[01:29:54] I agree, i just wouldn't have expected a company like Netflix to use something like Java; I'd have assumed with their millions of concurrent connections and doing heavy lifting like transcoding etc they'd elect for something like C++ or something where they have total control over memory but if it works 🤷‍♀️ [01:30:10] They did an interesting presentation about It which was pretty fun to watch [13:11:11] I've slowly drank the rust koolaid on principle so would be more pleased if I saw them use something like that [14:01:55] Some other services are written in Go, though it's probably not as extensive as Java. [14:04:21] I've tried my hardest to like Rust but its just unbearable [14:04:31] Go my beloved [14:16:19] what about it is the trouble, I have virtually no knowledge so just curious [14:17:30] I find rust code hard to read and even more to write, maybe just personnal preference/habits 🤷🏽 [14:18:06] [1/2] There's probably nothing inherently wrong with it for someone who truly understands what is going on, but I just found it really confusing. [14:18:06] [2/2] For example I found the whole thing with libraries confusing, like, what the fuck is a "mod XYZ" or whatever the fuck they use, why can't I just do "include XYZ" like any other sane language. [14:18:25] Also this. It's a really ugly language to look at which I find dulls productivity [14:18:41] so I gather it makes a lot of changes and isn't intuitive when you already use c++ etc [14:19:31] Like writing PHP, Go, C# and even JavaScript are relatively visually appealing in their syntax [14:19:35] with rust its all over the place [14:19:41] yeah [14:19:50] even simple things [14:19:51] I see [14:20:05] I hear swift is along similar lines and tries to be easier, any insight on that [14:20:43] Yeah, I think if you're a new programmer who has never used a C style language then it would probably be easy to pick up but trying to re-train my brain to understand what is going on is a killer for productivity [14:21:01] I've heard Swift is pretty productive tbf [14:21:17] never used it myself but all of the stuff i've read when I've looked people seem pretty happy with it [14:21:53] (but I guess you don't really have a choice if you're an iOS developer. You either use swift or don't write for iOS) [14:22:04] I'm not sure if apple still supports objective C or if they got rid of that [14:22:20] I imagine it's discouraged if they're all in for memory safe [14:25:03] Yeah, probably. But personally I'd rather sacrifice the slight performance gain from something like Rust for the added developer satisfaction you get from using something else [14:25:16] (but everyone does seem to be on the rust hype atp so idk) [14:25:51] PixDevl is probably going to murder me for those comments lol [14:26:13] I mean I kinda think it's just a question of getting use to it [14:26:21] it's not that bad [14:26:38] but yeah in the mean time i prefer to use other languages [14:27:57] _could be worse, it could be python_ [14:28:27] yeah python has a really weird syntax imo [14:28:41] but as i'm use to it, it's not a real issue 🤷🏽 [14:36:48] well the gain from rust is honestly the memory safety I think, I doubt many people use it chiefly for performance [14:36:59] and I sympathize considering how many holes are just plain memory related [14:37:58] I'm increasingly weary of running big stuff from fallible humans that has an infinite spiral in dependencies, complexity, maintenence needs... basically every day I inch a little less towards suckless.org minimalism [14:38:05] little more* [14:38:18] and yes, just using discord flies in the face of that hard [14:55:31] Eh, I mean you’re right. I’m not a Rustacrean myself (yet), but coming from Python when I tried it the difference in thinking about lifetimes and such is weird, but also slow to pick up the syntax. I didn’t try too much tbf, I had other bugs and got busy so :p [14:56:16] I ain’t waterboarding you for that [14:56:29] Now THIS comment… [16:19:43] [1/2] @originalauthority there's a very weird bug with UserProfileV2. [16:19:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1374783727476936714/2025-05-22_01-48-34.mkv?ex=682f4e9e&is=682dfd1e&hm=e9b7de0f4f5717ca165f980fc7bd93eef987ff4c46e6fad11177f2139998cebc& [16:19:58] Of course it recorded it as an mkv. [16:20:17] Basically, when you're scrolling in the menu with a "help" tooltip open, it will scroll the tooltip also. [16:21:40] Most likely a bug with OOUI [16:21:44] Its just a OOUI modal [16:22:23] Everyone loves OOUI, why else would we be trying to replace it... [16:22:31] :patrick_eyes: [16:32:16] WTF???? DISCORD JUST AUTOMATICLY GAVE ME THE FREE NITRO???? [16:32:25] Why??? [16:32:32] <.yowin> you are the chosen one [16:32:36] No [16:32:41] I don't want it [16:33:19] Too bad! [16:34:30] im upset because I already used up my 1 missed cancellation [16:35:51] and I have no idea if they're going to try and charge me for the subscription after it ends [16:37:31] Oh yeah, there's a bunch of messages missing from extension.json, and some of the language files are missing them too, like savechanges and help. [16:37:59] And some still have prefs-profile, but I think that's gone now. [16:38:24] Only the messages that need to be exposed to JavaScript are included in extension.json. [16:39:01] I haven't seen any missing messages, works for me? [16:40:11] The help and save buttons have missing messages for me when I install it on my wiki, so I had to add entries for them to the language files. [16:42:17] [1/2] they are there? [16:42:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1374789408674414844/image.png?ex=682f53e9&is=682e0269&hm=619221aac725c32228114dc8fd64793de44a3006c15eee38e242d49d00b3fefd& [16:43:51] Ah yeah, they're missing. I wonder if they're coming from somewhere else lol [16:45:18] they're provided by `MediaWiki:Savechanges` which comes from somewhere other than this extension lol [16:45:19] i wonder if they come from mediawiki core [16:45:20] That's what I was thinking, they were there and when I cleared my CloudFlare cache they were gone. [16:45:52] Very strange indeed. [16:46:14] Yeah they come from MediaWiki core. [16:47:32] How come there are custom message entries for it then? [16:49:42] Remove your card from your account [16:49:52] Discord is a bitch who just does this sometimes [16:50:22] @pixldev :GUN: read your DMs [16:50:29] I did [16:50:36] Did you listen to the song. [16:51:10] [1/2] Yea, that was my experience last time [16:51:10] [2/2] But at least they didn't force the free nitro on me [16:55:24] welcome to actidiscord [16:55:31] it will get worse [16:56:49] I might just stop paying for Nitro if Discord gets even worse than it already is. [16:57:26] Huh https://meta.runescape.wiki/w/User:Cook_Me_Plox/Bucket [16:57:30] Anyways goodnight, big day ahead of me, getting my broken tooth filled in, and I wanna visit the largest cinema in my city. And then visit the mountains on a train. [16:57:44] Cya [16:58:01] Nice. [16:58:15] a:bye: [17:01:07] been there, done that years ago [17:01:37] I might just start giving TeamSpeak my money instead. [17:01:42] lol [17:02:08] but yeah, I used to pay discord on two accounts so they got more than enough from me [17:02:23] Anyways, nighty night. [17:02:31] :AC_sleepytime: [17:02:38] o7 [17:17:07] [1/2] has anyone ever had this issue on windows lol [17:17:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1374798173331001415/image.png?ex=682f5c13&is=682e0a93&hm=cc630418076d61db4e2208e18ddc98e32a93cd9ae602152ebb276a2e0ad39aed& [17:17:12] where the heck has my text gone in file explorer [18:35:39] I think the transcoding part is probably done by ffmpeg (it's always ffmpeg, it's great, it works everywhere, very easy to just use) but Java can absolutely do heavy lifting - look at what Cassandra can do. It's a database but still very impressive. [20:31:42] I feel we've shown success and money doesn't always mean consistently acts competently. [23:28:31] @blankeclair are you able to check logs for sharkgirl.ing? getting so confused cause TCP traffic from my laptop fails but HTTP and UDP seem to work??