[00:27:09] ah [00:27:15] was that why I got that ping [00:27:31] no wait hold on :P [00:27:40] yeah using it for stuff or learning from it [00:29:12] I mean I use it sometimes [00:29:16] Mostly when Google is being stupid [00:29:23] And can't find basic stuf [00:29:25] Such as uhh [00:29:28] The [00:29:32] When I forget a word [00:29:35] The. [00:54:28] well that’s the issue with relying on it for info [00:54:57] an astonishing amount of the time, that stuff is just made up by the model [00:55:13] also google just kinda gives bad results nowadays [00:55:18] or like. it pulls from shitposts [00:55:25] I’d try some other search engines like DDG [00:55:39] see: John Backflip [00:56:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1360418155637248060/IMG_0771.webp?ex=67fb0ba3&is=67f9ba23&hm=690b28658de62edc41b34f4800a4e6938a310bf368cf280098e417e6a239be8c& [01:03:13] Simple to confirm [01:03:18] Cuz if I forgot a word [01:03:20] And it says the word [01:03:24] Trivial to verify x3 [01:03:36] It's the kinda info that's hard to figure out but trivial to verify [01:03:49] AHAHAH [01:06:29] fair [01:06:56] though make sure you’re using models running off of sustainable energy and not trained by decimating hundreds of thousands of websites [01:40:09] Why [01:40:17] Idrc x3 [01:40:33] And no way to verify either [01:48:17] well [01:48:26] 1: you don’t wanna cook the environment alive [01:48:32] and 2: you don’t want [01:48:52] this https://drewdevault.com/2025/03/17/2025-03-17-Stop-externalizing-your-costs-on-me.html [01:51:04] Me using the model will not influence that at all [01:51:36] [1/2] It is funny to see Drew writhe in the DDoS attacks [01:51:37] [2/2] And again, a model runner is not a scraper [01:51:41] yes, but you are giving the company profits to build new ones [01:51:48] Not really [01:51:50] It's free [01:51:58] motivation perhaps? [01:51:59] I don't give them a cent [01:52:15] that, and/or ad revenue [01:52:21] Idrc [01:52:23] UwUblock origin [01:52:32] What I do doesn't really have an effect on what they do [01:52:38] There is one of me [01:52:41] Yeo [01:52:43] Yep [01:52:44] :3 [01:52:46] there might also be something kinda like a network effect? [01:53:01] Yea, but not really strong [01:53:08] I mostly make fun of this stuff [01:53:19] I also stopped using Copylot [01:53:34] that is true, but model stuff doesn’t do this. a model will not make thousands of bajillions of requests to a web server each day with impossible to identify UAs (or at least it shouldn’t) [01:53:46] ? [01:53:54] these are large scale scrapers harvesting training data for the models [01:53:55] Wdym model stuff doesn't do this [01:54:02] Yea, and ? [01:54:07] What do they have to do with me [01:54:11] and they don’t respect robots.txt [01:54:11] I don't run one [01:54:56] just because you aren’t directly running one doesn’t mean you’re not contributing to the issue [01:55:32] How am I contributing to the issue? x3 [01:55:33] as someone who has been directly affected by this in many ways I LOATHE AI [01:55:44] I got hit by one of their DDoS attacks [01:55:49] I dealt with it in 5 min [01:55:51] Was done [01:56:07] I will not take my anger out on others [01:56:09] you are using the program, which boosts its popularity, which incentivizes the company to make more [01:56:16] Not really how this works [01:56:19] There is one of me [01:56:32] Whether I use it or not doesn't make a single difference [01:56:32] this is exactly the sort of thinking that fucked up the US government [01:56:40] Okay [01:56:40] [1/2] i wonder if they'd stop requesting by now lol [01:56:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1360433408764936264/Screenshot_2025-04-12_at_11-56-22_Security_WAF_Custom_rules_miraheze.org_WikiTide_Foundation_Cloudflare.png?ex=67fb19d8&is=67f9c858&hm=e5e6c7842df0f11a2fec8ac3c7bd436ea1d73fd66f5db67befba61db4a93c718& [01:56:47] HAHA [01:56:58] They have bandwidth to spare ig [01:57:04] “oh if I don’t vote it’s fine everyone else will there’s just one of me” [01:57:23] I don't vote either and till I have a following it doesn't make sense to either [01:57:41] Democracy is a fucked up system [01:57:45] I want no part in it [01:58:09] And the spreading of the idea that voting does anything is harmful to society [01:58:23] my point is [01:58:31] AI does more harm than good [01:58:42] Do you want to be burned alive in oil or skinned alive and left to bleed out? Let the majority chose for you, in either way you are dying [01:58:54] Fuck democracy and fuck voting. [01:59:10] AI? I disagree [01:59:22] generative AI [01:59:44] Right [01:59:53] What do you classify under that [02:00:48] ai that generates things [02:00:59] fuckin you know what I’m done with this shit [02:01:02] So all of AI ? x3 [02:01:11] I don’t [02:01:24] you’ve successfully made me unfollow you on fedi, congrats [02:01:45] Okay (?) [02:02:03] I literally got hit by organized targeted attacks [02:02:06] Idrc [02:03:00] I am tired of this AI hate boner stuff [02:03:18] Same for the hate towards cryptocurrencies and other stuff [02:03:48] People will attack literally everything but the cause of things [02:04:10] no no I agree big companies suck [02:04:18] If you want cleaner environment, go after those that fuck it up [02:04:21] but by using their things you are supporting them [02:04:25] So power plants [02:04:32] not supporting them is one way to fuck it up [02:04:48] They have millions of users, they don't really care [02:05:00] start small, go big, you have to just gradually break these things down [02:05:23] Break the thing that actually causes harm. Attack the cause, not the easy pickings. [02:05:25] yea it’s the exact same mistake that the “just pirate adobe” crowd makes. using their products contributes 2 it being the industry standard [02:05:40] Adobe sucks [02:05:42] if the thousands of people that thought that exact same thing all stopped, that would be a significant portion of their user base [02:05:44] Their product is ass [02:05:54] exactly [02:05:57] someone who gets it [02:06:02] The only good thing they made is the PDF file format and that's a goddamn low bar [02:06:16] Okay, but I don't have a following of a thousand peoole [02:06:28] So [02:06:43] no you don’t but you can tell the people you know and then those people will tell those people and so on and so forth [02:06:44] I don't even post about AI stuff [02:07:08] Yes. I already scream at anyone using ChatGPT often [02:07:13] if you own a chair and it’s not comfy right now but was previously, you’re not going to throw it out and try a standing desk [02:07:17] Moreso cuz it's detrimental to the [02:07:25] ? I don't get how that relates [02:07:30] analogy [02:07:38] Wish that we had any actually good compute for Intel [02:07:43] So I could run models locally [02:07:50] they made other things? [02:07:57] Yea [02:07:57] unfortunately [02:08:00] I mean [02:08:06] They made things I don't really interact with [02:08:11] oh do you have fedi [02:08:14] And I refuse to interact with [02:08:20] I think they’d like your art [02:08:20] no, not yet at least [02:08:36] I also refuse to engage with Microsoft Word [02:08:40] Unless they pay me [02:09:00] I charge 20 USD an hour and up if they want me to even go near Microsoft Word [02:09:05] if you sign up I’ll give you a follow, check out this little thing I wrote about it http://bluepixelcomputing.com:8141/fedi_info.htm and http://fedi.tips [02:09:07] i treat modern windows like borderline malware [02:09:12] Wdym borderline [02:09:15] It's literally malware [02:09:26] my windows VMs have file syncing with select directories [02:09:27] yes the file has a .HTM extension, sue me [02:09:30] so it's not full-on malware [02:09:33] HAHA [02:09:35] but i nearly treat it like one [02:09:40] I just treat it like malware [02:09:45] Windows computers are not allowed in my LAN [02:09:57] https://vgperson.com/games/witchheart.htm x3 [02:10:01] wrong reply [02:10:08] https://vgperson.com/games/witchheart.htm x3 [02:10:10] In any case [02:10:17] I do despise this just, crusade [02:10:34] Useful tech is useful tech, some of the tech is necessary [02:10:38] Stuff like altbot [02:11:25] It's the stupid anti-AI crusaders that DDoS'd altbot cuz REEE IT'S AI I KNOW MY DDoS ATTACK CONSUMES LITERALLY 100 TIMES MORE ELECTRICITY THAN ALTBOT BUT REEEE AI [02:11:38] ddos altbot? [02:11:42] Yea [02:11:48] It got hit by a DDoS attack a few months back [02:11:56] lmfao [02:12:11] Altbot runs on a very low power RPi iirc [02:12:38] It was the same stuff with cryptocurrencies before too [02:12:51] The hate boner is real [02:13:15] I will support technology I need and fight against abusive systems no matter how much you dislike me for it [02:13:41] i will admit i am fairly anti-ai in creative work (visual art, music, etc.; there are rare exceptions where it’s executed well but most of the time it is used 2 completely replace human effort) [02:13:55] I literally don't care about the environment because I would first like to live a life not fearing whether I will wake up tomorrow [02:14:15] Tbh for me it's like [02:14:16] It looks shit [02:14:19] So like [02:14:20] I don't like it x3 [02:14:34] But tbh [02:14:40] AI is used in a lot of digital art [02:14:45] Eg. Blender has a denoiser [02:15:05] There's also nice upscalers [02:15:06] Etc [02:15:10] yea i am mostly talking about specifically generative ai, should have specified [02:15:12] For restorative work [02:15:14] I mean [02:15:19] You gotta define generative AI [02:15:26] Since stable diffusion is a denoiser [02:15:44] You just feed it noise [02:15:52] So it makes an image out of the noise [02:15:54] As it's a denoiser [02:15:59] Even if there was no image in the first place [02:16:00] yeah altbot is useful [02:16:16] (me trying to figure out whether to read this convo, eat, finish detailing lavender, or read more of lynn's old DA posts) [02:16:20] like. creates something “new” from a prompt. usually a text prompt, but occasionally an image as well [02:16:39] but it runs on low energy stuff and is trained sustainably, google’s tomfuckery for instance isn’t [02:17:24] [1/2] One of my friends is blind [02:17:24] [2/2] I don't really know what all that entails, but the least I can do is try to do the little things technology side. Write very detailed alt text. Try to see if I can write accessibility tech. And of course, img2txt stuff. [02:17:34] I mean [02:17:54] txt2img takes a text prompt and doesn't really make anything new so much as hallucinates an image in noise [02:18:09] And transformers (txt2txt) is just a token prediction engine [02:18:28] yea just looked it up - that’s not what i would define as “generative” ai [02:18:38] so like i’m chill with that [02:18:40] i do wonder how much overhead our wiki reviewer + openai integration has lol [02:18:43] I used to use like [02:18:46]