[00:40:28] [1/2] how in the shit is celeste similar to papers please [00:40:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1460795671220064429/Screenshot_2026-01-13_193725.png?ex=6968377c&is=6966e5fc&hm=40521ade91d46a37b147b91cfd5b587373b8e162b40ca4c74496ec680948669b& [00:40:33] what is steam smoking [00:43:20] My bet is a lot of people play both those games?? Idk [01:14:32] I can see the overlap [02:37:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1460825204086407260/Untitled48_20260114133056.png?ex=696852fd&is=6967017d&hm=590e76c4b62a8f6f454ecc1ce3136bfa866ffdab1efe0946731ccd053d0c7c2f& [03:37:36] [1/2] Mine was like that when I installed a bad Windows 10 update, and it was so bad that I had to load my Windows 10 installation disk. I went to their and uninstalled the bad update, which caused GIMP, Waterfox, and some program shortcuts and executables to simply vanish. After uninstalling it, everything's back to normal, since my computer was super slow a [03:37:36] [2/2] nd the taskbar didn't even want to load when I had said update installed. [03:54:05] thats just windows [03:54:41] Windows being Windows. [03:57:28] try booting into safe mode? [03:59:34] oh its been fixed. just took a bit to start up [04:00:13] Nice [04:01:11] https://tenor.com/view/lapwing-vrchat-hash-pog-poggers-gif-8637199513976746555 [04:09:05] [1/2] 1. Fandom bad [04:09:06] [2/2] 2. Sleep good [04:10:06] [1/2] 1: Yes. [04:10:06] [2/2] 2: Sleep. [04:26:03] Sleep whenever your body feels tired [04:28:21] 3: If not tired, wiki onward [04:29:38] Fandom going lower and lower than before for what they've done yesterday [04:29:47] More layoffs of wiki specialists [04:30:17] Yeah I saw that [04:35:04] Fandom's shooting themselves in the foot much as Roblox is with their awful chat update to ward off pedophiles. Yet... that made it 20+ times worse, since they made it a five-star buffet for them. I kid you not! 😭 [04:59:04] eep.... [09:32:50] Yeah, I agree too because adults can’t intervene when an pedo uses an child’s account by convincing a child and only letting children talk with each other, this makes it way worse for the roblox platform [09:34:10] Why did they lay of more wiki specialists (also what even wiki specs?) [09:34:24] greed [10:00:45] I'm assuming theirs some financial difficulties going on over there to be laying off so many people [10:00:58] Private Investment can only do so much 😅 [10:01:23] _just my opinion though, I don't know anything that would suggest that_ [14:37:18] probably weighed things and figure they can get away without the specialists using a more one size fits all approach with remaining staff [14:37:46] ` meows at everyone ` [14:37:58] meows back [14:38:39] i wonder how reliable meowing is for identifying tcatgirls online [14:38:53] @blankeclair i need you to conduct a scientific survey [14:59:07] they're probably like the typical tech company: lay off to make move for A-fucking-I [14:59:45] funny how Fandom's desires (as a corporation), especially these past few days, almost COMPLETELY contradicts wiki culture 😭 [15:00:48] me when the inherently capitalist company conflicts with its inherently socialist product [15:02:36] also me when I associate wiki culture with "solarpunk" values [15:04:32] if AI can pretend to do it and things aren't immediately on fire, why not [15:05:06] AI can't ever build good and original wikis like wiki specialists do [15:06:09] MiraGPT [15:06:56] I think my wiki is not very wiki-culture-y [15:18:58] nonsense [15:19:15] it’s a wiki isn’t it [15:19:32] yeah if it's a wiki, it has wiki culture [15:19:47] unless if you're like the only one making it [15:20:49] Only in software. The writers are paid creative writer freelancers and the system is "The owner is Imperator Aeternalis and stuff" [15:31:15] no, but if it makes the ad money and doesn't blow up, it's good from a corporate persrpective. History is littered with quality being sacrificed in the name of mass production that people just accept [15:31:48] I would not be surprised if fandom wants to go into a model of leeching from the rest of the net to just generate headlines and content about media and obsoleting the need for wiki communities entirely [15:32:16] or to generate dogshit wikis [15:32:25] I would very much hope this fails but I would also not totally discount it if it happened and they kept it going [15:32:40] and yeah, basically that [15:33:10] but these days there are literally sites all over the place that generate arbitrary search terms as page titles specifically to show up in search and get that traffic revenue [15:33:49] it would be a wet dream for fandom I'm sure to just generate common search queries as articles on the fly for media with a wiki theme and use market dominance to slide in on top of results [15:34:30] for projects like this, sprinkling in wiki-style links to other queries or just whatever promotional material they want and can get more revenue from would be trivial to do [15:35:02] dead internet realized, welcome to 2026, though this started a few years ago [15:45:45] Hopefully Fandom's wiki commuties will move to a better farm soon [15:56:35] I still have a lot of wikis that I care about that are still on Fandom sadly, but I'll see if I can get a few to switch [16:00:14] I think the problem is that Fandoms core product is no longer their wikis - it's selling user data to inform advertisements. [16:01:38] [1/2] The wiki aspect is simply a way for them to collect this data; they don't care whether the experience is great or, whether it's just sufficient that they can track intent. [16:01:38] [2/2] Not to mention, they made close to 30m last year from Fanatical alone - is there really any incentive for them to improve the wiki product? [16:06:36] no [16:06:44] and you wanna know what's even crazier? [16:08:08] Fandom might as well die or at least sell or split off the wiki product at this point [16:08:26] next step is locking communication behind a pay wall [16:09:00] with all the shit that they're doing, I'm surprised they didn't paywall anything or lock something behind a subscription [16:09:16] or add something that requires a subscription [16:09:35] yet [16:11:45] To adopt wikis you have to pay their monthly subscription [16:12:09] they kicked the only two people handling wiki adoptions [16:12:59] They're gonna replace them with AI, aren't they? [16:13:35] wouldn't be surprised [17:03:21] does someone have that map of relationships between wiki farms handy [17:03:44] tropical -> orain -> miraheze -> oasis etc [17:13:05] The only one I would have most knowledge of is the tree of succession leading up to MH sadly [17:15:28] the miraheze bloodline [17:38:58] Which is on meta as “Miraheze history” [17:39:05] Yep [18:42:43] wow we didnt have verbose on here? [18:43:41] for any other sillies who had to look this up: this means there werent notices about flag (permission) changes [18:51:02] Question, how did you add those buttons? is there a specific thing we need to do or [18:54:30] verbose flag? mmm i, a individual of the homo sapiens species of animals in this circumstance will take advantage of the collection of neurons, glial cells, neural stem cells, and blood vessels weighing approximately 1.3 kilograms within the skull in order to think about what this verbose flag's meaning is [19:17:17] jjst [19:17:20] *hust [19:17:21] JUST [19:17:26] (good god) [19:17:32] AHEM from the top [19:17:42] just give em the class you see in the source code [19:51:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1461085280831406180/image.png?ex=69694534&is=6967f3b4&hm=8236733ca2bcdc3682d8ec4e54dc2fff2574a43143bb30ab2225c5e74e6d6bd3& [19:51:26] Fuck Fandom [19:52:32] Must of needed the additional profit from ads instead of payroll costs [19:52:50] guess this was all the last straw for you ei [19:52:56] I recall you've been reasonably neutral to date [19:54:09] What? [19:54:10] I mean, my relationship with the platform is rather complicated [19:54:33] Fandom = gilded feces [19:54:33] is it another love-hate type deal [19:54:38] of course, I love the wiki communities there and the talented editors who are still there [19:54:45] called it [19:54:53] but I absolutely despise what Fandom has been doing [19:54:57] well that's a very particular relationship [19:55:11] by all means I'm sure by and large the communities are just fine [19:55:13] always have been [19:55:15] The commuties are good but they do not seem to relize how bad Fandom is [19:55:28] many no doubt do but lack much means to change it [19:55:29] i'll miss kimberton [19:55:34] or aren't aware, etc [19:55:41] Or they seem to be kinda "stuck" with chains of legacy code [19:55:44] or just don't have the thought or resources to fork [19:55:53] Miraheze [19:55:59] fandom also just goes out of its way to make it harder so it is a real commitment [19:56:10] miraheze side you can just put in for dumps, move, import [19:56:18] do i need to build the megaautomated forkinator [19:56:27] shut down ops then and there or transition any way you want [19:57:15] [1/3] yeah, that's my stance, it's not hard to understand [19:57:15] [2/3] I don't like Fandom [19:57:15] [3/3] But I like the communities that are still "stuck" there (aka ones that don't have a non-Fandom counterpart) [19:58:01] NGL but not sad to see Kimberton go she was rude AF anytime I opened a support ticket. [19:58:10] And of course, I like and edit non-Fandom wikis more if they exist [19:58:13] But also don't think Perkins Miller can be counted since he left [19:58:14] I've never found it fair to necessarily judge a community by its host, especially if that's just how it started [19:58:34] exactly [19:58:36] I know they used to outright ban wiki admins who even slightly mentioned migration, removed any mention of migration and gave adminship to fandom loyalists [19:58:40] Idk if they still do [19:58:51] there's at least still policies to that effect [19:59:10] bottom line its made very hard/virtually impossible to move on purpose [19:59:20] for example, since rain world wiki has an excellent wiki on miraheze, I'd only edit that wiki if it was a wiki I edit [19:59:45] it also has a fandom wiki, but it's objectively inferior in every metric, no reason to edit it at all [19:59:50] very hard indeed if your community exists solely on-wiki [20:00:09] i hope they dont lock off the APIs necessary for archiving their wikis [20:00:16] Vendor lock in is 99% of the reason communities don't fork ig [20:00:17] if they do it's gonna be so joever [20:00:27] christ [20:00:35] have your commuty be Discord based comms not Wiki-side comms - Fandom can do jack if you have all comms on discord [20:00:41] but something like escape from tarkov still only has a fandom wiki unfortunately, so if I want to edit that wiki, I wouldn't mind editing that fandom wiki [20:00:52] I'm almost surprised they're still accessible tbh [20:00:53] but the moment they move away from fandom, I'll support and edit the forked version [20:01:04] I wonder if I’m still IP banned globally on Fandom (all I literally did was create a global account there) [20:01:10] 9,99 a month membership :) [20:01:11] I don't really like all community stuff going to discord though it is useful insurance in fandom's case [20:01:49] I backup all of the Fandom wikis I admin through Special:Statistics, in case if any "doomsday scenario" happens [20:01:51] I would prefer Discord based that can stop Fandom forcing a wiki to stay ( they can aways do on wiki comms if they move off) [20:02:17] i wouldnt edit the wiki because the game is made by nazis but that works too [20:02:23] I've been on and off making little backups of ones I particularly like and refer to for creative projects [20:02:45] Huh [20:02:45] (it's the first example of a very popular wiki only on fandom that I thought of, but point stands) [20:03:18] good, good [20:03:26] owners of eft's development company are known supporters of the russian war against ukraine [20:03:44] Update: I’m not, and they have seemingly scrubbed any log entry remotely associated to it as well [20:03:45] I've also been the one in a few spaces to discourage starting off on fandom for long term reasons [20:04:02] it still comes up basically first whenever someone wants to make a wiki like that [20:04:19] im not surprised [20:04:40] i think we need to start pushing our SEO at some point [20:05:02] they quite literally got the guys who made aks to give them guns to record sounds [20:05:17] We will win a SEO war with Fandom, they have people that are dedicated to tuning their SEO [20:05:22] https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1oywqrt/escape_from_tarkov_boss_nikita_shooting_side_by/ [20:05:43] well, shit, lets do the same [20:06:15] [1/2] I was globally blocked for more than a year over me advertising the fork of a wiki I admin on an alt [20:06:15] [2/2] Thankfully, I appealed much later and they unblocked me😅 [20:06:21] Our payment methods are right there Points. [20:06:27] we dont need all our wikis to shine, we just need "where can i make wiki" show us [20:06:43] CA has pretty much done the best we can and that is a pretty good job as it is, I believe [20:07:01] All I did was create an account, I didnt even do anything with it 😂 [20:07:05] is fruit ever really squeezed until you use the hydraulic press [20:07:29] what I would say is we could use a group of sorts that can really dig into stuff like our meta presentation and work on little overhauls be it to improve seo or clarity or whatnot [20:07:44] basically a more concerted effort of what Harej and I and others have done on our own over time [20:08:33] I know 'committee' can be a scary word but what I'm saying is basically that and if it's a group of people with a space dedicated to doing it that meet relatively regularly even async, it could be useful [20:08:47] agreed [20:21:30] Oof [20:21:42] I think you had a VPN on by any chance? [20:33:36] Nah [20:53:22] [1/2] Cute Discord blobs [20:53:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1461100906320760898/Screenshot_from_2026-01-14_20-53-00.png?ex=696953c2&is=69680242&hm=48273649031f093175048d4a54c6892041b99afd4e1c7332b0d0e62112d8e4ac& [22:17:36] They fired Lady Lostris too :( [22:17:47] Yeah [22:17:50] Shame [22:17:53] What will even happen to the Technical Blogs? They were an awesome part of Fandom [22:32:39] bit of a PHP GD question here and I was wondering if anyone could help [22:33:59] I have a set of named folders, each containing GIF files of numbers 0-9. the problem is that the dimensions of the digits differ folder to folder [22:35:09] so I need to take the input (a set of numbers) and use GD to stick all the images next to each other and output a gif file with that same set of numbers [22:36:25] the problem is I can’t just hardcode the dimensions because they’re gonna be different depending on the character set, I need to look at, say, 0.gif and get the dimensions of the final image based off that [22:36:34] yes I am making a hit counter [22:36:40] no you cannot stop me [22:43:04] TOTS??? [22:43:41] huh [22:43:47] is this a reference I don’t get :P [22:44:05] HeyTots [22:44:17] yeah I [22:44:22] I got nothing :P [22:45:29] A name on that list [22:53:01] ohhhhhh [22:53:09] you are replying to the wrong message :P [22:57:45] Yeahz why [22:58:38] lol yup [22:58:46] [1/2] I picked just 7 so I am not overwalmed [22:58:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1461132464478097626/Screenshot_from_2026-01-14_22-56-17.png?ex=69697126&is=69681fa6&hm=f91c31033fded2b707e7a74ffc9e6247b68377d7faa14428b71f640e7b6f9aef& [22:59:03] Next set, lofi plants or cherry blossom? [23:00:38] Cherry blosson [23:05:27] this is so much more dramatic than it has to be [23:05:29]