[01:03:05] Awful but I can totally see it happening in a place like NW. [01:19:56] uh [01:19:59] damn [02:02:31] [1/3] Finally my core patches I made between November 2024 and the 1.44 release are running in prod [02:02:31] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414793058868002868/image.png?ex=68c0dc36&is=68bf8ab6&hm=273406dc556fffc1d5085c9ea0de4f5f24106d0c031eb17d49735a71397399bd& [02:02:31] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414793059236843573/image.png?ex=68c0dc36&is=68bf8ab6&hm=7ca0278d1d22f5753a43f33f246b732111fcdfa1f4ab4277e088cc6a87664fe3& [02:02:32] https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1144716926854119594.webp?size=48 [02:04:18] Oh those were you lol [02:05:26] those + , which is a big improvement to the code quality and logic of these warnings, but unfortunately only in 1.45 [02:21:35] [1/2] Just got this notification lol [02:21:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414797856669302854/image.png?ex=68c0e0ae&is=68bf8f2e&hm=b7850ec7812a3db5fc4921642d463cf191e08643c4983ef940d9e044c5f568b3& [02:25:55] So did I [02:26:09] Nice! [02:26:09] I’m sad we couldn’t have MH or WT \:P [02:38:36] I'm guessing MH is taken by a monster Hunter server. [02:38:41] HEZE would've gone kind of hard. [02:40:56] these arent exclusive [02:40:59] they can be reused [02:41:09] I know of at least 3 different WIKI tags [02:42:12] ohh [02:43:08] we could [03:17:40] [1/2] look its john wikipedia and john wikitide [03:17:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414811972100161576/Screenshot_2025-09-08_231046.png?ex=68c0edd4&is=68bf9c54&hm=b183a944756ae8b7d225691de419a373605e659ab8a5c9276bd0d0ceb50659d2& [03:21:15] Is that Wikipedia roleplay? [03:22:13] That was us last here playing with account names based on that lol [03:23:44] Hey guys its me john wikiheze [03:25:17] john wtf [03:25:40] nothing like sleeping 4 to 4 [03:27:37] i was searching up 'oh fuck' to see silly miraheze screw ups and found that 😭 [03:34:03] that was only a bit past midnight local [03:38:07] speaking of midnight local, it is 23:37 est and i probably should not be up this late on a school night while on a computer, according to the psychiatrist [03:38:56] but uh.... [03:39:03] its fine trust trust [03:39:06] heh [03:39:15] have you tried estr- [03:39:45] should i drink a 5 hour energy next time i try to sleep [03:39:54] do not [03:40:09] when i drank one at school it made my hungry and sleepy [03:40:33] so maybe.... [03:40:33] do [03:40:46] didn't know about hungry tbh [03:41:03] i once got sleepier after drinking coffee (pre-transition) lol [03:41:10] zammies [03:41:29] ok tomorrow is also the day where im gonna try to get my shit together [03:41:41] it is going very well considering i am up this late [03:42:26] and other lies you can tell yourself [03:42:28] Jeremiraheze and Jeremediawiki [03:42:36] *Hungary [03:44:22] i wont forget since i definitely will get a good sleep i have never gotten ever this night [03:44:30] it will work trust me [03:44:44] ok i should probably actually sleep now [03:45:02] https://tenor.com/view/night-in-the-woods-mae-sleeping-mae-mae-nitw-nitw-gif-21513936 [03:50:08] haha [03:50:56] [1/2] YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS [03:50:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414820343792668734/image.png?ex=68c0f5a0&is=68bfa420&hm=b43fd0975cbe17599546487e24fb3a2041026f2dc918da000bf30cea164f8e50& [04:21:45] makes sense if it's sugar free [04:28:52] Night in the Woods [05:23:12] Oh nice [06:10:55] heze sounds like russian "fuck knows" shortened slang, sorry [06:11:14] oops wrong message reply [09:01:22] well... i was feeling rather irritated in the middle of class for no reason ^^; [09:01:24] so you're not wrong [09:01:56] congratulations [09:02:14] yay? xD [11:20:06] raghh we love nitw [11:20:45] Its wiki should be forked to Miraheze [11:22:07] if only [11:22:28] ok today is when lock tf in [12:11:37] lol fair [13:37:00] https://cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog/115174005290146637 [13:37:02] amazing [13:41:52] [1/2] does anyone know why certain language variants (fr in this example) have the << in their titles? [13:41:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1414969056896880702/Screenshot_2025-09-09_at_14.41.27.png?ex=68c18020&is=68c02ea0&hm=22bce8f3db7e47e825ad0f9b1d9c29740a95ee61f0906bb1f69340a93c6f5a94& [13:42:00] not really important but just wondering lol [13:42:12] I think it's " but in a different language [13:42:21] they just use different quotes [13:44:02] weird, the title doesn't have quotes in english though [13:45:29] Looks like an inconsistency in the translations [13:47:37] [1/3] maybe - I wonder if certain languages need those around wfMessage params to work properly? [13:47:37] [2/3] https://codesearch.wmcloud.org/search/?q=%22history-title%22&files=%28es%29%5C.json&excludeFiles=&repos= [13:47:38] [3/3] es also has them but ses doesn't [13:47:52] or as you say maybe they were translated by different people who did what they want [13:53:01] I skimmed over the localisation guidelines for french and spanish on translatewiki but didn't find anything related to quotes, so it's probably the latter [16:44:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1415014924735742114/image.png?ex=68c1aad7&is=68c05957&hm=2f21e5cd87ada8b777e7d87f741bb9aff88c1e639a3ec51b06654d27ef39fa45& [17:21:58] @pixldev @theoneandonlylegroom remember when I told you guys I was globally blocked on Fandom more than a year ago? I finally managed to get myself unblocked. [17:30:57] lol [17:31:40] Yup [17:31:51] That gblock genuinely felt pretty dumb [17:32:19] so how? [17:32:22] It was just a stupid advertisement of a fork of a wiki lol [17:32:31] unblocked i mean [17:32:32] Like I used an alt to do so [17:32:44] Oh, I appealed simply [17:33:03] Tbh it did take multiple tries [17:33:24] I'm surprised I didn't get gblocked yet [17:33:36] I have posted links to the miraheze wiki countless times [17:33:43] Not on articles tho obv [17:33:51] But in message walls and posts, yeah a lot [17:34:12] Yeah [17:34:32] Of course, from now on, my full focus will forever remain on non-Fandom wikis lol [17:34:52] Fallen star duo [17:35:09] (they still haven't removed my star) [17:35:17] But it's really nice to regain access to the wikis still stuck on Fandom, and aren't practical to fork [17:35:33] After so long [17:35:43] Yeah, unfortunately still need to edit one Fandom wiki myself, too difficult to fork it imo [17:35:52] Like, the ST Wiki fork is already killing me [17:36:10] I am not ready to handle another fork, especially since I need to do all the technical heavylifting here [17:36:21] i forked a very abandoned and broken wiki in 2023, put a big bold letter w/ link on main page and changed templates to have similar redirects - it's still like this lol [17:36:56] Gotta work on it [17:36:59] Haha [17:37:19] How long does it usually take for the Miraheze Wiki to start coming second? [17:37:26] In your experience at least? [17:37:31] it's a mystery [17:37:35] if we talk google [17:38:49] Personally, I've never forked to Miraheze yet, I did fork to wiki.gg and even Weird Gloop, but the general idea is the same [17:39:24] Older articles won't do good against Fandom, but newer articles started on the new wiki means we have a chance to shine [17:40:00] And of course, the more new/exclusive articles we have, the better the SEO of the new wiki [17:40:02] [1/2] links to wiki on other public web sites, like reddit, can help significantly [17:40:03] [2/2] twitter used to be in this field too, untill musk ruined it [17:40:35] I have seen Miraheze Wikis actually beat Fandom [17:40:39] True, there are a few cases where I did help push linking to the new wiki [17:40:50] The phighting wiki for example, it utterly demolishes Fandom [17:41:00] First example that comes up in my mind is Rain World [17:41:11] rain world had publisher help [17:41:24] Fandom still has one wiki on Rain World that didn't get closed yet [17:41:28] A lot of Wiki.gg wikis I’ve seen tend to beat their fandom counterparts [17:41:29] but it is a prime example [17:41:40] And even that wiki is doing shitty compared to MH lol [17:41:52] iirc it was created after the forked one was closed [17:42:11] [1/3] Is our description good? [17:42:11] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1415029532477362217/image.png?ex=68c1b872&is=68c066f2&hm=80231ba49c8776b112421d4bd2f8928a17c5bebcfed5de0e8a1734b6a81e31fa& [17:42:11] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1415029532985131048/image.png?ex=68c1b872&is=68c066f2&hm=c4621d02523a3f176fef3b4244b2f7c0407a5ce5a41ee278b021022adcd9aed7& [17:42:13] Idk about that [17:42:23] But either way, it's clearly losing and that's good [17:42:33] wiki.gg has a bonus of ads+google analytics [17:42:42] in the eyes of google at least [17:42:43] We are currently trying to get the wiki official, so that might help us out [17:42:48] Obviously that's cause the wiki.gg is being more well developed [17:42:58] May every wiki.gg wiki prosper [17:43:13] Do custom domains help SEO or make it even more difficult? [17:43:19] And all "independent" wikis too ofc [17:43:26] except one, because im bitter /j [17:43:38] Yeah I remember [17:43:40] from my experience, more difficult [17:44:07] Never dealt with a custom domain cuz I never had a wiki I've edited fork to MH [17:44:14] it hindered pizza tower wiki despite migration process and stuff, but we build a very good reputation already [17:44:27] But I'd assume it'd be more difficult particularly if you changed it on later [17:44:49] Cuz Google has to reindex the wiki or smth idk [17:45:25] I think it really hurt Equestripedia because we went through like three different domains [17:47:38] [1/2] miraheze.org has a reputation after all, not huge, but still [17:47:39] [2/2] and custom domain doesn't unless there's some trend behind it [17:52:32] i think in st case there won't be a difference tho [17:53:08] unless you already registered the wiki in console w/ miraheze.org [17:56:23] better [17:57:00] It's registered in the console 😢 [17:57:05] collaboration aspect doesn't really works in lurking people, on my opinion [17:57:29] But yeah, we will have a talk about this [17:57:31] then you'll have to migrate site [17:57:41] in console [17:57:46] Ahh ok [17:58:05] Just need someone to actually pay for it lol. [17:58:08] again, i did everything require for pt, and we don't know why it didn't work [17:58:16] we are still 50/50 against fandom [17:58:26] despite all the changes done in 2 years [17:58:59] however, i also noticed google gives miraheze.org results [17:59:09] which then redirect to custom domain [18:00:12] I wave my £10 notes at them insted [18:19:02] On another note: I hate that noodles (Itsu) are £2 a pack in my local supermarket [18:35:34] It's slow, but you can already tell Fandom is starting to lose its monopoly on wikis. [18:35:50] The Wikipedia article even now lists them as a "media conglomerate" rather than a wiki host [18:40:23] That's mostly because they bought a bunch of other media properties though [18:54:39] true, but it's a good thing that they are losing their wiki monopoly [18:54:52] most of the popular games I know of all have non-Fandom wikis [18:55:18] e.g. take this random list of games: minecraft, stardew valley, undertale, vampire survivors, balatro, animal well, fancade [18:55:57] every single one of these games have quality and proper non-Fandom wikis [18:56:11] I mean their primary business is not hosting [18:56:25] Commercial businesses don't offer things for free [18:56:41] You're just not paying with money [18:57:21] That's my point though [18:59:19] Fandom's product is the spot on your wiki that it sells to advertisers [18:59:29] And you're basically doing the hard bit for them [18:59:54] They just need to promote the right pull [19:03:54] it's a shame that they sold themselves to TPG [19:04:22] idk why they bought all that shit cause all i've seen them do with it is recommend the sloppified corpses of these purchases on their wikis [19:04:28] but it's also a good thing that we now have better/independent hosts because Fandom does need some competition afterall [19:04:39] like wow cool no one gives a shit about this old gamespot review, absolutely no one [19:05:11] i think that's the only purchase i can actually remember [19:05:12] Well they wanted Gamepedia really all the other stuff was extra I guess [19:05:29] yeah like [19:05:37] as a media conglomerate [19:05:43] what's the purpose of fandom? [19:06:08] they could sell ads without all of that lol [19:06:10] why couldn't it just remain as a wiki host? why the need to buy other stuff? how does it benefit us or even others who use the other properties often [19:07:00] like i never understood the direction they wanted to take [19:08:03] Because that's not profitable [19:11:13] Because capitalism [19:11:46] yeah [19:12:02] do I sound insane, but don't wikis/wiki communities almost feel inherently anti-capitalistic? [19:13:17] Not at all - the point of a wiki is to create a useful resource for everyone to use and improve on, which is the exact opposite of a capitalistic society [19:13:55] yup, or spending time on something you want to build and no money [19:14:13] (unless if you're self-hosting or paying for a domain) [19:48:34] oh Fandom is still hosting giant bomb for now [19:48:35]