[00:00:06] [1/2] Found this again [00:00:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1398817188009480231/image0.jpg?ex=6886bd86&is=68856c06&hm=f2d4741c7a9e458c72a5200f8e0cf7f9a96a8d8e8a5d989692d03729719b4e25& [00:08:37] too true [00:12:24] [1/2] Just fell in love with dependency injection, I rewrote parts of RobloxAPI to use dependency injection and services and as a byproduct I accidentally fixed multiple code smells/hacks I wouldn't have been able to fix otherwise [00:12:25] [2/2] [00:12:38] i fucking love DI [00:13:00] [1/2] Like for example these methods intended to be used by unit tests that had to be present in prod code [00:13:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1398820431137341500/image.png?ex=6886c08b&is=68856f0b&hm=07ee9d41e5da8e324746168b937d9de10adde07340a41ae42e31df15c2c322a1& [00:13:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1f5b4vcxCQ [00:14:29] nice [00:14:33] gonna watch that when it's not 2 am lol [00:23:52] That sounds like a vuln [00:24:23] LMAO true [00:24:30] the next thing I'm gonna introduce to the extension is SQL injection /s [01:03:45] My favourite thing is instantiating classes before MediaWikiServices is available thats even better than DI [01:07:35] Also wtf is a SimpleExpiringCache [01:07:49] Well i mean its exactly what it sounds like but I didnt know that was a thing lol [01:09:07] Oh its provided by the extension ah [02:02:23] bouta crash out on central auth [02:03:01] why tf does it log me out in the most inconvient places 😭 [02:09:09] If you go to a new wiki logged in you never been to before it does that [02:09:25] It used lot worse 6-8 years ago [02:24:48] its already jank enough i dont wanna imagine what it was before [02:42:48] How do you check wikis in WikiForge (if there are any in it to begin with) [02:46:32] https://my.wikiforge.xyz/index.php?rp=/store/wiki-hosting/pro [02:46:36] confidence inspiring [02:47:32] 22 as of 2023: https://web.archive.org/web/20230804010620/https://meta.wikiforge.net/wiki/WikiForge [02:53:06] did wikiforge get rebranded to wikigrid? [02:53:08] https://meta.wikiforge.net/1.43/LocalSettings.php [02:53:15] [1/6] ```php [02:53:16] [2/6] 'wgCentralBannerRecorder' => [ [02:53:16] [3/6] 'default' => 'https://meta.wikigrid.com/wiki/Special:RecordImpression', [02:53:16] [4/6] //'beta' => 'https://meta.mirabeta.org/wiki/Special:RecordImpression', [02:53:17] [5/6] ], [02:53:17] [6/6] ``` [02:59:33] [1/3] https://backend.wikiforge.xyz/wiki/Special:UserLogin [02:59:34] [2/3] > Error 1146: Table 'wfglobal.globaluser' doesn't exist [02:59:34] [3/3] oh dear, i don't like the sound of that [03:43:03] can anyone get in contact with any of the chiikawa admins or bureaucrats? i want to help but i don't even have talk page permissions 😭 [03:52:54] You could leave them a message on their meta talk pages [03:54:11] oh ty!! [03:54:57] course [04:22:47] tf is wikiforge [04:23:01] looks like they use MH’s error page? [04:24:31] from what I can gather it was a failed MH project(?) [04:24:41] for profit wiki host that has a complicated history stemming from Miraheze [04:25:10] elaborate [04:25:22] uh [04:25:35] I think they tried to at one point and went back on it(?) https://www.wikigrid.com [04:25:57] [1/2] > Grid your plan for success [04:25:57] [2/2] that doesn’t make SENSE [04:26:11] https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/wikiForge is all i know [04:27:10] ok so [04:27:34] wikiforce broke off from MH and made wikitide [04:27:40] which then bought MH [04:27:50] god I’m confused [04:27:52] p sure we didn't buy each other [04:28:26] well wikitide was bought by MH or MH bought it or something right [04:28:32] It was said it had "complicated history" lol [04:28:36] its very complicated [04:31:13] after the 2023 incidents things happened I started wikiforge then June 2023 happened Wikiforge launched WikiTide then WikiTide split from wikiforge and eventually merged back into Miraheze through the merger. We are not affiliated with it either anymore. [04:32:00] ok got it [04:32:01] TL;DR: the organization that operates the WikiTide Foundation acquired MH in a merger, bringing the WT and MH services back to one platform, we are the ones who operate the service today. [04:32:10] indeed [04:32:12] okay right [04:32:33] and then wikiforge is just kinda dead and falling apart then [04:32:49] No idea on the status of it right now. [04:33:10] It is fully its own thing, Agent operates it independently from any of us or WT Foundation resources. [04:35:42] btw I don’t know when this happened or if it’s intended but orain.org no longer shows the Miraheze landing page [04:35:54] just the wiki not found page [04:36:19] on no [04:36:24] https://meta.orain.org still works [04:36:32] yay [04:38:03] also [04:38:27] on the other side of the spectrum, *.wikitide.com no longer shows the wiki not found page [04:38:36] just an error [04:38:46] while we’re discussing other wiki farms btw [04:38:52] I do quite like this skin https://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=aurora [04:40:24] [1/2] [04:40:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1398887726853656738/IMG_8126.png?ex=6886ff38&is=6885adb8&hm=315e2c0b1d732298ca019a777b0376c92bc0f78201d39cd873e74c0a5b861440& [04:40:29] [1/2] I love just going on YouTube and finding an hour long video rant on Just War Theory in the Hunger Games that opens with gal saying "listen chat I have a Bachelor's in Political Science and Human Geography I don't know what to do with them i don't have a job in either we aren't gonna talk about it I like these books you guys said you want this on TikTok ima pretend this is my undergra [04:40:30] [2/2] d thesis let's go" [04:43:02] Thats not a concern. wikitide.com itself shows the MH landing page lol [04:43:27] a lot of our domains dont resolve to anything at all lol [04:46:56] oh this happens with orain too [04:47:03] fair [04:47:40] though I feel like it’s just a tiny DNS change and then if someone goes to like http://verydeadlink.wikitide.com they’ll be prompted to create a wiki and then boom marketing [04:48:22] lol ill take a look if there is anything we can do tomorrow. [04:49:14] while I’m pointing out minute bullshit no one cares about Issues™ [04:49:26] https://blog.miraheze.org/ has no properly defined RSS feed [04:49:48] thats just from phorge [04:50:07] I dont know if it supports it or not [04:55:18] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/phame/blog/feed/2/ [05:01:55] I had to look at the source code of phorge to find that lol [05:07:08] I no longer do [05:08:19] other way around actually, our error page is WikiForge's [05:08:32] got it [05:08:42] when WikiTide merged back into Miraheze, it took parts of WikiForge's improved infrastructure, including all error pages [05:09:09] that I believe should be linked to from / in either a `meta` or `link` tag, I forgot which one :P [05:09:45] link, i _think_ [05:10:00] I think its link also but can't remember for sure lol [05:10:27] `` [05:12:06] huzzah [05:12:09] we did it [05:12:22] ? [05:40:15] Good to know, wasn't sure on current status there. [05:55:44] https://lucyfromnaarm.com/p/queensland-terfs-begin-baselessly [05:55:45] wat [06:13:37] https://docs.joinpeertube.org/api/activitypub [06:13:42] whoops [06:13:45] wrong link [06:15:31] aaaanyways [06:15:52] what I was going to say is I think the bot perfectly described @blankeclair [06:15:53] https://fox.nexus/@treats/114920391278833236 [07:36:19] _eyes at the email i sent off yesterday_ [09:46:23] What [09:47:45] a dead link [09:47:54] which is the purchase or w/e button on the pricing page :p [09:48:23] Are we even able to check what wikis it has? [10:02:24] no I'd believe it alright myself, no need for the video [10:02:49] normally, Special:WikiDiscover would work [10:03:01] but i can't even find its meta wiki, so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ [10:03:25] i believe the title, yes [10:03:32] i am still baffled by the claims though [10:04:50] Wowww [10:05:20] [1/2] omg the video [10:05:20] [2/2] "save our tomboys" [10:05:27] she clearly has never talked to a trans woman [10:06:19] I remember I had an account there, maybe I can find their metawiki [10:06:23] if I wasn't deleted [10:07:03] time to do subdomain enumeration i guess [10:07:14] I'm gonna look later today [10:08:01] although I don't really know where to login to begin with [10:08:14] also https://my.wikiforge.xyz/contact.php "file not found" [10:08:39] that's the problem [10:09:10] yeah, apparently you can't even request a wiki because you get redirected to a 404 page [10:09:24] https://phorge-storage.wikiforge.net/ [10:09:24] fun [10:09:39] is this what archaeology feels like [10:10:07] https://meta.wikiforge.net/wiki/Special:Version [10:10:16] It doesn't exist sadly [10:10:28] I think it's fair to say WikiForge is a living corpse, awaiting to be put from it's misery [10:10:48] someone pull the damn trigger already [10:11:23] yes [10:11:33] https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q119860151 [10:12:20] someone call the phone number on their front page for the lols pls [10:12:33] It's invalid [10:12:35] I thi k [10:12:50] don't know til you call it :3 [10:12:53] https://www.trustpilot.com/review/wikiforge.xyz i think they like it (WRONG) [10:12:59] how many calls do i have to the US [10:13:14] i have 0 and would like to keep it that way [10:13:34] lmao [10:14:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1398971728193130516/Screenshot_20250727-201403.png?ex=68874d73&is=6885fbf3&hm=a63438d2e88c30b10965bd9e08fdbe17d5fb36e96ccdb8a163846557b1a65a1c& [10:14:42] i love that they have taiwan [10:14:52] https://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/logs/%23wikiforge/ [10:14:54] taiwan and west taiwan [10:15:21] lol, agent has +v there [10:16:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1398972291307798580/Screenshot_20250727-201607.png?ex=68874df9&is=6885fc79&hm=07a39330ffa3bb70c0d0853d1fa1943b3617399bfd81e404fd1f0443dc03d991& [10:16:46] The most recent logs say [10:16:47] girl really said fuck it we callin' [10:17:05] i called the ato at school once [10:17:08] [23:23:22] Is anyone from wikiforge available? My wiki has been inaccessible for over a week now. I just do not want to lose any data. [10:17:13] the who [10:17:18] australian taxation office [10:17:27] dies of cringe [10:17:30] [1/2] [15:56:28] is wikiforge still a thing? the web site seems to be gone [10:17:30] [2/2] [16:56:28] Agent: ^ [10:17:31] last thing known to have been done in their servers (https://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/logs/%23wikiforge-sre/20240722.txt): t @ mwtask21 [10:17:39] t [10:17:50] t [10:17:51] 18:19:58] do you happen to have a link to the discord server? i went looking for one, but that's how i found out the web site is down. [10:18:00] I don't think WikiForge exists anymore [10:18:51] that rebrand to wikigrid really be doing well [10:19:23] especially with the state of affairs it left things in [10:20:01] Not even a central wiki [10:20:20] finally, decentralized wikifarm [10:20:56] LMFAO [10:21:00] DEAD wiki [10:21:07] Let's touch it with a stick [10:21:21] kids and corpses 🙄 [10:21:42] https://archive.md/*.wikiforge.net [10:22:05] https://tenor.com/view/yes-night-in-the-woods-nitw-mae-borowski-mae-night-in-the-woods-gif-20479898 [10:22:43] WikiForge is... LOST MEDIA?!? [10:24:04] that's forged up ngl [10:24:19] Pretty wiki if you tell me. [10:26:13] dysphoriaaaaaa [10:26:55] [1/63] ``` [10:26:55] [2/63] > cut -d/ -f3 cdx\?url=\.wikiforge.net\&collapse=original\&fl=original\&page= | cut -d: -f1 | sort -u [10:26:56] [3/63] alphatest.wikiforge.net [10:26:56] [4/63] americanrails.wikiforge.net [10:26:56] [5/63] avid.wikiforge.net [10:26:56] [6/63] betatest.wikiforge.net [10:26:57] [7/63] blog.wikiforge.net [10:26:57] [8/63] cabinbythelake.wikiforge.net [10:26:57] [9/63] commons.wikiforge.net [10:26:58] [10/63] cosmos.wikiforge.net [10:26:58] [11/63] darkangel.wikiforge.net [10:26:59] [12/63] dpl3.wikiforge.net [10:26:59] [13/63] fanonpedia.wikiforge.net [10:26:59] [14/63] howtodoitin.wikiforge.net [10:27:00] [15/63] hub.wikiforge.net [10:27:00] [16/63] lifemastery.wikiforge.net [10:27:01] [17/63] meta.wikiforge.net [10:27:01] [18/63] m.wikiforge.net [10:27:02] [19/63] mww.wikiforge.net [10:27:02] [20/63] mywiki.wikiforge.net [10:27:03] [21/63] notitg.wikiforge.net [10:27:03] [22/63] phorge-static.wikiforge.net [10:27:04] [23/63] phorge-storage.wikiforge.net [10:27:04] [24/63] pifshi.wikiforge.net [10:27:05] [25/63] plasticity.wikiforge.net [10:27:06] [26/63] premiumtest10.wikiforge.net [10:27:06] [27/63] premiumtest11.wikiforge.net [10:27:06] [28/63] premiumtest12.wikiforge.net [10:27:07] [29/63] premiumtest13.wikiforge.net [10:27:07] [30/63] premiumtest14.wikiforge.net [10:27:08] [31/63] premiumtest15.wikiforge.net [10:27:08] [32/63] premiumtest17.wikiforge.net [10:27:09] [33/63] premiumtest18.wikiforge.net [10:27:09] [34/63] premiumtest19.wikiforge.net [10:27:10] [35/63] premiumtest1.wikiforge.net [10:27:10] [36/63] premiumtest20.wikiforge.net [10:27:11] [37/63] premiumtest22.wikiforge.net [10:27:11] [38/63] premiumtest23.wikiforge.net [10:27:12] [39/63] premiumtest24.wikiforge.net [10:27:12] [40/63] premiumtest25.wikiforge.net [10:27:13] [41/63] premiumtest26.wikiforge.net [10:28:33] why did I hear this in the style of the 2012 eurovision winner euphoria by loreen [10:30:00] all of them are gone [10:30:01] ouchie [10:30:40] what happened to premiumtest3-6 :ThinkerMH: [10:30:51] gone, unarchived [10:30:59] rip [10:33:53] [1/10] ``` [10:33:54] [2/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Error] wikiforgelsbot: No such nick/channel. [10:33:54] [3/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on WikiForgeLSBot (account wikiforgebots): [10:33:54] [4/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Mar 25 21:10:10 2023 +0000 (2y 17w 5d ago) [10:33:55] [5/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- User reg. : Mar 25 20:16:23 2023 +0000 (2y 17w 5d ago) [10:33:55] [6/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : (about 11 weeks ago) [10:33:55] [7/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- User seen : (about 5 weeks ago) [10:33:56] [8/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Flags : HideMail, Private [10:33:56] [9/10] [27/07/2025 20:33] [Notice] -NickServ-  End of Info  [10:33:56] [10/10] ``` [10:35:43] lol, everypony is kicked shortly after: https://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/browser/index.php?start=07%2F22%2F2024&end=07%2F27%2F2025&data=true&display=%23wikiforge-sre [10:37:05] evil t [10:37:47] i wonder if i can piece together last activity [10:42:48] https://web.archive.org/web/20250607061203/https://static-help.wikiforge.net/docs/ [10:42:50] surprisingly reecent [10:43:23] last known working static capture: https://web.archive.org/web/20250512211627/https://static.wikiforge.net/avidwiki/thumb/2/21/Dic_(With_Bagdasarian_Byline).png/300px-Dic_(With_Bagdasarian_Byline).png [10:44:49] https://github.com/wikiforge public commits from a month ago 👀 [10:49:35] https://web.archive.org/web/20240811035753/https://hub.wikiforge.net/wiki/Special:UserLogin?returnto=Special%3ARequestPremiumWiki&returntoquery=wpsubdomain%3D&warning=wikiforge-requestpremiumwiki-notloggedin [10:49:41] last known mediawiki index page [10:50:34] a wikidiscover: https://web.archive.org/web/20240811035752/https://hub.wikiforge.net/wiki/Special:WikiDiscover [10:56:15] https://web.archive.org/web/20250418122103/https://backend.wikiforge.xyz/wiki/WikiForge [10:56:16] :O [10:56:21] that weird ass backend wiki [10:56:46] https://backend.wikiforge.xyz [10:57:38] https://web.archive.org/web/20241109035348/https://my.wikiforge.xyz/index.php/store/wiki-hosting [10:57:39] shope [11:24:22] Thats really fucked up if the wikis were just deleted with no warning [11:28:12] yahoo! [11:32:11] Why did Ultimate and Dedicated cost the same [11:32:48] Also lol "increasing Loops" [11:33:22] more value for your money 😎 [11:33:47] they bumped it up though: https://wikiforge.xyz/plans.html [11:34:35] Damn, price per loop has increased [11:36:59] Wonder if anyone got those SLOs [11:59:04] Doubt it [12:38:42] Let's Select The Perfect Plan [12:44:53] Yeah it really is [17:39:47] looks like they wiped user accounts [17:39:48] I can't login anymore, says my user doesn't exist [17:40:01] no user data, no problem [17:42:00] although I have to say I find it strange their favicon is still the Miraheze logo on that wiki [17:42:39] miraforge [17:53:55] Those stats on the landing page are doubtable [17:54:00] 3000 hours of support? Yeah… [21:24:28] it joins a small 'proud' handful of wiki projects to avoid like the plague [21:32:57] fortunately you don't have to do much to avoid them [21:33:04] nope [21:33:09] even if you wanted to pay them you couldn't 😂 [22:20:55] https://helpcenter.mywikis.wiki/wiki/Main_Page [22:21:06] How do I check all wikis in this wikifarm [22:29:48] This is the Miraheze Discord server, not the MyWikis discord server. [22:30:07] Og [22:31:28] i don't think they even have a public number [22:31:44] Truly the caller [22:35:24] what's the site again? WikiStats something? [22:35:44] WikiStats? [22:36:01] Ah, wikistats ison't on there [22:36:23] https://wikistats.wmcloud.org/ is a fun site that isn't 100% up to date, but has some interesting data [22:37:03] They even have a subsection for Miraheze [22:37:08] wikifur [22:37:15] Is it a wiki for furries or something [22:37:16] Yeah, what it says on the tin [23:42:39] https://www.mywikis.com/ [23:42:42] euuuuugh [23:42:46] “ai wikis” [23:43:51] https://www.mywikis.com/compare [23:44:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1399175535095185520/image.png?ex=68880b42&is=6886b9c2&hm=20e8ff94685a37c603403c6bf1f923a797fc4df0e29bda0f753782ad54e395ff& [23:44:04] lol [23:44:11] I feel like you could probably file a defamation case on this [23:44:21] "Miraheze places a large list of restrictions" what [23:45:08] their main argument is “we have more money” this is hilarious lmao [23:45:17] can we speedrun unrestricting cirrus ts pmo [23:45:25] on mywikis you don't even get VE, CirrusSearch, SMW, Matomo or the ability to use a custom domain if you use the basics plan [23:45:31] LMAO [23:45:50] SMW is basically 15$/month [23:45:56] what is it with these wiki hosting sites and not allowing VE [23:46:00] it always confuses me [23:46:23] their fuckin “latest comparison” is a Twitter link this has to be satire [23:46:29] sorry miraheze i have to move to MyWikis because #TheyHaveCirrusSearch [23:46:42] snd? [23:47:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1399176325985599519/IMG_8149.png?ex=68880bff&is=6886ba7f&hm=4a17469b5d719d5157c36cf6d936cc9ffab57512db215dcc1b6477dba493eab2& [23:47:17] thank you “Julia C.” [23:47:37] the other wikis in question: Fandom [23:48:03] their last post was 2021 [23:48:06] on medium [23:48:11] which they’re using as a blog [23:48:43] they have less in-house infrastructure than a free competitor [23:49:08] let's move to #WikiDot! this wikifarm SUCKS! [23:49:20] bet they dont even have a mediawiki +2 cabal [23:49:41] first featured wiki I click on [23:49:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1399176965990256761/IMG_8150.png?ex=68880c98&is=6886bb18&hm=739b2a39a0ec904c0d498f0785c6f6bda6ba131b81b4f6202842aef26e06f9d6& [23:51:22] [1/2] the rest of the page isn’t any better [23:51:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1399177375715033289/IMG_8151.png?ex=68880cf9&is=6886bb79&hm=7b1bed371526eb2acd77e25806f048a5427d4ea0f070741236b7d54493e13eaa& [23:51:48] you know what i’m gonna do something really goddamn funny [23:52:03] im sad they're paying for that [23:52:15] I’m gonna reach out to every featured wiki and tell them about MH in the hopes they’ll move [23:52:20] nah dont do that [23:52:28] that's obnoxious [23:52:33] eh [23:52:34] fair [23:52:41] but also [23:52:47] mywikis was unable to handle the avid migration, is heavy on ai, and seemed to me like it had relatively little extra to offer in feature set. At worst miraheze does suffer because of how it is very open and community and volunteer driven, that is an acquired taste [23:52:49] it would be fuckin hilarious [23:53:18] so like [23:53:25] wow stuff must be bad if they couldn't handle avid [23:53:31] weighing the pros and cons rn :P [23:53:43] if you're expecting no bar in approval mywiki may also be superior [23:54:01] though no doubt mywiki has limits you simply have to visit another page to find [23:54:07] no bar in approval but also $199.99 a year [23:54:16] it's easy to be accepting when you get money [23:54:17] whats avid [23:54:28] avid is a very file heavy wiki about logos and stuff [23:54:34] ooh [23:54:34] https://avid.wiki (lets see if i remember) [23:54:42] i did remember [23:54:51] it's not our biggest now but it was and still is way up there [23:55:12] and so they migrated off mywikis [23:55:15] is it big? [23:55:29] i like the skin [23:55:31] beautiful [23:55:33] and mywikis got super pissy about it, am I correct? [23:55:33] girl they only have 60gb, you're telling me they couldn't find 60 damn gbs for them? [23:55:44] avid actually only moved from miraheze because of the unfortunate events in 2023. Then it went to wikiforge, courted mywiki for a while, and eventually went back to miraheze [23:55:44] https://www.avid.wiki/Special:MediaStatistics [23:56:03] ooh my [23:56:06] oop sorry i forgor videos [23:56:09] avid never finished mywiki migration, took too long with too many setbacks and I guess they needed to provision more and more and it just wasn't working out [23:56:15] 95gb? they couldn't find 95gb? [23:56:30] the problem with avid is not just storage but the constant bandwidth it takes [23:56:43] calling on that storage times however many users is taxing especially when the wiki is media heavy [23:56:50] this is before it cut back heavily on videos for example [23:56:55] hmm [23:57:11] they better not be running their shit on cloud servers, cause that would be veeery expensive indeed [23:57:15] this was also a problem on wikiforge as it ended up taking a dedicated server relative to the far smaller beans wikiforge was hosting [23:57:31] how does avid work? [23:57:36] agent would remember the specs that were required to host [23:57:48] I'm far too fuzzy but it took oodles of memory, dedicated ram and so on [23:58:16] very hungry and demanding baby that avid [23:58:25] indeed [23:58:40] i'm still not sure how avid works (sorry) [23:58:45] some of its more affluent volunteers donate to miraheze still [23:58:52] what do you mean by how it works, do you mean to ask what it's about or [23:58:58] its just a wiki like any other, but with a crap ton of images and videos [23:59:03] what is it about [23:59:08] logos, basically [23:59:13] that's it? [23:59:18] and opening animations, closing animations, etc [23:59:37] Hm [23:59:40] network branding, all that kind of stuff [23:59:48] more media heavy and vast in content than you might expect