main hosting instance, and the nice thing is that you can move it later when you know what you want [20:14:25] [1/2] at a quick search there's this, which doesn't help with choice paralysis but does give options what to pick [20:14:25] [2/2] [20:14:50] Aaand of course we can't answer what to pick [20:14:53] This is definitely one of fedis main barriers to entry [20:14:54] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334255475188961322/image.png?ex=679bddbe&is=679a8c3e&hm=ead5044dfab7553cdfd784f2df7aad2928b2ef789ef8cb15d58e55a88d19a884& [20:14:57] Have a screenshot instead [20:15:08] Sorry, can't send a link to click on [20:15:13] Wouldn’t recommend mastodon.social tbh [20:15:33] can u sign up to multiple instances? [20:15:35] Yea, it has issues, though we picked it when we started with fedi [20:15:36] Yes [20:15:40] It's like email [20:15:46] mastodon.social is gmail [20:15:52] fedi is email [20:15:53] at least if you do pick mastadon.social you can switch over to others [20:16:33] yeah [20:16:54] Although some don’t federate with mastodon.social for a variety of reasons [20:16:57] Yea [20:16:58] <3 wikis.world [20:17:02] We host our own [20:17:22] Switched from mastodon.social to selfhost [20:17:27] what's mastadon? i see it mentioned a lot [20:17:56] An implementation of activitypub, think of it like postfix ig ? [20:18:02] There's others [20:18:20] Though mastodon is both the backend and also a web API frontend to interact with it [20:18:43] So ig like postfix combined with a web app mail client [20:19:06] [[w:Mastodon]] [20:19:06] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon [20:19:07]

[20:19:25] x333 [20:19:26] > A mastodon (mastós 'breast' + odoús 'tooth') is a member of the genus Mammut (German for 'mammoth'), which was endemic to North America and lived from the late Miocene to the early Holocene. [20:19:32] Probably not the most friendly way to describe it to someone who doesn’t understand fedi [20:19:42] [[Mastodon_(social_network)]] [20:19:42] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Mastodon_(social_network) [20:19:42]

[20:19:54] How so [20:20:04] [[w:Mastodon_(social_network)]] [20:20:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(social_network) [20:20:05]

[20:20:07] There we go [20:20:59] Because im not super techy [20:21:44] the words ur spewing are a vague memory of A-Level Computer Science [20:22:22] Yeah.. [20:22:31] Ah [20:22:44] yeah [20:22:51] I’d say Mastodon is a microblogging platform [20:22:58] like twitter or bsky [20:23:18] but anyone can easily host it on their own servers and talk to people on other servers [20:23:34] Including those that run different apps yea [20:23:37] My account is on the instance at wikis.world [20:23:39] Than just mastodon [20:23:42] getting to that [20:23:48] O oki [20:24:00] i can chat with claire on catgirl.center, or Hannah on mastodon.social [20:24:22] There’s also entire other softwares that implement the same language to talk to each other [20:25:04] Like miss/sharkey [20:25:16] Let me just WhatsApp and post on BlueSky and images on Instagram. It's more than enough for me [20:25:30] [1/2] catgirl.center also runs different software (Sharkey) [20:25:30] [2/2] Also apparently if you google catgirl.center, Claire's acc is the first to pop up lol [20:25:49] it sounds interesting [20:26:18] [1/2] It's where all the cool folks are [20:26:18] [2/2] I met Claire on fedi >w< [20:26:35] Then we chatted on IRC and after that Matrix lol [20:27:11] https://catgirl.center/notes/a3bge3hlovtj0p6t [20:27:20] And lots of gays [20:27:57] so the instance you're account is made on is seemingly also part of ur handle? [20:28:03] Yep [20:28:14] alrighty [20:28:19] Yep [20:29:01] [1/2] Like me and my luv Claire >w< [20:29:01] [2/2] She's gonna keysmash so much when she reads this [20:29:10] @User@domain.tld [20:29:13] Fedi best dating app frfr [20:29:19] Mmmmmmmmmm [20:29:33] It appeals to a specific audience [20:29:52] https://catgirl.center/@PixDeVl@wikis.world ie [20:30:05] Should I follow u :g_think: [20:31:23] If you want sure lmao. I boost a variety of random wiki tech activist and cat photos [20:31:32] Oki :3 Followed u, u can follow us back [20:32:09] Tho don't mention our handle on Discord ig, we keep it semi-private, aka info is public if you know where to look but we try to not publicize it all over [20:32:54] [1/2] Reminds us we have a Cisco Academy thing to do for school, the course banner image is obvious txt2img generated [20:32:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1334260001266466989/image.png?ex=679be1f5&is=679a9075&hm=59cf4aad754922c3454209be0f1845ee613b2ab7ed61fc10619898ad8fd4bcc7& [20:33:09] We are like wayy past our deadline [20:33:12] It's homework [20:33:55] Speaks to the quality of Cisco [20:33:57] Oh well [20:34:03] Homework is Homework [20:34:19] [1/3] Alright, I'm starting to understand it a lil [20:34:20] [2/3] It definitely feels very niche [20:34:20] [3/3] Would I use it? Depends if doing marketing for a smol business is effective over at some instance [20:36:01] Well, quite a lot of companies use it, but it's a community thing, so like, if you don't do FOSS stuff folks won't care probably [20:37:04] yea nah, I'm doing merch products of my ocs [20:37:11] Ah [20:37:34] What kinda ocs ? [20:37:46] gay long distance otters [20:38:37] Can you show a pic [20:38:50]