[00:38:38] Oh claire you're aussie right? yeah these new ID laws are RIDICULOUS. I was locked out of my discord for 8 days because I have a baby face lmao [00:38:52] ouch 💀 [00:39:02] i do this trick called Not Bothering with ID Verification [00:39:12] surprisingly, i'm not too majorly affected by it [00:39:46] aside from not being able to access 18+ channels, so i had to reverse engineer and debug a game all by myself instead of using the support channel [00:41:53] [1/2] huh, unselected option lol [00:41:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1451011556966928535/1766018508163.png?ex=69449f51&is=69434dd1&hm=ab5288e707e33024d80a4d3d1118b76e7ab2385eee0776524265a7c96c4361db& [01:02:13] see I'm dumb and panicked when the alert popped up <3 [01:02:27] awh [01:02:46] Shout out Discord support person Kerby for actually LOOKING at the selfie and confirming I'm a grown ass adult [01:03:40] they looked at your selfie? [01:03:49] wait, how _did_ they get your selfie [01:04:04] On the bright side, because I react to intense anxiety by doing literally anything possible to distract myself I am now legally able to drive [01:04:13] through Discord's support portal [01:04:21] ah [01:04:37] i'm trying to figure out if their support documentation is lying or not [01:04:46] because "Discord and k-ID do not permanently store personal identity documents or your video selfies. Images of your identity documents and ID match selfies are deleted directly after your age group is confirmed, and the video selfie used for facial age estimation never leaves your device." [01:04:48] submitted a request saying that app was not even GIVING me the option to scan my government ID and they finally listened [01:05:21] yeah lmao I had to do it the old way, aka the way anyone not in Aus or the UK has to prove their age [01:06:06] has anyone reverse engineered the selfie thing yet [01:06:22] I'm not gonna share the selfie here for obvious privacy reasons but I had such a tired, dead-eyed expression bc I took it less than 20 minutes after waking up [01:06:28] lmeow [01:06:28] wdym? [01:06:31] like [01:06:46] if "the video selfie used for facial age estimation never leaves your device", isn't all the validation done client-side? [01:06:55] I think so? [01:07:06] I know some people have tricked the AI using video games and dog photos [01:07:37] dog photos LMFAO [01:07:41] plus I've seen news stories of kids using make-up to look older and trick the age estimation [01:07:59] this is how it feels: [01:08:00] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340088474262306867/1447639713682034900/IMG_1172.jpg?ex=6944388b&is=6942e70b&hm=f1b08f1ce923a1171820f504ee141aa51e9078afebc41ef14faeec271b66f718& [01:08:09] PLEASE [01:08:19] Yeah the whole thing is not amazingly implemented [01:08:38] K-ID's support people were quick with responses though. so that's something [01:08:47] huh [01:09:17] why am i tempted to predict that there'll be a data breach of an id verification company in the first semester of 2026 [01:09:24] oh almost definitely [01:09:39] it happened already when the UK ID verification stuff started [01:10:09] thank god proof of age cards are significantly less powerful than a drivers license [01:12:43] oh? [01:15:01] hmm [01:15:04] does irc count as social media [01:18:47] it's the lack of an expiration date, so it's harder to use them for fraud. Not impossible, but more time consuming and annoying [01:19:07] I opened a new bank account recently and the teller had to consult a coworker to make her system accept my ID [01:19:12] fun [01:20:16] https://www.vic.gov.au/proof-of-age-card [01:20:22] huh, where's the expiry? [01:33:50] What even is vibe coding [01:36:57] there is none! that's what trips up a lot of systems [01:40:19] coding exclusively w ai [01:40:22] ah [01:41:08] [[w:vibe coding]] [01:41:08] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vibe_coding [01:41:09]

[01:41:45] it's so dumb right? [01:42:02] yeah :p [01:42:24] wanna see something dumber? check out the requirements to create a my health record without medicare or dva [01:49:18] o h [07:03:25] EUGH [09:24:35] [1/2] hytale! [09:24:35] [2/2] https://hytalewiki.org/ [09:24:54] it really looks like they ripped it off LoL wiki [09:33:39] @toosplatched cuz it is hosted by weird gloop [09:33:46] who also runs the LoL wiki [09:33:51] and other cool wikis like... [09:33:55] inhales [09:35:02] runescape, old school runescape, runescape classic, runescape: dragonwilds, minecraft, brighter shores, league of legends, 2xko, warframe, vampire survivors, balatro, smite 2, and now hytale [09:35:27] it's also the first wiki to fork from wiki.gg (yes, wiki.gg, not fandom) to weird gloop [09:36:36] and yes, I recited them by heart lol [09:36:46] nerrrrrrrd /lh [09:40:33] haha [09:40:46] I like to mentally keep track of where each wiki is cuz why not [09:41:13] im aware [09:41:18] normally weird gloops have unique designs [09:42:00] if a wiki has a high quality vector design and seems like it got populated overnight, it's probably a weird gloop-hosted wiki 😎 [09:42:51] i mean all of them are right here lol https://meta.weirdgloop.org/w/Licensing [09:43:05] true [09:43:23] the 13 coolest wikis :gig [09:44:08] why is bright shores wiki not on the weird gloop main page 🤔 [09:44:43] it's a joke in rsw that they pretend that it doesn't exist [09:44:44] iirc [09:45:00] thiswikidoesnotexist.com [09:45:45] that's interesting [09:46:40] [1/2] That's interesting to hear. I wonder what wiki migration trends look like. I'd imagine a lot of fandom -> miraheze and fandom -> wiki.gg. A few miraheze -> wiki.gg, miraheze -> fandom, and wiki.gg -> miraheze. WG is highly selective but probably offers the best hosting among all the options for selected wikis, so they slowly gain wikis but seldomly ( [09:46:40] [2/2] never?) lose them. [09:47:31] you could write a paper about this- [09:48:12] I've (almost) never seen miraheze -> fandom or even wiki.gg -> miraheze [09:48:20] i did see a few miraheze -> wiki.gg [09:48:31] namely apico, star of providence, roboquest, and ultrakill [09:49:13] wiki.gg is probably the only host that tracks this information https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Wikis/list.json so it'll be hard to know except when we rely on JustLeafy's knowledge [09:49:22] WG never lost any wiki and mostly has a fix of forks from Fandom and a few originals [09:50:03] neat :3 [09:51:08] Ah that's good to know. I've seen a few wikis move back to Fandom in their infancy, but they are indeed rare. [09:51:43] [1/4] I think all the rs wikis (except dragonwilds) are forks from fandom [09:51:43] [2/4] mc, lol, warframe, vs, balatro, are all also forks from fandom [09:51:44] [3/4] hytale is forked from wiki.gg [09:51:44] [4/4] brighter shores, 2xko, and smite 2 are originals [09:51:47] still salty about that one time someone made a new fandom wiki for rain [09:52:42] I know there was someone there who was working on the fandom wiki for rain world without really knowing about the miraheze one [09:52:49] huh [09:52:49] and quit editing there due to their mental health [09:52:53] huh? [09:53:15] yeah [09:54:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1451150588351086663/1766051657526.png?ex=694520cd&is=6943cf4d&hm=5d397db8992d0b2edb88378c509002b3f2cd7b40c878ab3c1dc294dc9db86e5d& [09:54:33] ooooh [09:54:50] I thought you were talking about rain world lol [09:55:01] how did this fandom wiki get second when it's all "This section is in need of major improvement. Please help improve this article by editing it." perplexes me [09:55:04] oh lol [09:55:21] cuz rain world has an excellent wiki on miraheze [09:55:33] https://rainworld.miraheze.org [09:55:38] Probably just fandom's seo power. [09:55:45] yeah, that's likely it [09:55:47] still T_T though [09:57:15] Mhm. I was collecting information for something yesterday which required going through multiple wikis, and in each case the fandom wiki was above a better one. Why Warhammer needs so many wikis I don't know. [09:58:35] Miraheze places quite high now though, which is good. [11:42:22] Wiki Princeton [15:20:43] free content for one of those hour long random stuff video essayists [15:20:54] just go off about the wiki farm rabbit hole, migrations, history [15:20:59] history alone is content for a series [15:22:23] the wiki nation has a massive history [15:22:45] especially these past few years [15:23:02] and quite frankly, I think that's cool [15:23:45] Old school wiki culture is my hyperfixation [15:24:05] Back before fandom was dominant and only a handful of series and games had dedicated wikis [15:24:11] yeah [15:24:13] it's now the form [15:24:24] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXP4hxFNFw [15:24:56] Yeah it’s been really nice seeing the explosion of the last ~10 years [15:25:51] I do miss a bit when it seemed wikis were less uniform though. I feel like places like tfwiki wouldn’t have been the same if they came out later. [15:26:03] miraheze itself would be a long one [15:26:18] there were tales before I got here and there were definately tales in my time here [15:26:52] I feel like it hasn't even really happened much in the last 10 years [15:26:53] I mean come on, a steward getting whacked by trust and safety and then returning next year has got to be a pretty good hook [15:26:56] and arguably not even the last 5 [15:27:02] but perhaps the last 4 years [15:27:09] with the rise of wiki.gg [15:27:18] and ofc miraheze [15:27:34] rec*ption wikis [15:27:47] whole story of its own [15:28:01] though it's kind of... idk, I should carve out some periods [15:28:06] Equestripedia is about 8-9 years old and i moved it because i saw a lot of other wikis move from fandom. Maybe not to the same extent as now but i think the momentum was older [15:28:53] The Anti-Wikia-Alliance days [15:28:56] lets say early years, rise of void/doug and reception wikis, not to toot myself but I think late doug/raidarr set kind of a twilight era path going up to 2023, then the dark time, and then 2024 onward [15:29:11] reception wikis basically have their tale set in the second and third blocks [15:29:27] plenty to say around it but plenty that changed with miraheze as well in that time [15:29:43] and doug was definitely a figure who changed how things were done at the community level [15:29:52] “The Fall of ShoutWiki” [15:29:59] there's also quite a bit of tech history which loosely correlates although I'm less savvy about that stuff [15:30:33] the primary leaders/drivers in tech over time I would say have been John, Agent and CA [15:31:22] in terms of setting approach with tech in general, although tech has often had people just more or less doing their own thing [15:31:52] polandball would also be its own tale as its had a storied existence on and off miraheze [15:32:01] polcompball particularly [15:53:33] I wouldn't be nearly as salty if they hadn't seemingly made it as an excuse to deadname. [19:36:04] I'm sure that's against Fandom ToU [19:41:20] The real people whom the wiki deadnamed reported it to Fandom and eventually Fandom removed the deadnames, but not the wiki itself. [19:50:02] [1/2] @rodejong https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/443926951292567562/1451181606902693939 [19:50:02] [2/2] hold up did this guy literally just vandalized wikis from like 2008(?) to right now? That’s crazy! [20:08:07] Ye [20:08:34] I’m surprised anyone has the time to do that…how do people know it’s from them tho [20:10:16] Some people are very sad [20:10:55] Some people will put a lot of effort into being a pain in the arse too [20:11:11] They really should consider putting the effort into something constructive [20:12:01] Yeah, instead of harassing people who makes stuff and gets stuff reverted [20:12:30] I wonder is there any lta that has “turned good” or is gone forever? [20:15:10] There's some we haven't seen for a while [20:15:41] don't think we've had any turn good [20:15:57] Why was I pinged? And Why was CVT pinged? [20:16:23] Which wiki are we talking about? [20:16:33] CVT wasn't pinged [20:16:39] It's a link to the CVT channel [20:17:04] But someone was reacting surprised to a message you made in the CVT channel @rodejong [20:17:13] You can search discord messages that pings you [20:17:27] Ye, I didn’t think someone was that sad [20:17:44] [1/2] To sabotage people from like what [20:17:45] [2/2] Over 16 years [20:18:00] There's not a lot that would surprise me tbh [20:18:13] Well I’m new in the wiki space so [20:18:55] [1/2] Wait [20:18:55] [2/2] I thought ltas or abusers shouldn’t get recognized [20:19:11] Why are they suddenly recognized [20:19:16] And have their own talk pages [20:19:31] Wouldn’t this a cause for them to return? [20:19:49] you want their MO to be well known [20:19:50] [1/2] Oh haha. I thought it was a CVT ping, [20:19:50] [2/2] But it's a link. [20:19:52] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Wikinger [20:20:00] especially true for a huge platform like wikipedia [20:20:14] Yeah. It's a user with a very long history. 213 sock puppets [20:20:30] It depends [20:20:51] Sometimes giving them attention is bad [20:20:55] Sometimes not [20:21:16] You shouldn't feed the trolls. But you can mark them so you know what you are looking for in abusers [20:21:29] [1/2] I suppose it’s to say that [20:21:29] [2/2] “Hey other wiki host volunteers/wiki communities this guy is sad and will try to break your wiki(s)” right? [20:22:11] how do you identify someone without knowing how to identify them [20:22:17] 200+ emails just to sabotage…could honestly used the effort for something actually useful [20:22:32] When I see someone vandalising in a special way, I can recognise them, and compare with LTAs who are documented already [20:22:59] Basically a signature? [20:23:02] Interesting [20:23:23] A profile rather [20:25:55] [1/5] The rare few that do eventually reform are : [20:25:56]