[00:31:12] Isn’t there any other wiki reviewers tho [00:38:19] There are, but guessing from this announcement https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1447670105176805389, there's probably less on hand rn, so NA is tryna make sure the requests don't pile up too much [00:39:09] [1/2] Yeah [00:39:09] [2/2] I actually do most of my online communication on Discord, because I prefer asynchronous communication that can notify me if I am needed [00:40:15] Doing on a wiki website? No thanks, there’s no app, there’s no notifications on phone, and irc is also not that easy and straight forward to use personally [00:40:39] (Pretty sure irc doesn’t have dark mode so even more of a turn off for me [00:42:22] https://files.catbox.moe/2qdfbd.png [00:43:08] why are you in none of the mediawiki channels lol [00:43:19] i'm in #wikimedia-kawaii [00:43:36] [1/2] those are all of the IRC channels I'm in lmao [00:43:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1451374373519753276/image.png?ex=6945f137&is=69449fb7&hm=a904f1eb1425a94d2ba2e6e405d722cff99ecebae4d6fc938a2ce7c22c50e6dc& [00:43:58] maybe I should use IRC more often [00:44:04] same here [00:45:00] Why irc then discord hmm [00:45:11] Since you guys are using it [00:45:37] i don't get "This channel is marked as age-restricted because it contains adult content. Do you want to verify your age group to access this channel?" on irc yet [00:46:54] Oh alright [00:47:02] Yes, Ro (the librarian) and JPH2 handle the majority, along with our AI review tool. [00:47:37] We've got the unfortunate but positive problem of being so popular that the regular reviewers + our backup reviewers usually aren't enough to keep on top of the number of requests we get. [00:48:06] Everyone is using AI nowdays…and most of the time it’s doing bad [00:48:54] How many days you want people to wait for their requests [00:49:01] I mean 7 days isn’t that bad [00:49:15] Over seven though…yeah I think that’d worse [00:49:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340088474262306867/1447639713682034900/IMG_1172.jpg?ex=69458a0b&is=6944388b&hm=049edc70169f5bd2bf0b7cb36cb95b5e63c23eb4735741ad69a6dd133f2ee2d7& [00:53:38] [1/5] Yeah, it wouldn't be our first choice, but as a volunteer-only organization our options were: [00:53:39] [2/5] * augment to the least degree possible w/ AI [00:53:39] [3/5] * have folks wait months for request review [00:53:39] [4/5] * automatically approve any and all requests (which isn't going to happen) [00:53:40] [5/5] * magic up a bold new set of volunteers to keep requests under control (extremely difficult to do, tried and failed a few different ways) [00:54:43] We get people screaming bloody murder at 1-2 days. Historically we've aimed for 2-3 days, but that hasn't always come to pass. [00:55:38] Oh alright [00:55:40] how many people scream bloody murder during holidays i wonder [00:55:59] What about having shifts or quotas, letting someone do like 5-10 requests per day [00:56:10] I don’t think it takes over 30 minutes [00:56:17] Unless I am wrong [00:56:22] i mean, i'd imagine that people are doing when they feel like it lol [00:56:23] heh [00:56:32] Yeah, doesn't really work like that, it'd be nice if it could [00:56:40] and obviously, it's not a great thing to _force_ people to do it [00:56:50] Fair enough [00:57:36] Short version: despite the role being fairly simple, it's a high-judgement activity and it's mentally/emotionally draining to do at scale. It's hard for most reviewers to fit in more than 15-20 in a day [00:58:02] i sent a (unrelated to miraheze) email, and got "Please be mindful we are closing to day for two weeks and most staff have started their holiday, therefore it may take some time for them to respond. We re open on January 5." [00:58:10] in my case, i'll silently go into waiting room mode ig lol [00:58:20] I wonder is it possible to have the wiki reviewer more appealing to people (making it look fun to do), and they’ll be trained before becoming one [00:58:53] The impatience, it is intense. So many children on holiday that want their wiki RIGHT NOW, with accompanying swears to boot [00:59:03] at miraheze volume without help it easily exceeded 10 days [00:59:03] Well unless they are jobless, can see this takes high judgement because you don’t want to accidentally make a wiki that allows csam content [00:59:07] Also takes a lottt of reading [00:59:15] i'd be funny if we auto-declined those who swore [00:59:48] Damn, they have no chill these days… [00:59:52] The @Wiki Reviewers team can attest, we get some... colorful language from unhappy requesters from time to time. [00:59:59] why did you ping everyone [01:00:12] But on average most people are pretty sweet about it. [01:00:13] that's not everyone, this is, @everyon [01:00:23] well, every wiki reviewer lol [01:00:26] You don’t want to finish that- [01:00:26] i am reminded of this one time [01:00:29] In case the team wanted to chime in with their happy/horror stories. 😄 [01:00:29] lemme go pull up history [01:00:39] @everypony [01:00:55] ah, fair ^_^ [01:01:03] We have M A N Y [01:01:08] What colorful language do you get on requests… [01:01:13] Death threats? [01:01:25] Racism? [01:01:28] I think there was at least one or two that crashed out to that extent over time [01:01:43] read this: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1282690672498835469 [01:01:52] Oh easy on both counts, though it's not every day. [01:02:08] although what I slapped today was someone who crashed out and got their toys taken away post approval and have become an occasional lta ever since [01:02:28] [1/2] Yeah, this is the base-grade crashout [01:02:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1451379124995096656/image.png?ex=6945f5a4&is=6944a424&hm=ec0aa44664ff820efeb91f13cd8dbc17a29b231a55014cf5c6a30ee458cbf03d& [01:02:38] Real [01:02:39] The inventive ones are kinda fun [01:02:47] we got a rape threat once, but iirc that wasn't WR related [01:03:11] As expected any position will lead to backlash by some not so nice people [01:03:19] it is the duty of every proactive volunteer to have someone crash out over them specifically [01:03:22] 💀 [01:03:25] I've had it, NA has had it, others have had it [01:03:42] i should do my job more [01:03:43] I’ve worked as discord mod in some server and got the same result [01:03:49] i haven't had a crashout directed at me [01:03:52] that's the mod life exactly [01:03:58] People not happy of me being a mod for whatever reason, have some problems with judgement [01:03:59] I have been called 'chief nazi' more than once for not approving someone's pro-fascism/supremacist project [01:04:01] tech is uuuuusually fairly insulated [01:04:04] And occasionally insults to my face [01:04:23] What’s the reason for rejection lol [01:04:29] my favorite is mr nonci with his raidarr twix complete with images of twix and everything [01:04:35] The odder ones was something like 'you are lesser than the scum on the bottom of a week-old cabbage' [01:04:53] Points for creativity, at least [01:04:59] Huh, what does tech look like.. [01:05:05] I've had some funny ones from reception wiki space as well [01:05:13] i haven't had a crashout interestingly [01:05:23] Probably not following content guidelines I'd bet lol [01:05:33] Working behind the scenes and not facing any insults [01:05:38] 1000% [01:05:41] i know right? fairly chill [01:05:45] That's kinda funny tbh [01:05:59] Gg… [01:06:11] If only people were more reasonable [01:06:23] if only... [01:06:30] I sometimes wonder if some of the old dormant ltas are getting along better now [01:06:39] Easier said than done bahaha [01:06:40] I'm especially curious about the italian one but others as well [01:06:50] True [01:06:58] Italian brainrot? [01:07:08] nope, before brainrot even became a thing [01:07:23] Oh thank god [01:07:27] it was an italian uncyclopedia type wiki and they had a regular repeat troll who went off in all caps and would make funny pages about volunteers sometimes [01:07:42] raidarr twix, I wish I saved that page [01:07:44] I am getting tired of hearing tung tung tung tung sahur every 3 hours [01:08:14] I thought there was sort of audit logs that lets you see deleted pages [01:08:18] At least vandals like that are funny lol [01:08:21] View history thing [01:08:32] Yeah, makes the day at least lighter [01:08:32] Special:Undelete, Special:Log [01:08:43] don't remember when or where that went exactly and haven't been bothered enough to look [01:08:51] just a little nostalgic sometimes [01:08:54] why twix? [01:08:55] the hell is their pfp [01:08:59] i thought it was twink lol [01:09:02] I do not have a bloody clue [01:09:10] it was literally twix with images of twix bars and everything [01:09:14] absolutely bizarre [01:09:14] Cringe teenager I think [01:09:28] Then again, my username is fearless and my pfp is a gun [01:09:32] Miraheze merch idea, candy bars named after different volunteers /j [01:09:37] those sure are nipple piercings [01:09:55] they used to request support in #general with screenshots of their wiki, complete with gay furry porn [01:10:08] sobbing [01:10:16] Delightful, just got an encouragement to self-harm. That's an account lock for you, buddy. [01:10:27] you gotta do better than that smh [01:10:44] [1/5] ``` [01:10:45] [2/5] wtf bro [01:10:45] [3/5] I don't wanna be hard while trying to bugfix a mediawiki issue on my wiki [01:10:45] [4/5] please for the love of god spoil that [01:10:46] [5/5] ``` [01:10:46] rip in the dust for that one [01:10:56] oh yeah that one had to be told off [01:11:03] in fact I think that was a whole thing [01:11:05] Uff, yeah [01:11:08] That reminds me of an ex-admin I had once met on this platform, that guy used to say kys to people, even me [01:11:20] Oi what, why isn’t that automodded [01:11:36] it means keep yourself safe! trust my misinformation [01:11:46] Haha nice [01:11:57] they're such a Nice fellow [01:12:01] kiss yourself 😍 [01:12:34] It does get flagged for mod review, it just doesn't get auto-blocked if it's within a larger context, IIRC [01:13:03] Might revisit that if it becomes a problem, but thankfully our discord community is reasonably well-behaved [01:13:28] someone who sprinkles that down liberally would have a small case of the disappearance shortly [01:13:34] And the people aren't afraid to ping mods on anyone who isn't well behaved [01:13:42] [1/2] Anyway, he also was in deeper trouble then just that, got banned off server for not great art about children, I’ll keep it at that [01:13:43] [2/2] Pretty sure those who say kys is mentally bad themselves [01:14:01] oh yeah, its not something reasonable people tend to say [01:14:31] I've been in servers people just complain about mods not instantly seeing things that were posted and break rules instead of pinging the mods 😭 [01:14:39] kill your self-hatred <3 [01:14:56] yea really [01:15:12] Usually automod filter on servers i frequent has that, plus some nsfw words, plus racism words like n word, along racist words in other languages because people try to bypass the filter [01:15:32] miraheze should do a Wikipedia and add a big banner that covers half of the wiki content asking for donation [01:15:38] it's gonna 100% work [01:15:50] how do we tell them [01:16:02] do a fandom aswell and say "we saw a overwelmighly positive feedback" [01:16:22] [1/3] ^^^ this [01:16:22] [2/3] They don’t make tickets too [01:16:23] [3/3] How the fuck the mods are supposed to know, they aren’t no lifers [01:16:56] [1/2] YEAH [01:16:57] [2/2] Like help them help you at least a little 😭 [01:17:07] I’ve worked as discord server managed and announced this many times yet zero tickets gets made for it [01:17:14] No pings - radio silence [01:17:17] they should be ai bots that say "Hello, I have banned the user for breaking the the titan of ics rules." [01:17:30] even a gender ago, people just pinged mods when there's rule-breaking content [01:17:37] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301431783677759499/1358209992360198194/attachment-66.gif [01:17:49] [1/2] Nono it should cover all the content [01:17:50] [2/2] No more wiki only begging for money [01:17:56] ransomware [01:18:11] Daniel [01:18:16] :beebo_true: [01:18:24] *can we change that to wikiaware [01:19:02] finally, a competitor to rensenware [01:19:05] Oh I just got the new utdr newsletter hell yeah [01:19:09] Real [01:19:14] Time to go read that [01:20:50] Seend [01:20:51] @notaracham @raidarr do you guys see people complaining about stuff not getting moderated but doesn’t make an effort to bring it to you guys attention? [01:22:15] Not a problem for us, our community knows what to do and when [01:22:39] [1/2] Fair enough [01:22:39] [2/2] Wiki servers always have reasonable people most of the time so… [01:22:52] Unless they’re a wiki requester [01:23:00] i feel like wiki folx like being informed on stuff lol [01:23:11] do you guys remember the fandom miraheze wiki [01:23:29] Miraheze had a fandom wiki? [01:23:33] no [01:23:39] it's the latter [01:23:44] wiki about miraheze on fandom? [01:23:49] the one with headcanons about agent and w/e? [01:23:50] ya [01:23:58] wait it had those lmao [01:24:03] i never read those [01:24:04] maybe i'm misremembering [01:24:17] I have a similar memory of things [01:24:29] [1/2] as i am painfully aware of [01:24:29]