[00:39:32] i found my new favourite vscode theme aghhh [01:26:33] [1/2] > It is indeed true that we don't ban for external behavior as it's not possible to prove that they're true. [01:26:33] [2/2] Frankly this is a shit take. I do not know anything about this particular incident but what the fuck in general. [01:29:19] agreed, i'm happy with even the decision to ban in the first place [01:29:35] i'm unhappy* [01:29:39] omg that correction T_T [01:29:51] Yea, with just the context that's here, this is just [01:30:12] I do not think that I could feel safe in a place that moderates in this manner [01:30:23] I'm sure that goes for most queer folks [01:31:08] This whole "oh but they are respectful when they are here so it doesn't concern us" is fucking cishet queerphobia and I am tired of it [02:05:43] [1/3] There was additional mitigating circumstances on why we came to the conclusion of that in this situation. I do believe there can be cases where external behaviors could be brought to consideration, but the main issue is we have no way of attributing an action on an external platform to a user, it could be a case of impersonation or otherwise. When reports are looked [02:05:43] [2/3] into we have a duty to ensure both sides are fairly “represented” meaning being able to corroborate that wrongdoing took place, and that the source is in fact the person being reported. If we can’t verify one or the other, I don’t think it would be proper to go around issuing punishment just because person A said it was them. [02:05:43] [3/3] I’m queer myself, so I would be the first person to tell someone off for not looking out for everyone equally. [02:22:22] [1/2] > If we can’t verify one or the other, I don’t think it would be proper to go around issuing punishment just because person A said it was them. [02:22:23] [2/2] Yea, I agree, but if reasonable proof is provided, the response not should be "categorically behavior outside of Miraheze spaces will be ignored" [02:29:03] [1/2] It doesn't have anything to do with "cishet queerphobia", which is weird to point out since either weren't mentioned once, yes if reasonable proof is shown of the person doing the things they are accused of, but the only thing shown was a YouTube channel where the person used the derogatory word for people with mental conditions and ailments. Which again falls unde [02:29:04] [2/2] r the purview of YouTube moderation. Which is also why again they suggested for them to handle the matter privately with moderators and Discord Staff. If no moderators responded before then they probably will now. [03:16:34] Again, idc about the specific incident at hand. I am talking about the response. [03:36:45] frankly not bringing outside issues into this is actually fairly productive to the professional enviroment this place is about [03:39:40] This is such a priviledged statement [03:40:45] There was a nice forum post about exactly this from a VPS company [03:40:46] in what way? honestly you know absolutely nothing about me so please kindly refrain from assuming anything about me. [03:40:49] Alu, we do take these reports seriously, and due review happened. What was provided was insufficient to take action, either because it was deeply below the threshold of transphobic speech or utterly unverifiable. I would appreciate you not putting words in our mouths. [03:41:15] That is okay, if that was said I would not have any problems with it [03:41:40] What was said was that external behavior is never taken into consideration [03:41:49] That is not what was said. [03:41:52] So right now I have two conflicting pieces of information [03:41:59] ` don't consider the behavior outside of miraheze spaces actionable.` was referencing the specific situation provided. [03:42:18] > It is indeed true that we don't ban for external behavior as it's not possible to prove that they're true. [03:42:23] Is what I am referring to [03:42:31] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1362126399594430566 [03:42:31] We will consider verifiable outside information, but the bar is high for action here. [03:42:35] Yea that post is fine [03:43:17] Confusingly worded, but what was meant by that was that the screenshots provided of a private chat were not adequately verifiable to be considered. [03:44:54] [1/7] So [03:44:54] [2/7] > It is indeed true that we don't ban for external behavior as it's not possible to prove that they're true. [03:44:55] [3/7] Did not mean to say [03:44:55] [4/7] > It is indeed true that we don't ever ban for external behavior as it's not possible to prove that they're true. [03:44:55] [5/7] But rather meant to say [03:44:56] [6/7] > It is indeed true that we decided to not ban for external behavior in this case as insufficient proof was provided [03:44:56] [7/7] ? [03:45:29] I suppose I can see how someone could word things badly that way [03:45:44] (i have expertise in this area) [03:45:45] But if that's what's mean then okay, my apologies [03:45:52] You are nowhere near this bad, Claire [03:45:53] :3 [03:49:15] [1/4] In the future, let’s keep things cool and respectful. I have no issue with open conversations taking place here, but let’s aim to keep them calm and constructive. [03:49:16] [2/4] We sincerely apologize if it felt like things weren’t handled appropriately. We’re always open to feedback. That said, please avoid spreading speculation or taking things out of context beyond what has been directly communicated by us—this can easily lead to unnecessary misunderstandings. [03:49:16] [3/4] The messages mentioned above were admittedly worded in a confusing way, and we recognize that. However, it would’ve been more helpful to discuss them thoroughly rather than letting the conversation escalate as I started to witness it heading in that direction. [03:49:16] [4/4] It’s never our intention to ignore anyone or any reports, and if something contradicts what we've explicitly said, it shouldn't be treated as accurate. We're here to clear up any confusion and are more than happy to clarify things. Just please don’t assume bad faith—that’s never our intention. [03:50:52] so: why were they banned for bringing it up in here? [03:52:27] Context is key and it lacked here until explained [03:54:26] To avoid further confusion I will continue to discuss this with other moderators and admins before making a public statement on that matter in particular. In my personal opinion [03:55:16] (what does the "In my personal opinion" mean here? ^^;) [03:56:09] Forgot to finish my message sorry. [03:56:24] oki, understandable [04:01:46] FYI, if you live in the European Union use this report page for better results than Discord's built in feature. https://discord.com/report [04:02:07] If you're not in the European Union, then you can't use it as you need to provide your identity to use it. [04:06:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1362277908307247235/Screenshot_20250417-133548.png?ex=6801cfab&is=68007e2b&hm=c90c8b936dd3325daafd681fbca8590c4bb9942c811d0eeaa4bc208adc48cdbc& [04:07:26] The issue is discord is likely to ignore this they have always been quiet unless something is mass reported [04:07:53] [1/4] > In the future, let’s keep things cool and respectful. I have no issue with open conversations taking place here, but let’s aim to keep them calm and constructive. [04:07:54] [2/4] Apologies, I had a really bad day, it's my fault [04:07:54] [3/4] > The messages mentioned above were admittedly worded in a confusing way, and we recognize that. However, it would’ve been more helpful to discuss them thoroughly rather than letting the conversation escalate as I started to witness it heading in that direction. [04:07:54] [4/4] Yea, you're right. I've been seeing bad things in stuff a lot recently (o' being in the middle of fedi drama every week .-.), I'll try to assume good faith better in the future. [04:09:13] [1/2] I totally understand, we all have bad days. [04:09:14] [2/2] Much appreciated and thanks a lot for your understanding as well. [04:13:14] The European form has a high rate of success, cause they're legally obligated to investigate each report. [04:18:39] i mean eventually they could get tired of having to deal with such reports and just shut out the eu like some other american companies have done in the past. [04:19:15] They can't, the European Union has very strict laws about data security and reports. [04:19:27] Unlike the US, The EU ensures compliance. [04:19:50] when i mean shut out the eu i mean geoblock all of europe [04:20:00] and discard them as customers [04:20:02] Unlikely to happen. [04:20:22] They have EU investors. [04:20:27] The EU is massive I doubt discord would do that [04:21:23] Honestly, it would make their financial situation even worse than it is now if they did that. [04:22:15] they could easily fix their financial situation if they were smarter like removing the huge data limit for nitro and giving everyone a modest 35mb instead [04:22:48] among many other things i suppose [04:23:24] They provide a high upload size as an incentive to buy Nitro. [04:23:32] They're offering space in servers they already paid for. [04:23:55] Also if they did that, it would also kill Discord. [04:25:28] i mean other applications like this don't offer even over 55mb for even the most generous one i am pretty sure locking customization behind nitro would be a start and maybe lock talking in verified communities or whatever they are called behind nitro [04:27:04] Customisation is already pretty much nitro only. And do you mean only allowing non nitro people to speak in "Verified" communities, or not being allowed to speak in them, cause either way you're just making a pay to talk environment. [04:27:10] plus such generious storage limits open discord up to being sued by the mpaa [04:27:33] They can only sue if Discord doesn't take action, which they do. [04:28:31] anyways i am going to head to bed since i am resisting the urge to funpost due to fatigue so goodnight i guess. [04:28:48] Mmk. [04:36:22] Like, block Discord in the EU? [04:36:24] That's be amazing [04:37:42] I don't think it would be. [04:42:11] you'd have to use vpn because discord itself blocking, not like kremlin blocka discord where i can use anti dpi [05:24:44] I win [05:33:58] Not really, nobody comes out of this looking good. [05:36:47] sounds like an admission [05:37:23] literally nobody likes petty kids drama [05:39:05] Timed out for 1 day, this is a topic you were already told to leave alone earlier. Going forward we're going to ask that you and the other individuals with whom you have mutual issue avoid any further interactions on this server, or that will be the end of your stay here. [06:11:32] okay NO. [06:12:02] as someone who hosts a wiki with Miraheze, I am disappointed in this behavior. [06:12:42] the offending user CLEARLY has the offending profile linked to their discord account, which is only possible via verifying one account with the other [06:13:11] and if you click the link in their profile (which again is verified to be theirs) sure enough it’s full of objectionable content [06:14:20] this person was making a report because they felt legitimately threatened and you dismissed that, banning them and giving no punishment to the offending user (who was CLEARLY at fault) [06:15:01] I don’t care if I get moderation action for this, I have to speak out about it. this is NOT FAIR and I am disappointed in the moderation team for handling this as poorly as they did. [06:15:34] Going to need to ask for a reduction in temperature here. You're firing off with less than half the picture. [06:16:40] okay hold on [06:17:07] I read through all the posts and checked out the offending profile, what am I missing here? [06:19:00] as a server moderator myself, I feel it is the duty of any moderator to foster an open discussion about these things, and I feel like that was not done here [06:19:36] if you want, I can record a video of navigating to the profile and seeing problematic content (it only takes ~3 seconds) [06:20:38] Let's chat over DM [06:20:58] ok [06:25:10] all righty, after a little chat with @notaracham I have realized that I thought I had the full story but didn’t [06:25:53] both parties are at fault and should probably have equal punishment, and this apparently wasn’t the first offense either. they’re just little kids basically [06:26:07] and little kids do not very smart stuff sometimes (I would know :P) [06:28:34] I also agree that that ban was a bit out of pocket though [06:28:40] unprecedented, if you will [06:29:25] anyways, to cheer everyone up [06:29:32] [1/2] crawl spiders [06:29:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1362314015703040010/IMG_7441.png?ex=6801f14b&is=68009fcb&hm=f4f5c4c0ea8fc0b806c2487a8ea7d21cce1e48db1feda5ef0c00d400ca9a8ea4& [06:44:52] @blankeclair https://www.theregister.com/2025/04/16/homeland_security_funding_for_cve [06:49:20] It's going to take so long and so many people to un-mess this mess. 😞 [06:51:37] Yeah... [06:52:12] i'm inquiring someone on the process of getting drugs [06:52:38] Ritalin? [06:52:48] that'd be nice too actually [06:52:53] but no, i'm asking someone about E ^^; [06:53:00] What's E. [06:53:28] https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-e-meme-lord-farquaad-gif-22506386 [06:53:53] Oh, Estrogen? [06:54:03] yeah [06:54:36] Is that a drug? [06:55:12] it's technically a hormone [06:55:13] but shhhh [06:56:54] Oh, that's a different E than I thought. I'm old. 😅 Wishing you a successful inquiry. [06:57:32] Euthanasia..... [06:58:30] Fun fact, assisted dying (euthanasia) is legal in all states and territories in Australia. [06:58:41] Mmmm, nah, I'm not quite that old or medically unsound. But I do need to get rest, good night folks. [06:58:59] Except the Northern Territory. [06:59:08] Goodnight! [06:59:11] Flee the country :steamhappy: [06:59:36] Berlin is looking like a nicer place everyday I’m telling ya. [07:00:16] Deutschland Deutschland über alles. [07:00:49] Just not in a dictatorial sense... [07:03:00] :NepStare: [07:03:18] Back to my German Duolingo [07:03:38] It means "Germany above everything." [07:04:00] Yeah I got that from translate. Not sure why you said German twice, that I did understand [07:04:10] Or "Germany above all else.", depending on how you word it I guess. [07:04:22] Because that's how you say it. [07:04:37] Huh [07:04:43] You can omit the second Deutschland, but it's commonly said with two. [07:04:58] The semantic structure of German is something I haven’t looked into yeah [07:05:01] Or [07:05:12] Compound nouns :horror: [07:05:23] There's a lot of instances where a word like Cook (koche) comes after never (nie). [07:06:15] So, a sentence for example: "Ich koche nie.": I never cook. [07:07:18] The gendered words can be a nightmare. [07:07:23] Until you learn them. [07:07:52] Oh god [07:08:03] And I thought they weren’t fun in Portuguese [07:08:32] I have heard that English has “the” French has like two varieties, and German has like 5 different variations of the arrive [07:10:24] French also has gendered words which are hard to learn, which is why a lot of people who learn French and can speak it sort of decently still make mistakes with those [07:10:58] but in German it's worse since there's three types [07:11:00] Yes. [07:11:21] and the opposite can be a bit funny sometimes as some Germans and French sometimes give genders to english words [07:11:23] Die, der, and das. [07:11:36] And there might be more idk. [07:11:45] afaik there's only those three [07:12:27] I keep putting off my Duolingo, I should start learning German again. [07:12:33] the three genders [07:12:37] I bought Duolingo for a year in December so I gotta use it lol. [07:12:59] All was peaceful, then one day, the fire nation attacked... [07:13:07] The first gender.... [07:13:29] I think one issue with learning languages is that unless you use them it's really hard to not forget them or even to learn them well [07:13:59] Jesus [07:14:13] have you given up on moving now? 😄 [07:14:29] same lol [07:14:34] I wanted to learn German to translate stuff into it. (Despite most Germans knowing English). [07:14:52] Baaaaaaah. Never. Forced to postpone the scheduled plans, may haps [07:15:03] There are some people that read faster with German than English. [07:15:05] Unfortunately it seems the public universities only have courses in German [07:15:36] Das is sehr schlect! [07:15:45] translation: that's very bad [07:15:57] I didn't realize that, I thought they'd have some international options [07:16:16] Same [07:16:28] <_arawynn> If anyone would like to practice German or needs help you're welcome to hit me up since I'm german [07:16:42] I think the Netherlands mostly has a lot of courses in English but even they're cutting down on them and international students [07:16:49] Thanks mate [07:16:53] Uh oh [07:17:12] hopefully australia will accept trans refugees from the us lol [07:17:26] I might be wrong but I think the countries that do courses in English and are more international friendly are: Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark [07:18:12] https://www.doctorsofsouthmelbourne.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/pronouns.jpg [07:18:14] he [07:18:28] <_arawynn> Also the sentence 'Deutschland über alles' is...well it's connected to Nazi Germany, though it's at the same time part of a poem/song that's the current hymn of Germany [07:18:39] idk why, but it saying just "he" and not "he/him" gives it funny meme potential [07:19:20] They do. [07:19:33] oh, currently? [07:20:39] They're always taking people in from other countries, you need to call the consulate in Boston though and ask them if they can take you for asylum, you need to be an adult afaik for the process or something like that. [07:25:06] Unless I manage 2 hours of Duolingo a day, oofs for me [07:25:11] Interesting [07:25:28] Maybe for my masters who knows if I don’t fall into the void by the [07:25:35] Too early to be considering these things [08:28:21] You may also apply as a refugee facing persecution in your home country: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/refugee-and-humanitarian-program/refugee-visas [08:32:09] hmm [08:44:03] interestingly, there's https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN7163 rn [09:04:27] Same [10:00:37] Welp, I signed it. [10:00:45] thank you <3 [10:08:39] Are people allowed to request user preference overrides for their wikis @blankeclair? [10:08:59] as in setting the default preference values? yeah, that happens often [10:09:09] [1/7] ```php [10:09:09]