[00:29:30] Hello my fellow nerds and weirdos. [00:46:27] hello my beardos and weirdos [04:50:24] Hello my very normal and well adjusted people [04:56:01] laaaaaaame [05:07:20] do i count as well adjusted [05:49:21] Hello Amelia. [05:49:23] I'm Erf. [05:49:51] I'm currently driving a ambulance. Listening to songs from an anime and blowing red light. [05:49:53] 😎 [05:49:55] Back to driving. [05:49:56] Bye. [05:52:37] i am back from be trip [05:52:59] the ccp did not get me.... may the csis have better luck.... [06:05:10] im pretty well adjusted and very normal [06:58:32] hj bongo [06:58:46] hi everyone [07:26:08] the news coverage on the OSA and related efforts is such bs [07:26:17] even the EFF has let me down on this one with https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/just-banning-minors-social-media-not-protecting-them [07:27:38] [1/5] ``` [07:27:39] [2/5] The Commission's guidelines contain a wealth of measures elucidating the Commission's understanding of "age appropriate design" of online services. We have argued that some of them, including default settings to protect users’ privacy, effective content moderation and ensuring that recommender systems’ don’t rely on the collection of behavioral data, are practices that would ben [07:27:39] [3/5] efit all users. [07:27:39] [4/5] ``` [07:27:39] [5/5] "are practices that benefit all users"??? You don't have to cede anything to the censors man, even if what you're saying is true [07:28:57] political change has never been brought about by those that only argue for moderate reform [07:29:25] also, `Article 28 requires online platforms to take appropriate and proportionate measures to ensure a high level of safety, privacy and security of minors on their services.`????? Where are the scare quotes at least? [07:34:24] [1/3] There's no major organized opposition to the OSA and this overall push for these laws, this could've been the chance for the EFF to take the lead but I guess they just don't have what it takes. Too much of a "work within the system" org [07:34:24] [2/3] Instead of these technocratic slight modification of laws approach, if you really want to get people on your side you have to use emotions, you have to offer narratives, this doesn't motivate anyone to get up their sofas for anything. You have to talk of censors, you have to talk about nanny states requiring your papers to use your phone, you have to say "THEY WANT TO SEND YOUR [07:34:25] [3/3] DATA TO PALANTIR/OPENAI/MUSK". [07:36:34] anyone that already knows of those details is already on your side, literally noone is being brought over by articles like those [08:11:44] that's unfortunate, I tend to lean heavily towards the eff as one of the more effective orgs on topics like this and as you say there's nothing punching higher [08:12:02] beyond stuff like the wmf suit [08:13:50] [1/2] "we didn't make valve delete games, we made paypal make valve delete games" [08:13:51] [2/2] https://www.pcgamer.com/games/mastercard-deflects-blame-for-nsfw-games-being-taken-down-but-valve-says-payment-processors-specifically-cited-a-mastercard-rule-about-damaging-the-brand/ [08:40:30] [1/6] Clearly they can cover stuff correctly, look at the other article on drag shows in Florida (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/you-went-drag-show-now-state-florida-wants-your-name): [08:40:30] [2/6] * They will put you on a government list ✅ [08:40:30] [3/6] * "the so-called 'Protection of Children Act'" (with scare quotes even) ✅ [08:40:31] [4/6] * "Just like the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA) and other bills with misleading names" ✅ [08:40:31] [5/6] This is what you need to say, although I think misleading is maybe too soft of a term but overall this is the language you want to use. This is what they also need to say when talking about the OSA. And if you want to move from this to effective advocacy you need to get politicians to say this in front of a camera and share clips on TikTok, Instagram, everyw [08:40:31] [6/6] here. [08:50:22] lmao, collective shout is like a SWERF group? [08:50:58] "feminists" [08:52:20] i still can't understand why SWERFs exist [08:52:36] then again, same thing for *ERF [08:53:31] it exists for when the far right wants to claim feminists are on their side on any issue for PR reasons basically [08:53:55] the one time where i need to go "i should stop AGF" [10:11:55] <_arawynn> I would have gotten problems with credit card verification bc I got my first one literally just this year with 31 because I didn't need one [10:21:13] lol yeah, i still don't have a cc [10:31:40] What is swerf ? [10:32:22] sex worker-exclusionary radical feminists [10:33:02] Oh okay [10:47:10] unfortunately it's the only option the censors in the UK offer that's not "give us your ID/give us a video of your face so we can give it to the shadiest companies on earth" [10:48:27] although if they ever demand we do age checks I still prefer a geoblock [10:49:53] same [10:50:32] I think now is a good time to announce that I'm currently planning to run for the board next year as a [[Community Director]], specifically aiming to take Reception's community seat [10:50:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_Director [10:50:33]

[10:52:16] oooh elections with choices? yay [10:53:09] I'll be running specifically to fight against these kinds of laws and push the board more towards fighting ofcom in court (most likely through supporting other entities fighting them like the WMF) as well as towards geoblocking of the UK in favor of removing more features [10:53:21] but you'll learn more about that when campaigning time comes around [10:54:46] Wasn't I talking to you about credit cards the other week [10:54:56] yep x3 [10:54:58] well [10:55:06] probably not literally the other week [10:55:14] but likely a month or a month + few weeks ago [10:56:10] I need to pay my credit card bill on Monday [10:56:18] Got my graduation payment on [10:56:22] Which is highway robbery [10:56:27] frankly, outside of the US where it is beneficial to your credit score to have and use your CC, I'd argue most shouldn't have it [10:57:10] Credit cards can help your credit score in the UK too [10:57:21] the fuck??????????? [10:57:40] as if the students weren't poor enough already [10:57:43] Also better purchase protection with a credit card [10:57:57] fine, you get a pass, but still... [10:58:51] I have never paid interest on either of my credit cards [10:58:59] how important is your credit score (if it's not trash) [10:59:19] If you want a house or car pretty important [10:59:30] Or a phone contract [10:59:39] Don't start. [10:59:47] I use my Amex a lot because its simply just a better experience than using cash et al [10:59:48] The amount they want to take bloody photos [11:00:05] it determines how trustworthy you're for loans more or less, so pretty important [11:00:18] mine's at 843 w/o any credit [11:02:11] is it a "you should actively improve it" kinda deal, or a "as long as you don't get yourself into bad situations, it's fine" [11:03:49] too late, im already preparing a manifesto /j [11:04:25] There are basics you should do that will help [11:04:30] Like registering to vote [11:49:46] For the record since I was mentioned, I don't support the OSA and ID verification. I disagree however with MH spending its limited funds to fight it in court, that's my position [11:50:51] The WMF is already doing it so I doubt we'd have any more luck than them and in any case lawyers in the UK are quite expensive [11:51:40] Oh this might be the wrong chat but that's fine [11:51:48] I guess the main difference between us is then that I'd support a geoblock in favor of further removal of features then [11:52:23] how many people uk ips we have now? [11:52:29] I too agree that we don't have the resources for a legal fight, I meant support in other terms such as signing open letters and such [11:53:05] I don't remember the exact number but I think 9M per month [11:53:29] That's fair but I think that unless there's a concerted effort it wouldn't really help [11:53:54] If there was a concerted effort between companies to boycott the UK due to ID verification and OSA that might make it more interesting to consider [11:54:14] Oh sure, that's definitely something the board should at least consider IMO [11:54:35] there's still a while until the elections in May, who knows what will happen, specially as ofcom starts really getting going. [13:52:07] [1/2] To any Mega Man fans, which method works better? Capcom's red or Archie's blue? [13:52:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1401200894753767454/image.png?ex=688f6986&is=688e1806&hm=9e166db9777b6114062394b3635053b85702d6470233742f5e39fe036b2734b7& [15:32:15] [1/3] Just for clarity, "Fighting it" globally, as a direct and solo legal action, is increasingly likely to be a bankrupting/service-ending activity. [15:32:16] [2/3] Unfortunately, we're no longer as niche a project and meet most minimums for some sort of impact with most of the regulations I'm watching. As more and more countries/states within countries enact these laws around the globe, the number of simultaneous venues we'd need to start a legal campaign in would financially overwhelm even our community's amazing generosity. [15:32:16] [3/3] Joining on to a larger class suit or adding on to amici briefs/open letters is the more realistic path for an organization of our size and funding, but as mentioned before, we're exploring all options and where we can be helpful to the bigger (and very important) fight. [15:54:00] cooking pasta without a strainer since roommate left, wish me luck [15:58:40] happy to report 0 casualties [17:03:51] I don’t really get the question but I I loved the Archie comics as a kid [19:55:14] [1/2] https://sites.google.com/view/taerel/home [19:55:14] [2/2] what do you think of this google site so far? Intersed in how I can make it better web design wise [20:00:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1401293676667342848/IMG_2231.png?ex=688fbfef&is=688e6e6f&hm=c0237f72096eb68b770a6486ed1a0156d0fac22e4f5b58e32c27167325bcfa65& [20:03:17] :Partyheze: [20:03:25] 10 years [20:03:34] Sure has done a lot of things [20:49:35] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Miraheze [20:49:54] bigheze [20:50:07] Might make a account here cause the number of existent wikis is outdated [21:04:17] https://files.sharkgirl.ing/~claire/transheze.svg [21:04:27] TRANSHEZE!!! [21:04:48] send her to the emoji factory posthaste [21:05:00] i'm in bed [21:07:26] i checked and you don't have the rights to do so anyway :( [21:07:51] first 2025 moderator election when [21:08:57] wait rlly? [21:10:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1401311154915119185/image.png?ex=688fd036&is=688e7eb6&hm=0f949546c1aa98f6e7daa46a661674ea78919b19be673bf4948e0732ed7a8d75& [21:11:35] nooooooooo [21:12:17] wait until you find out that infra can manage threads but we cant :( [21:13:36] White [21:13:36] css/js support volunteers can send tts messages for some reason??? [21:13:39] who" [21:34:46] Yeah, our permissions remain a weird mess, discord is not the friendliest/lacks granular breakouts in the way I'd prefer [21:36:47] can you please add transheze 🙏 [21:36:49] give us all discord admin, nothing can go wrong (i really need one of these funny emojis but luckily no dispensable income nor do I feel like doing fakemojis) [21:39:08] [1/2] estrogen is an anti-depressant [21:39:08] [2/2] change my mind [21:40:33] Gonna run for admin first out of spite [21:41:07] pms joins the chat [21:41:08] As a 'moji? [21:41:12] yeah [21:41:19] ^ [21:42:00] okay you got me there [21:42:26] still got rid of my depression tho [21:43:32] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1401319531133276242/eaac82cf-93f5-4abe-8000-06e0750d382c.jpg?ex=688fd803&is=688e8683&hm=b7448d11587b1c1345c22271abd7bbbec0b329d3be0e00b461297bcfa7d51b8e& [21:43:37] Cat [21:43:55] i rlly should get out of bed before my dose lol [21:44:32] The bed forces you to stay [21:44:39] It's effective [21:45:15] :transheze: now exists, use responsibly. 🙂 [21:45:34] im gonna use it transponsibly :transheze: [21:45:48] What constitutes responsibility here [21:46:07] the h person sticker incident: [21:46:43] :transheze: [21:46:47] :transheze: [21:46:49] ngl it looks so edible [21:46:53] real [21:47:41] am i in danger [21:48:57] futures made of virtual insanity [21:49:14] now, always seem to be governed by this love we have [21:49:24] for useless twisting of new technology [21:49:33] oh, now there is no sound [21:49:38] for we all live underground [21:49:39] [1/2] this seems like blowing hot air to me to be honest especially as there's been little effort to propose or pursue realistic options either via existing community resources or in correspondence with current volunteers. Much as I am inclined to look into further options after the current multi day dead stretch can pass over your approach has struck me as leanin [21:49:39] [2/2] g destructive and is not the sort of thing I would personally like to support in a comrade on the board, and I already consider myself at the bounds of reasonably radical to keep the platform functional. My 2c before returning to business [21:50:03] ooh, of this virtual insanity we're living in [21:50:10] has got to change, oh [21:50:22] things will never be the same [21:50:39] and i can't go on while we're living in, oh [21:50:45] oh, virtual insanity [21:51:05] oh, this world has got to change [21:51:22] cause i, i just can't keep going on [21:51:34] in this virtual, virtual insanity [21:51:47] that we're livin in, we're livin in [21:51:50] are you posting song lyrics for no reason [21:52:00] and a virtual insanity is what it is [21:52:12] Let's take the song lyrics elsewhere please [21:53:35] nah, i had my girl pills :transheze: [22:18:06] I'm open to debating the OSA for as long as you want, but I personally would rather save this for later because by the time of the board elections roll around we will have seen Ofcom take action and there'll be more to discuss when that happens [22:18:33] there is plenty that can be initiated far earlier without playing board politics games [22:18:51] I will only take someone seriously if they look at it that way instead of wait and see which is surprising coming from you tbh [22:18:54] and I do understand being seen as leaning destructive because I know key members of certain groups are from countries that'd be subject to the kind of geoblock I want [22:19:25] it's a matter I'd be happy to field in the form of an rfc that can get a broader base of opinion [22:19:28] fortunately as a democracy you'll be able to vote against me if what Ofcom will do over the coming months doesn't turn you to my position [22:19:53] yeah, the geoblock should be a RfC when that comes around [22:20:12] not the brexit rfc 😭 [22:20:16] more of the board is likely sympathetic to geoblock when it comes down to it than you think, if australia goes off the deep end I would seriously consider it in that case [22:20:23] less to loose that direction [22:20:38] in the US it's going to be a shitshow patchwork of states short of kosa which will be the end [22:20:53] the eu in general is working on a really shitty framework that would also dealbreak for me [22:20:59] but I of course won't be joining the board just for this single law, I also come as a general anti-age check board member for the similar laws that are coming [22:21:10] the board is broadly anti age check I can assure [22:21:16] KOSA will be the end, there'll be no getting around that [22:21:21] the day it is not is another day I will not be there [22:21:39] but I leave it at that and go back to events of today and the next few days, then I can look towards miraheze properly again [22:21:49] food for thought [22:26:46] on a more lighter note, I have finally purchased the new deltarune chapters and am looking forward to playing them [22:27:09] I have been avoiding deltarune music on YouTube just for this moment [22:27:22] whoever spoils me shall feel the endless wrath of my block button 😈 [22:27:38] kris will be in chapter 4 [22:27:55] Enjoy! From what I hear they're quite a treat [22:28:58] https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-yoshi-mario-discord-gif-12444703281338986867 [22:30:59] https://tenor.com/view/blåhaj-gif-27048745 [22:31:27] https://tenor.com/view/cat-blahaj-cat-take-blahaj-gif-15803394260821331374 [22:31:35] yoink :3 [22:31:40] AYO [22:33:19]