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[12/12] \:\{\{\@\}\}minor anno… [10:48:03] Really dumb question, asking this out of genuine curiosity [10:48:24] In general I see (creative) communities really hate AI, besides possible plagiarism, why is this? [10:53:29] plug thing into prompt and get something back is always going to raise a level of laziness detector [10:54:05] and what comes out is miles of slop until the one thing that works out pretty well is selected, perhaps modified to fit; even then, it tends to be recognizable, and often the term for that recognition used is 'soulless' [10:54:22] Let [10:54:34] mainline ai being trained on people's work far more than not, so straight up plagiarism, is also fairly large a [10:55:29] So laziness and insincerity, like the people who put in effort are invalidated basically [10:55:35] On top of plagiarism [10:56:14] I don't think the act of prompting and getting a vision out is bad, it avails creativity to people who do not have means patience or frankly talent to come up with certain things themselves. So I don't really buy the 'laziness' angle any more than I think it's lazy to use a printing press instead of delegate writing to monks or something. But the other two hold fairly strongly [10:56:46] [1/2] The same goes for writers, who create a great book, 500 pages of text. And the AI reads it in seconds and can create a similar story. [10:56:46] [2/2] That writer could have taken years in research. It is mildly stated a let down [10:57:49] [1/2] I mostly asked because I thought of a moral dilemma: [10:57:49] [2/2] To what extent is it ethical to use AI to imagine/finish up creative works that are abandoned/on hiatus indefinitely? As in works that you are following but have no hand in creating, such as modpacks for a video game or fanfics, etc? [10:58:08] the real issue with ai books at the moment in my mind is the fact that it's all regurgitation of shit people made, not transformative in ways humans have managed with incredible curveballs over time. That argument can be applied to ai art too, and much else, made worse because hallucinations and the like are very common [10:58:45] I think generated assets for modding are a very useful milestone and I've considered it a few times in cases where teams don't have the means to put together more by themselves as modders often don't [10:59:38] there was a case some studio fired artists and hired prompters - the art director couldn't get them make anything proper because they lacked understanding of art + ai not being able to understand needed changes [11:00:29] needless to say artists got their job back [11:00:29] That's also why the Actors and creators in Holywood went on a year strike for. [11:00:35] being shoehorned where it doesn't belong/isn't ready has burned a lot of ai goodwill [11:00:52] That's a fair concern [11:01:09] big biz sees dollar signs and beelines to throw human workers in the trash for the fancy new thing that specializes in confident gibberish [11:01:25] which is becoming a substantial problem with programming I hear [11:01:36] Though in general how ethically okay would this be? As in to have AI take over the finishing touches or take over the creation of something that was clearly abandoned [11:01:42] we already have a social issue with frameworks layered on frameworks and gross absolute inefficiency [11:02:34] I have no problem in a case of someone using ai to complete a work if tuned enough that it is convincing and doesn't degrade the quality of the content being finished, and it is not reasonable for that followup creator to make such things themselves (lacking art skills, means to produce audio etc) [11:04:48] [1/5] It's the same with having to deal with images created by AI. [11:04:48] [2/5] I review the copyright licenses on Commons. [11:04:48] [3/5] But for AI there isn't a clear law yet. [11:04:49] [4/5] So it is a moral judgement to accept that. But we have no way of knowing what the AI has learned on. [11:04:49] [5/5] Some paintings of Vermeer were used, due to the style the AI created the colour placements, and use of jewelry. It was so recognisable, that there was raised a copyright violation claim against the firm behind that AI. [11:05:18] These laws are in the works, so It could be that we have to remove AI images after all, or not [11:05:26] the plagiarism problem is serious because I saw some people selling prompts to imitate certain artists, not even dead ones [11:05:41] also fake antique illustrations, references [11:05:50] it's not good [11:06:33] I see I see [11:08:00] the hypocrisy of going "haha fuck your rights authors" to "reee i did this nobody copy/train on my shit" [11:14:33] peak irony on that second half absolutely [11:28:59] <_arawynn> Using AI to finish fanfics on hiatus is considered as deeply unrespectful and rude, at least in the spaces I frequent. [11:32:10] Using AI to generate Harry Potter Fan Fiction. [11:32:15] :smirkthink: [11:32:31] 😏 [11:33:35] [1/2] I find it disgusting personally. [11:33:35] [2/2] People trying to ride the hype train to promote themselves, but all they deliver is done by an AI. [11:34:16] They don't have any creativity themselves, so they let the AI do it for them [11:34:19] [1/2] jkr was never fond of fanfiction in the best of times too lmao [11:34:19] [2/2] she tried to sue russian parody books from 2000s [11:34:47] Corpos moment. [11:34:58] "Why does nobody use our fancy AI program." [11:35:28] Because most people who actually create art. Usually respect themselves enough not to use AI. [11:35:44] Best you get for AI trainers are casual people who are too broke to afford artists. [11:35:47] Or just arseholes. [11:35:51] But usually arseholes. [11:36:20] I already see a lot of ai shit used here irl, in russia [11:36:22] Or untalented individuals working in the field and think they can skip years of experience using AI. [11:36:42] Same here. School has been using AI instead of hiring professional course planners cause it's cheaper. [11:37:00] "Oh we need an animation short. Instead of paying. We'll just use ChatGPT." [11:37:35] And then my primary job, which is journalism. Some of my less talented colleagues have been edging on the AI line. Some even used it (And got fired for it). [11:37:46] I personally know when a journalist used AI in their article. [11:37:53] Might be a better idea to just write the thing instead of AI generating the last two chapters in that case [11:38:01] So seeing my colleague using them is how they're gonna lose their job. [11:38:21] I'll value genuine amateur 3d animation over ai vid [11:38:34] They don't even need 3D animation. It's 2D. [11:38:46] Even I can make one. It's not even that expensive for one. [11:39:31] I just saw some in an airport recently, like safety stuff, it's wonky and hilarious [11:39:37] Lmao. [11:39:54] it's clearly very old, no mocap [11:39:57] Corpos saving money and then noticed all their new shit is inferior to made by professionals. [11:40:02] but yeah, someone done it [11:40:10] Some even have god damn audacity to tell us to train AI. [11:40:29] One of my colleagues (She got fired) used AI on confidential government documents. [11:40:44] It was a hilarious 4 hour meeting. [11:41:05] man [11:42:31] [1/2] Some guy once told me "One day I'm gonna lose my job to AI and that AI is better than years of experience." [11:42:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1346085325755387984/IMG20241214165811.jpg?ex=67c6e726&is=67c595a6&hm=bed06ac8177c04bbaa8a892eaab5a6d64035a90112b6ea2ac530b0005a038edf& [11:42:34] This is my job. Ain't no AI is taking my job. [11:42:49] Aure. It will HELP professionals and amateurs. [11:42:55] Reason is also, Why do all the heavy stuff for a lousy pay, when the AI can do it for me, and I can relax a little-mentality [11:42:59] But AI can't replace us. Sorry. It's a pipe dream. [11:43:15] I agree [11:43:30] The humen mind functions on so many more levels [11:43:36] "Instead of reading 200 pages of confidential government documents when I can just upload it to AI and have to explain to me like I'm twelve." [11:44:00] It doesn't help that AI can't process some information that we can. Sure. They can change the settings of your equipment. [11:44:13] Nuances. [11:44:16] Irony [11:44:19] Sarcasm [11:44:30] A friend of mine is a factory engineer and he told me the AI they had installed for machinery control usually mistune the machineries they have installed. [11:44:35] it will have a place as a tool to supplement and there are grounds for it to evolve in a way we do not expect which may change the playing field completely, but that does not at all justify how it's being pushed into production today [11:44:40] Fun fact: Machines, while the same model. Have different tuning. [11:44:49] I worked on too many cars of the same model to know this. [11:44:52] It's stupid. [11:45:14] I worked on so many Ural trucks. While all the same model and manufacturer. Have different nuances and quirks. [11:45:57] It's like using a Drill in stead of a screwdriver. You're still the one holding the tools. That's how it should stay [11:46:41] That's how AI should be. Unless we have balls to plug the AI into the greater internet and let it be sentient. [11:46:51] But if you don't have the balls to do it. Don't bother with AI. [11:47:07] AI is there to make it easier for humans [11:47:08] I just want my skynet personal assistant tbh [11:47:18] To do the monotomous things [11:47:24] That are boring and repetitive [11:47:29] So you can focus on the fun [11:47:31] I want a AI that can calculate windspeed, trajectory and bullet velocity while I hunt. [11:47:33] a personal t800 would be dope [11:47:41] So I don't have to calculate for 50 seconds. [11:47:45] Ask autists. we love monotone work [11:47:46] Before I pop a shot. [11:48:03] ai is there to enhance the efficiency of milking human workers to ensure just a bit more gdp is in fewer hands [11:48:04] Literally why most Snipers are on the spectrum. [11:48:11] AI can be given a 500 page document and tell you who ch paragraph to read first [11:48:15] Hollywood makes Snipers look cool but in reality they're huge nerds. [11:48:23] Or it can put that screw in 500 times [11:48:47] Being a sniper requires skill and precision [11:48:56] No... It require math. [11:49:01] Yes [11:49:05] Snipers weaponised math. [11:49:15] It's not monotomous [11:49:16] Here in Denmark we have focus on that type of people, who can look on budgets and calculations. They never get bored, and love that job. [11:49:20] That's boring and repetitive [11:49:28] Math is boring. [11:49:34] No it's not [11:49:35] >It's too dumb for math. [11:49:41] Yuh uh. [11:49:54] Not if you understand it, [11:49:56] Maths is not boring and repetitive [11:50:17] that sounds like an extraordinarily personal thing, most people probably will get bored by it but some won't [11:50:20] Factory work where you are putting the same screw in the same item on a conveyor belt is boring and repetitive [11:50:29] Yknow I always wondered about this, would someone with ADHD make for a bad sniper because they would struggle with focusing [11:50:32] It's the same process repeated time after time for the same result [11:50:37] Learning Italian can be hard and boring too, with grammar etc. But if you love the language, and the culture. It can never be boring [11:50:54] Maths to calculate the trajectory of a sniper bullet is not the same result every time [11:50:59] Different environments and targets [11:51:06] Probably. I'm not a sniper. I was a combat medical specialist. [11:51:13] Understandable [11:51:23] NO. Most have a single focus they can lose themselves in, but can't keep focus on others [11:51:27] It's a very different type of repetitiveness to what would be defined at monotomous [11:51:29] But our platoon marksman have to calculate windage, range, trajectory and curvature of the Earth. [11:51:36] Just to dome the poor sod. [11:51:40] So... Probably? [11:52:20] It doesn't help that their training course teach them that they have to focus on multiple things at once. [11:52:28] And not just the target. [11:52:47] Well you do [11:52:59] Real world evironments aren't predictable [11:53:05] You can't control every variable [11:53:06] A lot of the misconsception is that ADHD is only short time span focus. It mostly isn't. As I said. They can focus for hours on a task. [11:53:10] Mhm. [11:53:23] Combat is very much a real experience of variables. [11:53:36] In a civilised world, things tend to be more predictable and controlles. [11:53:46] But combat? You throw everything out of the windows. [11:53:53] It's as real as it's get. [11:54:00] They are more predictable [11:54:04] Not predictable [11:54:07] It depends a lot [11:54:32] Or sometimes predictably unpredictable [11:54:47] Try yelling fire in a crowded theatre [11:54:51] And see how humans react [11:55:07] (* please don't actually do that unless it's an exercise agreed with the theatre ) [11:55:12] That is the definition of insanity [11:55:19] even monotonous type of work, as Rhinos defines it, might feel pretty alright to someone [11:55:21] I think also the definition of developing for mediawiki? [11:55:25] Yeah sounds right [11:55:29] No that's the same process expecting a different result [11:55:39] And that is a mediawiki dev [11:55:42] it's only insanity if the result is hoping for something that you're not gonna get [11:55:42]