[00:00:00] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> That [[RFP]] thing [00:00:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RFP [00:00:01] [00:00:12] Your doomsday AI scenario is noted, but it is not an issue, the AI quite literally cannot touch anything beyond a wiki request [00:00:17] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> double bot'd [00:00:21] you go here [00:00:27] In your case we would definitely like to see more positive contributions in our space. [00:00:28] and click the corresponding button [00:00:41] Nebula and Amelia have been around here for a while. [00:00:53] the problem is not “ai will kill us all” [00:00:55] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to pskyechology> You don't even know who I am lol [00:01:03] exactly [00:01:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355364404459470952/1418452979874267309/punch.gif [00:01:29] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> oh derp yeah that makes sense [00:01:31] do tell me more about positive contributions please :D [00:01:46] the problem is “a ton of your target audience, myself included, have ethical and moral objections to the use of generative AI and it can and will drive people off your platform” [00:01:51] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I thought you were saying that like you knew who I was on Miraheze lmao [00:02:02] they’re literally a steward :P [00:02:04] mostly just help out where you can [00:02:11] do i count [00:02:18] We’ve been using for about yearish give or take so [00:02:25] wait fuck I read that as your contributions [00:02:26] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Be a good person give hugs and lemonade to everyone [00:02:37] lol [00:02:39] Skye/Zppix aren't stewards, to be clear. 🙂 [00:02:53] thanks for the promotion, I'm really killing it out here [00:03:00] how long you’ve been using it doesn’t solve any of the problems I’m bringing up [00:03:03] skye is actual evil volunteer that will explode miraheze and run away [00:03:04] No thank you I like what sanity I have left 😂 [00:03:23] awh but you love telling the baddies to go where the sun dont shine [00:03:26] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> do the stewards ever ward their stews from other stewards? [00:03:45] okay i need to stop procrastinating on stuff farewell 4 now [00:03:47] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> And does Miraheze have a steward named Stuart? [00:04:20] [1/5] To give some insider context: [00:04:20] [2/5]  We went from roughly 100 requests a week to 100 requests a day* [00:04:21] [3/5] * We only have about 2 active WRs as mentioned before, and they can barely keep up on the workload even with AI assistance [00:04:21] [4/5] * If we wanted to decommission the AI, we'd need minimum 8, more likely 10 active wiki reviewers [00:04:21] [5/5] * Wiki reviewer is 100% among the highest roles for burnout we have, making hitting that number extremely difficult [00:04:27] the problem is that, as a platform that claims and clearly wants to foster the independent internet, you are using generative AI, a sworn enemy of the independent internet [00:04:50] I would absolutely love to be able to be rid of it. Right now, that's not realistic. [00:04:51] I am not saying “decommission it right now” because that would be dumb and/or stupid [00:05:01] I’m saying strive to get rid of it eventually [00:05:08] got it [00:05:09] [1/2] It does serve as a counterpoint to your argument about people leaving because of it though. [00:05:09] [2/2] It's definitely not an ideal scenario, but if it saves human hours that can go towards actual important stuff then it's a temporary fix. [00:05:14] fair enough [00:05:24] I don't think anyone here wants to keep it long-term. [00:05:26] i would LOVE to not have to deal with all of that shit [00:05:42] i would yeet that shit out so fast [00:05:43] are there any requirements, though [00:05:58] [[WR]] [00:05:58] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WR [00:05:59] [00:05:59] Regarding the in-house model, we are working on that as well, but there's some practical limitations on 'how reliable we can get it with the hardware we have'. Working on that as well as I don't like giving big LLM any money [00:06:05] yeah I would love to help out with the reviewing process [00:06:06] It's just that currently it's a necessary evil while reviewers are scarce, as I understand it. [00:06:08] My opinion of it is I would not mind either way if it stays or goes, its proven to beneficial overall [00:06:12] why does wikibot [00:06:17] Can we Kill it [00:06:42] I’m really burnt out currently but I’ll maybe put in an RfP once I feel a bit better [00:06:56] Sometimes there's one, sometimes two. If you got rid of one then by the power of bad luck the other one would stop responding. [00:07:30] it’s beneficial for us, sure, but not for… numerous other things [00:07:48] [1/4] - environment [00:07:49] [2/4] - small web [00:07:49] [3/4] - eating the rich [00:07:49] [4/4] …I could go on [00:07:52] but I digress [00:07:57] I believe you can react to @Wiki-Bot’s message with a 🗑️ and it will delete the message [00:08:03] they’re siblings [00:08:09] or lovers [00:08:13] or something [00:08:24] Miraheze discord bot polycule [00:08:46] why not bo- [00:09:06] hi Claire I’m having a good day too [00:09:12] :P [00:09:44] Hey buddy remove it noow [00:10:33] oh [00:10:40] well I hope you feel better soon <3 [00:10:44] just remember [00:10:54] you’re amazing and deserve to be loved <3 [00:11:47] wm-bot is the one that deserves the slaughter more than wiki-bot [00:12:14] these damn clankers pmo [00:12:24] Don't be mean to wiki-bot, it's trying its best [00:12:43] (Also it's not an LLM, it's an old fashioned run of the mill read and respond to set inputs kinda bot) [00:13:02] the funny thing about saying john miraheze is that one of Miraheze's co-founders is [[User:John]] [00:13:02] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:John [00:13:09] [00:13:23] Wiki bot is slower to do these things [00:13:31] but it's better [00:13:38] i really dislike how it's mascot is ai tbh [00:13:38] dont ask john miraheze what he did on wikipedia [00:13:39] every day, i now think of my depression or SI :D [00:13:53] there are instances of wm-bot getting the link wrong whereas wiki-bot works perfectly [00:14:06] Let's kill wm-bot then [00:14:11] wm bot is silly because it only activates here for discord users [00:14:23] wm-bot is necessary for irc users though [00:14:32] well just remember that you’re beautiful and we’d all miss you dearly [00:14:33] jumpscare [00:14:34] <3 [00:14:36] Oh my gosbeuh [00:14:43] more deserving of being killed but still not killable [00:14:51] bart i can see that [00:15:10] Good [00:15:34] hmm the wiki about a normal thing that should be a clear-cut yes vs the wiki about something obviously harmful [00:16:01] but but it's rad [00:16:11] Everyone loves toothpaste [00:16:11] let's 🗑️ skye imo [00:16:18] specifically with Orange [00:16:21] No toothpaste wiki, go about your business folks [00:16:23] wtf!!!!!! [00:16:34] who is this sky anyway [00:16:52] Hey skye guess what skye guess what [00:17:00] skye? [00:17:34] * chrs waves at the discord [00:17:47] hello chrs [00:18:03] <_chrs_> waves at Skye from the discord [00:18:10] ok that's illegal [00:18:19] 👋 [00:19:03] 👋 [00:19:13] Hey Skye WIKI ⚖️ guess what [00:19:18] [1/2] What if it was all just a dream [00:19:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462602284901990533/IMG_1030.png?ex=696eca06&is=696d7886&hm=caa97f6280b7cc9d5cb37747fa6ea0ab452fff04c8853c9685cdb5d2455080f4& [00:19:33] guess what Skye WIKI ⚖️ [00:19:39] what [00:19:46] I like trains [00:19:50] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358085797385076736/376908733634183168/2017-10-28_23-53-10.gif [00:19:58] choo choo [00:20:08] <_chrs_, replying to bartomelow> wat [00:20:16] I want to ride a train [00:20:21] nope sorry your local wiki destroyer was never real [00:20:22] All aboard the Chrain [00:21:15] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bartomelow> 🍊 [00:21:21] Hey chrs [00:21:33] hey pixldev [00:21:37] jumpscare [00:22:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [1/2] Leaked pic of John Miraheze [00:22:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462602990933508210/1290599035621.jpg?ex=696ecaae&is=696d792e&hm=f4ae21a398b24532e2c371daaf79fb06d4da4e2a23fbfc0435846f2eb84809d6& [00:22:16] Yeah... not easy work [00:22:26] [1/4] for some reason that reminded me of ```py [00:22:26] [2/4] >>> chr(sum(range(ord(min(str(not())))))) [00:22:27] [3/4] 'ඞ' [00:22:27] [4/4] ``` [00:22:32] yes I typed that from memory [00:22:42] Among is [00:22:49] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I don't read nerd, dumb it down a shade for me will ya [00:23:11] amog [00:23:15] us [00:23:32] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> you kids and your amogus [00:23:37] wow you can really tell when the ADHD medication stopped working [00:23:38] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> nothing will ever beat uwu [00:23:41] owo [00:23:46] :3 [00:23:49] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> How'd you know I have adhd [00:23:57] i meant on myself but sure [00:24:05] not() = True, str(True) = "True", min("True") = "T", ord("T") = 85, sum(range(85)) = some big number, chr(some big number) = amogus [00:24:08] * chrs curses everyone to only be able to speak in [[w:Special:AbuseFilter/614]] [00:24:09] discord user 🫵 [00:24:13] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> :stress1::stress2: [00:24:27] [[w:Special:AbuseFilter/614]] [00:24:27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/614 [00:24:28] [00:24:35] what [00:24:52] that embed is just [00:24:53] what [00:24:55] its when suddenly my brain starts singing hotel california and st james infirmary [00:25:06] sounds about right [00:25:32] what the hell is a moomer [00:25:38] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> For me it's the overwhelming urge to start Mongolian throat singing but I'm afraid my neighbors would think I'm some sort of weirdo [00:25:53] @wm-bot this is literally what we keep you around for [00:26:33] How you doing this fine day [00:26:35] ohio sus amogus impostor baby gronk dubai labubu sigma rizzler [00:26:40] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [[I'm a little teapot short and stout this is my handle this is my spout, when I get all steamed up hear me shout oh god yes don't stop]] [00:26:40] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/I%27m_a_little_teapot_short_and_stout_this_is_my_handle_this_is_my_spout%2c_when_I_get_all_steamed_up_hear_me_shout_oh_god_yes_don%27t_stop [00:26:40] [00:26:46] rem? [00:26:47] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> `[ui]s\s+sus\b` [00:26:48] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> :steveokek: [00:26:57] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I didn't think that would work [00:27:01] bro who ip banned my school wifi from miraheze 😭 [00:27:02] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I thought there was a char limit [00:27:04] <_chrs_, replying to pixldev> pretty good, you? [00:27:21] that sounds pretty normal [00:27:34] someone in your school probably vandalised [00:27:44] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I got my high school ip banned from Wikipedia in 2001 [00:27:44] 🥀 [00:27:45] then another person then another person then anohter [00:27:59] <_chrs_, replying to gunbomberj> if you want to edit, you should either make an account at home, or if you can't, it'll have an email for you to contact [00:28:21] so I have an account, its just not letting me log on in the specific wiki [00:29:01] <_chrs_, replying to gunbomberj> would you mind sharing the message (don't send you IP ofc) [00:29:06] <_chrs_> sounds like that may be a hardblock [00:29:17] Good! Tired, but had a fun day, it snowed for the second day in a row, so 🛷 [00:29:32] and snowball fight >:) [00:29:50] <_chrs_> epic; had a minor bit of snow today but it didn't stick at all [00:29:54] Not a worry, please DM me the account name and the wiki you're trying to connect to, I can assist. [00:30:11] beat me to it 😁 [00:30:19] or email cvt@miraheze.org at your convenience [00:30:32] alright im just gonna dm [00:31:04] https://tenor.com/view/christina-grimmie-sonic-gotta-go-fast-running-gif-139050875068915476 [00:31:42] competitive CVT isn't real, it can't hurt you [00:31:54] My college is banned from Wikipedia [00:32:01] It happens [00:32:43] <_chrs_> typically those are [[w:Template:School block]]'s and will let you edit with an account though [00:32:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:School_block [00:32:44] [00:32:53] <_chrs_> oh so now wm-bot replies instantly [00:33:06] Ahh [00:33:10] I just thought it was funny [00:33:49] <_chrs_> typically the easiest thing to do there would be to make an account on your phone with wifi off [00:34:27] only to discover that the students who got banned also had the same idea [00:34:43] although I'm not sure how realistic that is with all the IP shuffling going on in the states [00:36:51] All I’m saying is the dude who sat next to me in art class said his pronouns were Ultimate/Goonlord so I wouldn’t be surprised if vandalism was afoot [00:37:12] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> you seem to be implying that the average random trying to put `is gay` in a BLP is that sophisticated [00:37:51] i wouldn't call persistent sophisticated [00:38:11] <_chrs_> mmm yeah I prob meant to say persistent [00:38:14] if they blocked you then that obviously means you need to try harder [00:38:18] We have every flavor of terrible under the rainbow here, no need to be choosy. 🙃 [00:38:34] yay we're all queer now [00:38:47] Ha, not what I meant, but sure. [00:39:06] queeraheze [00:39:10] https://tenor.com/view/skittles-rainbow-intensifies-rainbow-candy-candies-gif-18958546 [00:43:08] i hate humans [00:43:52] He seemed like a nice guy beyond having a really dumb sense of humor at least [00:47:28] <_chrs_, replying to amelialoveheart> oh lol if he had wikipedia up... [00:55:25] love it when our second smartest student in our soft dev class is a queerphobe [00:55:57] academic prowess dont make you smart [00:56:15] how smart are you really to fall into the hands of hate [00:56:16] i meant the computer touching part [00:56:21] touche [00:56:36] worst part is that we'd have bonded well, if only he didn't hate my entire existence [00:57:04] and nothing of value was lost [00:57:25] 95% of our pupils be like [00:57:26] i can tell you right now that having shitty friends is miles worse than having none [00:57:42] i _wish_ he wasn't shitty, is what i meant [00:57:52] but yeah, i opted to not keep in touch w/ him because of that [00:58:04] ah, fair [00:58:12] that guy may be in for a rude awakening when he tries to find other devs (especially online i think) [00:58:26] i hope he really likes rust [00:58:57] tech bros do exist [00:59:11] true [01:00:24] im unsure how many of those are actual devs and how many are using grok or whatever but that's neither here nor there [01:00:27] i also knew two transphobe devs online a gender ago [01:00:54] one is a biphobe, not sure why i even still kept talking w him after thqt [01:00:57] i was born five genders ago [01:01:19] wow you must be an expert at transition [01:01:33] i wish [01:02:18] pop quiz, what does EV stand for? [01:09:36] electric vehicle or if you're born where I was Eesti Vabariik [01:10:31] that's on me, i set the bar too low [01:22:09] That’s gross [01:22:25] Evolution Value [01:40:11] Guys what do you all think of Wikigrid? [01:40:17] Why is there so many Miraheze ripoffs? [01:56:01] Ripoffs? [01:56:09] Do you mean other farms? [02:18:02] I really wouldnt say we have any ripoffs, more so there are other farms who typically specialize in specific things compared to us [02:53:25] The issue with CreateWiki off-shoots is that some of them very blatantly copy off of us. I wouldn't have so much of an issue if it weren't that many farms are just "Miraheze but with/without... " [02:54:17] Like with all due respect, WikiOasis, for example, has stolen a lot of our policies' texts and design choices (both community architecture as well as page layouts). [02:55:35] WikiGrid is doing slightly better by being a little more original when it comes to making up its own structure and policies though they base themselves off of WikiForge's ToU/PP which in turn are primative precursors of Miraheze's policies via WikiTide [02:59:49] i would like to note that agent is the sole proprietor of wikigrid [03:01:08] at least I know why wikigrid exists, as much I wouldn't want to host wikis booted off miraheze [03:01:17] no idea why wikioasis was set up [03:03:16] I am not actually, interestingly enough [03:03:35] It's a story for another day though [03:03:37] oooh do elaborate, unless agent isai is your evil twin brother [03:03:39] awh [03:03:47] perhaps he is [03:03:53] or perhaps he's an alter ego [03:04:00] one is agent, the other isai [03:06:41] (they are headmates) [03:06:53] agent headcanon [03:10:13] What country is WikiGrid based in? [03:12:56] please don't be USA 🤞 [03:13:39] [1/2] The first rule in their content guidelines is [03:13:40] [2/2] >Content that violates United States laws are strictly prohibited. [03:13:50] USA sucks for a non-profit [03:13:59] but otherwise is a very good base for a private company [03:17:25] So Wikimedia, WikiOasis, Miraheze, WikiGrid, Wiki.gg, and Grifkuba are all based in the same country. That's not great. We need more wiki farms that aren't in the U.S [03:18:07] unfortunately they haven't invented cheaper servers than in the US yet [03:18:15] ^ [03:18:34] fairly certain everyone would rather be anywhere else otherwise [03:18:54] We calculated the cost to host Miraheze in the EU. To match it 1:1 without room for growth, our costs would almost triple. [03:19:19] Even our large cash cushion probably couldn' [03:22:20] [1/2] Telepedia is based in the UK [03:22:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462648344580194496/IMG_1032.png?ex=696ef4ec&is=696da36c&hm=957a70698dc8e3f3fef50ee2de498ff9a6955178140667b2fcaf652ecce5659d& [03:23:03] oh wow no human rights kingdom instead of no human rights states [03:23:26] Yeah I figured it wasn’t much better but it’s the only non American one I can think of. [03:23:34] For MW wikis at least [03:23:47] ATWiki is Japanese but it uses another system [03:25:11] [1/2] Ugh I hate how Grokipedia is always high in SEO [03:25:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462649059851501671/IMG_1033.png?ex=696ef596&is=696da416&hm=de51c928bf905050f2928c084e6895cc68ec799c4f4abd384e612559deb0c6af& [03:27:17] grok, waste a bunch of water and electricity on making something that already exists 10x worse, without clothes [03:28:58] [1/3] Wiki.gg makes it hard to figure out what country they are based in. Their website makes no mention, but their ToS links to the ToS of their parent company, indie.io. The indie.io site also doesn't specify what country they are in, but it links to their Bluesky account, which in turn links to their Linktree page, which in turn links to their LinkedIn page. Their L [03:28:58] [2/3] inkedIn page says they are based in the U.S. [03:28:58] [3/3] (There's no directly link from their website to their LinkedIn, so you have to follow the chain to figure out if it's really them.) [03:29:44] (Edit: I mixed up Bitly and Linktree.) [03:29:49] hetzner technically [03:29:52] tho idk about colo [03:30:01] hetzner isn't cheap enough [03:30:09] U.S. can have dirt cheap servers [03:30:19] hetzner is affordable but cannot match the U.S. in some fields [03:32:23] fun fact: the WTF is based in idaho [03:32:40] I mean Idaho is pretty WTF [03:33:00] North Idaho for sure [03:34:39] when i checked erin's map, i was like _oh_ [03:35:00] [1/3] Grokipedia calling itself atwiki [03:35:01] [2/3] 😒 [03:35:01] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462651533232705547/image0.jpg?ex=696ef7e4&is=696da664&hm=088e77bc99094b93704fb2211d7c5fd546c6acfa68dcbb54e209f912d2e48d2a& [03:35:55] i'll scream if it beats fandom in seo [03:36:42] Whoever wins, we lose. [03:38:12] [1/2] https://nashvillecapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Freedom-Games-Financing-11-4.pdf [03:38:13] [2/2] capital venture? [03:49:49] parent company seems to be in delaware [03:50:40] oh, sleuth of the skye, inform us about your wisdom [03:50:45] (how did you find out) [03:52:44] Well like millions of companies are based in Delaware [03:53:17] 1.9 million [03:53:41] [1/3] i looked up the CEO on edgar https://www.sec.gov/edgar/search/#/q=Donovan%2520Duncan [03:53:42] [2/3] one of the results included a company in delaware [03:53:42] [3/3] so i went to the most shadiest government website ever to look up freedom games [03:53:54] https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/EntitySearch/NameSearch.aspx this screams internet STDs [03:54:18] yeesh, so much blood [03:57:33] [1/3] I think they also operate in Alabama though [03:57:33] [2/3] https://www.indie.io/terms-of-service [03:57:33] [3/3] > These Terms will be construed under, and governed by, the laws of the State of Alabama [03:58:05] I'm quite fond of Telepedia [03:58:20] i very much missed the alabama part [03:58:39] [1/3] https://hypepotamus.com/feature/freedom-games-huntsville-alabama/ [03:58:40] [2/3] https://www.linkedin.com/in/donovanduncan/ [03:58:40] [3/3] Donovan Duncan himself is based in Huntsville, AL according to random news site and linkedin [03:59:05] But they could be registered in Delaware (not sure how this works in the corporate world) like many other US companies [03:59:26] corpos gonna shady corpo bs [03:59:58] do we even have a wiki farm based in a trans friendly state? [04:00:09] (country is ideal, but idt we have any) [04:02:11] Do trans friendly states even exist? [04:02:18] https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/anti-trans-national-legal-risk-assessment [04:02:52] aim for the youth map for bonus points [04:03:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462658770671894709/cutecat.mp4?ex=696efea1&is=696dad21&hm=9d4ce7ebe0fd82d11fb0ceb0a98d20992f86a8a27f1c59811a087491c3984502& [04:04:31] im losing it [04:04:44] im losing it [04:08:03] im losing it [04:10:48] I'm losing it [04:10:55] I’m losing it [04:15:32] https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-logo-commercial-fast-food-gif-16490842 [04:25:42] im mc'losing it [04:33:38] I hate this thing in Cosmos [04:54:19] We have considered reincorporation in another friendlier state (or country) if need be. [04:55:18] There are a number of practical challenges, esp when it comes to data portability rules, but I'll leave it at "the board has developed contingency plans" [04:56:34] I hope it doesn't come to that as every alternative has ugly trade offs [04:58:05] i don't think we have much variation in countries? [04:58:19] like, afaik most members are in either the US or UK [04:59:25] We have some potential opportunities in AU and a few EU member countries [04:59:53] But that poses its own problems given the online safety laws cropping up everywhere [05:00:33] No laws on the moon, Moonaheze when? [05:01:11] (jokes, I how there are intl treaties governing moon activity) [05:15:00] may i suggest that we do _not_ reincorporate in mars? [05:16:42] Not going to musk country, no [05:31:44] [1/2] WeirdGloop mentioned. Even the logos look similar. [05:31:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462680907080007751/image.png?ex=696f133f&is=696dc1bf&hm=0aa71ad2c4afe2b86276c2196694736db30c95709c477efe81ff1f4f695b11a3& [05:35:01] [1/3] I had no idea this was even a thing [05:35:01] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462681735421628416/image.png?ex=696f1405&is=696dc285&hm=757f06bf1fc234b0c6b8cc8b2c891cc7d04e80bf500e016538f8c9230b36259e& [05:35:02] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462681735991918655/image.png?ex=696f1405&is=696dc285&hm=485c381401f5034bd8c87cae2506e746f4b715d0900e451763ad0552e5debec7& [05:35:15] now you know! [05:35:30] wild [05:52:08] [1/2] Hello [05:52:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462686041734647809/static-assets-upload14747826492875914739.webp?ex=696f1807&is=696dc687&hm=1d261386a14026d455e6fcd16a958d844f4e73b0606018bb02219257963cfc03& [05:52:13] Who pinged me [05:52:40] IL is relatively safe to incorp in, and its fairly nfp friendly [05:53:08] Ahh yes [05:53:26] [1/2] Smart [05:53:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462686371616391400/SEMI-SERIES.webp?ex=696f1856&is=696dc6d6&hm=5bc5995b787328ae001ae8caec2bae0af105353caaef35c3dded017f90cd1301& [05:54:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462686596997583009/IMG_8716.jpg?ex=696f188c&is=696dc70c&hm=69ec3acc354de50fa087542f2b54808a0890ddf85888711e86acaa7a19c1076c& [05:54:24] he real [05:55:13] Please hold off from these big react faces [05:56:40] he [05:57:03] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWQHMugWALQ [06:03:22] Ahh I'm sorry [06:05:05] What is the Rest API [06:07:05] mediawiki-wise or in general [06:07:37] So that's why the cosmos search now displays page images [06:07:45] Without the use of the dev script [06:07:49] Interesting... [06:07:53] ? [06:08:34] [1/2] These (look at search) [06:08:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462690178677211341/Screenshot_20260119-030813.png?ex=696f1be2&is=696dca62&hm=07b6820f7f3d7ed952ee6abf3170a923668eb0ded8ebba237dfdc8b21cc7dd23& [06:09:19] it's another api to interact with mediawiki [06:09:24] I disabled a cosmos setting which made it work [06:09:28] why are there two apis? i... have no idea [06:11:11] Because wikimedia can't make up their minds [06:11:16] What does it do? [06:11:37] interact w mediawiki [06:11:50] oh my god bruh [06:12:08] i mean [06:12:12] that's what apis do [06:12:31] they facilitate communication [06:12:48] how does it function, exacttly [06:13:25] In what way does it interact with MediaWiki? [06:13:43] http request to rest.php -> mediawiki finds the proper function to call in some global variable (typically added when loading extension.json) -> function sends http response [06:13:58] 👍 [06:33:47] [1/6] (not quite) ELI5 version: [06:33:48] [2/6] * APIs are a set of instructions that let you tell a thing on the internet what to do [06:33:48] [3/6] * REST is an agreed-upon standard for how to build an API that everyone thinks is pretty great [06:33:48] [4/6] * With it, you can: [06:33:49] [5/6] * do a lot of things on a website really fast that would take you a long time if you went there to do it yourself [06:33:49] [6/6] * make things automatically happen when something else happens [06:37:30] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0 [07:33:37] [1/2] chat look what i have [07:33:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462711581610873038/Screenshot_2026-01-19_153032.png?ex=696f2fd0&is=696dde50&hm=c485cd1ba91a313463737486803f63d8b38bcc735a79245ed6f9e8ec71c7dcd6& [07:47:44] crappy encyclopedia beating crappy host [07:48:11] i'd rather have the crappy host win since at least crappy host has human content while gr*kipedia doesn't [07:49:50] but if miraheze or a non-fandxm wiki is competing with both, obviously, I'd rather have that win than fandxm or grxkipedia [07:52:54] [1/2] new england, upper midwest, and west coast are honorarily canada while the rest of the usa is jesusland [07:52:55] [2/2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map [07:57:43] ok [10:28:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462755481994002485/a1521a45bc863357e7661028d9545b66.png?ex=696f58b3&is=696e0733&hm=5e1cc5753831ae293c730fd6733b14d340d0eb77eeaa81fed6e2c301d0f469bf& [10:36:20] not very polite innit [10:52:17] Hello offtopic chatters. [10:52:26] Perfectly normal and reasonable. [12:35:54] i ❤️ my blahaj [12:47:32] ooooooo you all want to become e-residents of estonia ooooooo [12:54:27] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462792323938254923/static-assets-upload8635728702397679774.webp?ex=696f7b03&is=696e2983&hm=17163b88d1f58bc0360e87883dcb9d28c38d42cfa4d517d1e0fdcb4534893992& [14:18:32] canada might be good provided c-2 doesnt pass? [14:20:17] just praying here [14:45:46] Well just anyone here learn French on duolingo [14:45:51] (Just asking) [14:46:00] Or ||FRENCH OR THE TRENCH|| [14:48:09] i tried [14:48:19] still ended up with a 60.78% in french [14:53:51] That was just one example tbh. Grokipedia keeps getting second or third and I hate it [15:11:58] Indie Wiki Buddy should do an update where they redirect Grokipedia to Wikipedia :EpicFaceMH: [15:12:51] going to cry [15:20:49] would be peak [15:22:55] wait that's a good idea tho [15:33:49] Who's opening the issue for it on github /j [16:08:13] for now lol [16:16:22] [1/6] (sorry someone just linked me this lol) [16:16:22] [2/6] I wanna defend this a bit because it sounds like this has been filtered through like 3 people and there's some pretty important details missing. We had a conversation with the game developer and it was clear there was a lot of stuff that was currently on the cookie run fandom wiki (like infobox parameters guessing about the age and gender of the cookies, lol) [16:16:22] [3/6] that the devs saw as a brand risk if it was suddenly hosted on a subdomain of their main website, since it would essentially be seen as official confirmation of a bunch of silly stuff they never intended [16:16:22] [4/6] so in addition to some pretty major content merge work that would have needed to happen to unify the 3 different fandom wikis under one (sub)domain, there was going to be a lot of tricky work that ultimately we would have been responsible for, to get it to a place that the devs would feel comfortable making it official. any time we host an official wiki, there [16:16:23] [5/6] 's some degree of trust gap between the (usually very risk averse and not understanding why people would edit a wiki) devs and the (usually extremely excited and not-understanding-the-dev's-incentives) wiki editors. a big part of what we do is basically being the travel adapter between those two groups, but for cookie run it was clear it was going to require m [16:16:23] [6/6] uch more careful effort than any of the other wikis we'd done, and cause a lot more headaches over time [16:17:12] [1/4] when we host a new wiki, the majority of the cost isn't bandwidth or servers (the economies of scale of running runescape at 200m pageviews/month mean everything else fits in pretty nicely). the main cost is having extremely competent people doing the high effort, mostly nontechnical stuff that determines whether the wiki beats fandom or not (google optimization, building a coalit [16:17:13] [2/4] ion with the game studio, etc). you might think that sounds stupid, but it's the reason that basically all of our wikis beat up the Fandom wiki within a year, and why most other move attempts aren't as successful. that was clearly going to be months of work in this case, and it's not the sort of thing I'm willing to half-ass [16:17:13] [3/4] $35k is a pretty normal, low-end number for hosting an official wiki (especially one that's a subdomain of the game website). it's also probably less than what their new host is going to make in ads if they can recover even half of the Fandom wiki's traffic, and I much prefer being able to get a game studio making $25m a year in revenue to pay for those costs, rather than passing [16:17:13] [4/4] those costs onto the readers with eye-bleeding ads [16:18:40] the price of people then? [16:20:05] Thank you kindly for the clarification Cook, appreciate it [16:53:08] Also I don't think we've ever described anything in terms of "buying out the ad spaces", I think you've just got like second or third-hand info about it [16:54:44] The only wiki we've ever run an ad on was RuneScape, all the others (even ones currently without dev support) are ad free [16:58:53] Thanks for the clarification, I do have missed out on certain context, my bad [17:11:32] Hi Cook! I love the RuneScape wiki [17:11:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358085797385076736/376908733634183168/2017-10-28_23-53-10.gif [17:15:07] Weird Gloop on top as always [17:15:39] They have the greatest wikis on the planet [17:16:05] (excluding the wiki about [Outside](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) of course, that wiki is undeniably massive and huge) [17:16:52] Can Wikipedia be considered the father of all wiki farms out there [17:17:08] (excluding wiki dot) [17:17:16] (that one is a creature) [17:17:34] nah cuz it is not a wiki farm [17:17:37] WMF production deployment the original wiki farm [17:17:41] it's a massive wiki [17:18:13] It would be accurate to characterize the deployment as a farm with unified services and login with ~1000 wikis, just a much higher barrier for new wikis to be made [17:18:27] [1/2] wikimedia [17:18:28] [2/2] mediawiki [17:18:33] ??? what in the hell [17:18:33] Since they host different wikis for different languages and different projects [17:19:00] yeah [17:19:08] wouldn't say wikipedia itself is a "wiki farm" per se [17:19:26] whatever the wikimedia foundation is cooking up is a wiki farm in its own right [17:19:28] wikipedia is a type of wiki under the wikimedia foundation wikifarm [17:20:11] yet still makes a terrific skin to customizate [17:20:28] they cook then burn the kitchen afterwards [17:20:46] Oh yea, Vector and Timeless [17:21:02] No not timeless [17:21:06] Vector 2022 [17:21:24] i personally hate that variant [17:22:12] They should make a vector 2026 that just improves vector 2022 horrible skin-making [17:25:33] me too lol [18:08:43] [1/2] Hey friend 🙏 greatly appreciate your help. Waiting for the windows ISO to finish installing onto my usb drive [18:08:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462871406781136906/20260119_130712.jpg?ex=696fc4aa&is=696e732a&hm=126a30becb3ec3dc567182b6a84a58e3f7a60756ff02ab53f51a6bb9d704f072& [18:10:35] [1/2] Its not like the prettiest from the side or anything but [18:10:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462871880255012974/20260119_131017.jpg?ex=696fc51b&is=696e739b&hm=a6ee54f9ff648683aedd3a2ac7220111662758a2a9c04b0285d353925b8a3b22& [18:10:54] Just need to get a network card at some point [19:19:31] [1/2] a:danceskeleton: [19:19:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462889226474623192/20260119_141851.jpg?ex=696fd542&is=696e83c2&hm=247117221eb1104091f759e1cac606723854c6aedb75e0c89764a983e911c76b& [19:57:37] [1/2] Hello [19:57:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462898817027539105/static-assets-upload15409871783506849609.webp?ex=696fde31&is=696e8cb1&hm=1855e531438fb3b1db86955112c79ec6c32e6d58bfd19bfac9ce74cc2c3b09af&