[00:37:33] Oh this is so real [01:06:38] [1/2] This is correct, and it is dumb. [01:06:39] [2/2] https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/california-introduces-age-verification-law [01:07:47] It relies on user self-report at least, so that's one less thing handed off to a third-party entity [01:13:35] this whole law is beaten by a "not for use in california" [01:14:28] Wait, that passed? [01:14:31] its a checkbox i dont imagine anyone is going to refuse to comply [01:16:44] Yup, though it was very underbaked and should not have been signed into law [01:17:12] They didn't think through... like ANY edge case, they didn't even account for multi-user households [01:17:30] I am a proud sponsor of ageless linux btw [01:18:15] Cone on California.. [01:19:13] I mean, it mentions in the article but even newsom was like "C'mon guys, you gotta amend this shitshow before Jan '27 when it goes into effect" [01:19:30] Which, I mean... at that point you shouldn't have signed a faulty law into law [01:20:09] Most likely outcome is it goes into effect unamended, nobody complies and nobody attempts to enforce it. [01:20:34] Isn’t that part of the Governor’s job [01:20:40] Sure is [01:43:11] a neat side effect of centralauth is that images i upload to wikimedia commons will also pop up on miraheze [01:44:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1480743026853810329/image_2026-03-09_214404436.png?ex=69b0c8e8&is=69af7768&hm=41b13c0f722102d4370fe9c57e62c914f9dace50f91ba8fd020765540986c86d& [01:45:30] Interesting. [02:06:53] That's not CentralAuth [02:07:20] a neat side effect of [02:07:21] uh [02:07:28] something account related [02:07:45] https://tenor.com/view/library-of-ruina-angela-gif-16081515651941375925 [02:07:58] do you mean are usable or are connected to your account [02:22:37] connected to my account [02:38:25] INstantCommons [06:29:53] finally i succeeded after i added paypal to ad blocker's whitelist [06:30:09] where do i get my golden name? [06:40:12] Oh good, I just had a really dumb realization - most scientific calculators are technically included under California's extremely broadly written law [06:40:57] No TI calculators for California I guess [06:41:52] Message a discord admin with some proof of donation, e.g. screenshot of confirmation [06:42:11] But not me unless you want to wait 8 hours as I need to go to bed [06:48:46] i'll wait for another admin to appear here then [07:22:16] Skye has been taking care of the majority of these requests. If you DM her, she will be able to help you once she's available. [07:33:50] Though I don't think the law will be enforced against them (unless someone sues for pettiness) [07:51:36] the nspire even has its own os [07:51:49] 😭 wttf [07:51:56] why does a calculator need an os [07:52:00] this world is messed up [07:52:12] next you're going to need a constant internet connection for a calculator [07:57:01] y e s [07:57:25] it uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleus_RTOS [08:04:17] [1/2] Ti scientific calculators can download apps, and some are even internet enabled by default, so they would absolutely qualify under the loose definitions laid out. [08:04:17] [2/2] One calculator OS group has already opted out of the CA market preemptively [08:06:09] why the hell does a calculator need to download apps [08:06:11] that's what phones are for [08:07:30] Pretty sure it's to cheat in exams [08:07:36] Or do something while bored [08:15:30] then again I wouldn't mind having discord on my calculator [08:18:43] discord in windows 95 [08:21:06] To have more functionality like formal computing or whatever [08:21:34] I mean some scientist also use them, student is not the only target [09:31:11] I had an interesting thought just now, how do you pronounce wikivy? is it wik—ivy or wiki—viy [09:31:29] idk how to write IPA for pronouncing lol [09:54:53] wiki V (?) [10:02:46] miraheze = Wiki I, wikioasis = Wiki II, skywiki = Wiki III, cloudwiki = Wiki IV [10:07:37] I can handle [10:07:51] (mods also have role perms) [10:13:38] Shoot me a DM and I’ll get to it in a bit [11:09:02] discord.com/invite/YDMeaDQM [11:23:53] @Discord Moderators [11:27:24] @pskyechology can you come clean this up? [11:27:36] man invites should be automodded ngl [11:27:58] though this is a new tech i haven't seen before so i'll keep note [11:29:15] i'm tempted to join because it's literally named kitty girls 😭 [11:29:18] [1/2] oh no, this is already known, i have a regenx code i've been using for awhile [11:29:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1480890285881032825/4C970341-8F5B-4DE4-A438-B9AB4D126141.png?ex=69b1520d&is=69b0008d&hm=39844a633a4e1ec7c257194d0d694c34f92904af4b67e6c4dd4400fc9e252039& [11:29:46] regenx code? [11:29:58] it's for discord automod feature [11:30:02] ah [11:30:46] *regex [11:30:46] [1/2] talking about this @blankeclair [11:30:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1480890657555087370/1D50582C-98D1-4932-A724-880FDA60509F.png?ex=69b15266&is=69b000e6&hm=241e648027badc408e78deef0b980199948613a07cde0b2dd13b863eef06bb8c& [11:31:27] i call it code cause i think that's what it is [11:32:11] regex expression [11:32:19] (though that's kinda like atm machine) [11:32:35] inb4 someone is just manually doing it [11:33:34] [1/2] why is 4chan involved in this abbreviation lol [11:33:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1480891360570507437/C47195BA-0142-4C52-9968-7C851B6348FB.png?ex=69b1530d&is=69b0018d&hm=31387f31d2f50edafec60f2948e0dbec09deca2d28e969d594fc9ef1df75bb93& [11:34:45] https://www.wikihow.com/Inb4-Meaning [11:34:59] i suppose my subconsciousness added an "n" out of nowhere lol [11:38:37] does automod affect #server-invites ? [11:39:41] regular expression is alright [11:54:23] why does she look drunk [11:59:27] https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318 [12:00:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166042712101888120/1371473129058336839/attachment.gif [12:40:52] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1480908297652666479/copy_2EFC21B9-084B-431F-B604-BB17127B9ACC.mov?ex=69b162d4&is=69b01154&hm=0e523d0f36dfe40c0afcbf6c2583d9576e53734e707ed6c393c9e3ece082daa3& [15:40:04] meow [15:46:06] If the admins add my regex code, will be affected unless an exception is made for that channel [15:46:39] Huh why is mh losing server members [15:51:48] hundreds of people joined during maintenance to ask why miraheze was down, I guess a few of them decided to leave [16:18:00] What mistakes do you think new wiki farms make? [16:23:10] [1/2] I don't have a ton of experience with wikifarms. My impression from reading the history is that people can sometimes vest too much power in one or a few people. I think Miraheze has lasted as long as it has because it has uncoupled community leadership from technical operations and financial/legal administration. If one of those things fails, it doesn't cause the entire thing t [16:23:10] [2/2] o fall apart overnight. [16:25:58] from what I've read of Miraheze history it seems like at times the two things have been coupled, but disaster has still managed to have been avoided [16:26:34] I'm mainly talking about Miraheze's predecessors. Miraheze itself started off with centralized authority but delegated over time [16:51:01] Why does Cocopuff get him? self involed in farms so much? If I rember right it was skywiki, wikicoud and wikivy [18:15:44] eeh, I would say 'its complicated' [18:16:45] as far as vesting power in a few people that pretty much comes down to farms that have single points of failures which ultimately did end up failing, and that in fact has been something miraheze has been vulnerable to for a long time, although I don't think you can quite take out one single person now and the whole thing goes [18:17:18] carefully choose say three and operations would be neutered, and careful ones could do severe damage to tech or community [18:17:47] you could say it being somewhat decentralized is an advantage, this advantage has contributed to one of our enduring disadvantages of an unclear and uncoordinated general platform leadership [18:18:00] i [18:19:05] if tech does fail I think community stuff just wouldn't matter though. But you could make an argument that miraheze has thrived more when it has had people specifically dedicated to community instead of being both tech and community, we have seen both cases on miraheze [19:20:26] anyone caught being sensible on metawiki will be abducted into the cabal, there is no choice [19:21:21] <_arawynn> yeah, I'm the latest example of that XD [19:22:00] tbf it was more on discord but close enough [19:22:56] [1/3] I messed with the data a bit more. According to SimilarWeb miraheze.org has 12.9 million monthly visits while fischipedia.org has 10.4 million. According to Matomo, Fisch is roughly 1/5 of total Miraheze traffic, so the conclusion is that if all custom domains count toward miraheze.org we'd have 50 millions monthly visits, which is about the same as [19:22:56] [2/3] wiki.gg (39.2 million per month). [19:22:57] [3/3] fandom.com has 927.3 million visits per month on SimilarWeb, so that puts us at around 1/20 the size of Fandom. [19:24:04] 1/4 of MH traffic being on miraheze.org is very surprising, but that's what the numbers seem to suggest. The proportions of Fisch seems about right when I compared it against Sekaipedia and Blue Archive Wiki, whose ratio of SimilarWeb numbers to Matomo numbers is consistent with Fisch. [20:02:01] all because the battle cats wiki admins were too lazy to do anything with custom domains [20:02:46] italian brainrot is probably also a major contributor to that [20:22:05] <_chrs_, replying to eytirth> my observation (in the general case) is that [when/because] you don't have a payroll, you can get way farther than you ever should be without having to figure out things like incorporation/accounting/reliability [20:23:18] <_chrs_> which are honestly pretty easy if you bother to try, but are things that you can brush off until you get hit by the consequences [21:04:06] in some cases I feel not incorporating or 'making it fancy' is better for a platform at small scale and there are only certain lines where formalizing becomes necessary or helpful [21:21:15] <_chrs_, replying to raidarr> at a small scale 100%, just so happens that at that level, you run into 'got bored, deleted the servers' / 'who needs backups lol' type situations, which gestures to the original question [21:22:31] <_chrs_> once you start properly soliciting donations though, that's a sign to take a second and think things through [21:23:59] unfortunately even say, soliciting donations in my experience does not at all herald the actual organizing of backups or good procedure in general, though it does I'll grant reduce the odds of a I'm bored I'll delete [21:24:17] but at that point I think its less about model and more the projects seriousness in general [21:27:19] <_chrs_, replying to raidarr> oh haha didn't mean it necessarily does moreso that it should [21:27:54] I'm less and less bothered by formal pretenses implying a should when we live in a world where the most formal country in existence pisses on those notions [21:30:18] we might have different 'backgrounds' on the topic so to speak, I believe we've reached a point where those things have no tangible effect, and the only thing I believe in is what is proven. So a new wiki of any capacity has an equal duty to demonstrate care and how it does so I am more flexible in observing [21:31:09] I have more personal trust in gorhill, random guy on the internet maintaining ubo, then I do of any single browser vendor with all their corporate backdrop [21:32:50] now for the purposes of hosting more professional things that equation does and should change [21:33:16] <_chrs_, replying to raidarr> tbh this is pretty much the internet these days [21:33:32] the duty of work of personal trust and what I'd advocate of any business to trust will be the same in the backdrop, but the formality is a requirement in many domains [21:34:45] I appreciate linux mint but for business recommendation would probably be irresponsible to even consider recommending it or any more hobby distro I like over the likes of canonical's ubuntu pro or rhel and at any rate they're proven enough to be on the table anyway for most contexts [21:35:36] for something like miraheze I think there is a very small class of wikis that benefit from any consideration like that, but they do exist and miraheze is their best bet for miraheze being an organized entity alone over something with a very reliable random guy who nonetheless does everything in a personal capacity as-is with no guarantees, not that we make many ourselves [21:36:11] and yet other projects that are more 'business' in nature might find even say, fandom to be the more comfortable bet than miraheze for that reason [21:36:43] but as far as a tiny host goes its up to them if they even want to consider at this level, or consider a relative majority of projects that can do with less [21:37:36] we are in some ways held back by nonprofit status and that makes a real niche in the market for platforms that can host more broadly, comfortably, like wikigrid. But then you have yet other considerations, so that's the game to be played [21:52:43] <_chrs_> [1/2] re governance generally, the idea I meant to express was basically that (if you don't have to pay employees) you can sometimes find yourself in this weird situation where you have the informal governance structure typical of "run by one guy" scenarios (which works perfectly when in fact run by one person, and which translate directly to the sort of access controls found on the web (ev [21:52:43] <_chrs_> [2/2] erything has a(n) "owner(s)" who can do whatever they want)) but it's actually run by a team [21:58:18] <_chrs_> [1/2] this is a contradiction, and will eventually resolve itself either gracefully, with the introduction of some level of formalism (which, when done competently, won't change the de facto situation on the ground), or catastrophically, see freenode and thousands of other "someone [kicked the rest of the team off the github/ran off with the domain name]" situations [21:58:18] <_chrs_> [2/2] which outcome depends, as you said, almost entirely on the the care/skill of whoever's running the show [22:20:11] Once you become tech you will have all the juicy statistics from Matomo and Cloudflare to draw conclusions about where traffic comes from. [22:21:06] I mean https://communities.miraheze.org/wiki/List_of_wikis_by_Matomo_statistics exists [22:21:57] Yeah I forgot that I maintain that list lol [22:22:04] there are more of the top 10 using the miraheze.org subdomain than I thought [22:22:40] it's basically just fisch, avid and bluearchive that don't [22:26:25] I wouldn't be surprised if Idle Obelisk Miner is heavily influenced by bot traffic. Same goes for Blue Archive Wiki, though I don't notice too many discrepancies across different tracking platforms.