[00:09:14] @thewwrnerdguy have you heard my story about my poor man’s bastion [00:09:40] nope [05:41:02] Fairly sure beta features is an extension yes [05:45:35] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Comparison_of_wiki_hosts [05:45:35] [2/3] Some highly biased opinions about the free wiki hosts out there. [05:45:35] [3/3] I think @raidarr had plans for a similar user page. I can link to yours if you write one as well. Alternatively, feel free to edit my user page. [06:22:26] describing fandom as the devil is very funny (but also very accurate) lol [06:23:43] I think the fandom bit is one of the best ways of describing them I've ever seen [06:47:41] as for caveats i think communities better also get informed that mh has csp [06:48:19] so wikis w/ a lot of external embeddings (eg bilibili videos) can turn to other services [07:02:15] More attention went into those 2 sentences than anywhere else in the page lol. Too much has been said about Fandom that I tried to be creative. [07:12:02] [1/2] MH's takes security more seriously than most farms which is indeed unique. [07:12:03] [2/2] E.g. ABXY still runs MW 1.41 which has known unpatched vulnerabilities. [07:22:48] this is really well done (and I don't mean the part where you say Weird Gloop is super cool) [07:22:58] i broadly agree with like 100% of it [07:23:01] We still got a lot we could do better tbh [07:23:05] But we do try hard [07:23:38] fandom is also relaxed with vulnerabilities [07:23:41] fandom is also relaxed with vulnerabilities [07:24:23] We definitely benefit from a few of our lovely volunteers when it comes to improving the security of the ecosystem [07:45:57] [1/8] telepedia is a bit tricky to compare because it is media oriented; games, films etc, the one reception wiki it has is the only one it will have, and what it wants should vaguely fit that real media bucket although OA has been a little on and off if he would like to support more than that. But it does have a preference, and it does have ads. It also likes t [07:45:58] [2/8] o be a bit exclusive on its tech here and there like its comments extension. Its philosophically as if miraheze and fandom had a baby and the configcentre stack is a fork of managewiki although he did away with centralauth entirely a while ago. [07:45:58] [3/8] Oasis is also a bit tricky on the content scope topic because its actually a lot stricter in terms of pure nsfw projects, although the rest I think holds up. [07:45:58] [4/8] Shoutwiki is a little tragic because it seems dead and occasionally pops up with 'but we have big good stuff coming!' until that stuff ie a properly functioning wiki creation process actually materializes, the advice on the page holds, and honestly it wold hold even if they did given the track record imo. [07:45:59] [5/8] If we're being absolutely thorough (but omitting a disreputable example's pet projects), there is amazing wikis which is probably still ultra heavy on policies but it does exist. I think the indie wiki federation exists, its kind of around the park of weird gloop and isn't really a general acceptance option iirc. For local community purposes I find [6/8] //localwiki.org/> vaguely interesting though I haven't looked too closely. Premium is out of scope but for completeness, mywiki has a bit of special history since they were the ones fishing around here for customers in 2023. I've since had some, and not that great experience of them. Then there's wikiforge and its tale, but I guess not much with miraheze c [07:45:59] [7/8] onnection after that. [07:45:59] [8/8] Otherwise I don't have a whole lot to add, its a neat comparison [07:47:15] Lmao me too [07:47:46] The mossbag video ending is also funny [07:48:55] There's no nuance into liking Fandom as a host (except for the wikis still stuck there, which must move out whenever possible) [08:05:08] The video ends with "Now... I've been pretty mean to Fandom throughout this video." [08:06:02] I think it even takes it slightly further [08:06:06] but ends the same [09:34:52] [1/4] Thanks! Good to know that I didn't make any big mistakes. More info about WG surfaced when I looked, so I'll probably do another round of updates. [09:34:52] [2/4] [Forum:Mid-2023 business update](https://meta.runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Mid-2023_business_update) [09:34:52] [3/4] [Forum:Funding the wikis](https://runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Funding_the_wikis) [09:34:53] [4/4] I'm happy to link to similar comparison pages elsewhere, though I'd imagine it's harder to be too honest in a public-facing article when you're famous : ) [09:39:01] [1/9] personal rankings: [09:39:02] [2/9] 1. Weird Gloop [09:39:02] [3/9] 2. Miraheze/wiki.gg (tied for different reasons, wiki.gg has convenience/support while Miraheze has customizability but not as much support) [09:39:02] [4/9] 3. ABXY [09:39:03] [5/9] 4. Shoutwiki [09:39:03] [6/9] 5. Wikidot [09:39:03] [7/9] 6. Fand*m [09:39:04] [8/9] 7. Fextalife [09:39:04] [9/9] did not include: Telepedia, Miraheze derivatives [09:40:58] I mean, can people objectively say that ShoutWiki is better than Fandom? [09:41:15] (not to put praise on Fandoms name, but I think we need to be realistic here) [09:41:40] ShoutWiki's just a dead platform tbh [09:41:54] shoutwiki's mw version is probably older than my bisexual awakening [09:41:57] like I said, I can re-rank to be above the dead platforms, but of course below ABXY [09:42:02] ShoutWiki kinda just existing just because it exists, nothing really is going on there at all, objectively Fandom as a platform is still moving (even if that is going backwards) [09:42:41] And at least Fandom try to some degree to stomp out hate speech etc, which ShoutWiki does not try to do whatsoever despite Claire bringing it up several times to them [09:42:51] oh, 28 feb 2026 [09:43:23] They're running extensions from 2024 dw 💀 [09:43:42] oh bleh [09:43:50] my bi awakening was uhhhhhhh [09:43:59] 2017? [09:47:35] does shoutwiki have a po box [09:47:43] would be funny if i posted a letter [09:47:53] updated [09:49:06] Dunno their address on Companies House appears to just be someone's house so send it there ig 😭 [09:51:36] https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09749047 [09:51:38] lmaoooooooooo [09:54:07] economy air is $4.35 [09:55:24] signature on delivery is +$5.50 [09:57:22] international post registered is $21.55, and has tracking [10:00:49] alternatively: @rhinosf1 do you wanna post a letter to shoutwiki limited for me? [10:06:39] why [10:06:52] Send all the hate mail! /s [10:06:56] i want them to acknowledge my transphobic wiki report [10:07:03] but i suppose i'm jumping the gun a bit [10:07:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308252788555513933/1459261214361387266/giphy.gif [10:08:33] @blankeclair I mean if you want tracked post it's like 18 AUD anyway [10:08:53] 6 AUD for signature but no tracking via snail timeslave [10:08:58] Also I have no printer [10:09:03] So you'd need to buy me a printer [10:09:10] oh [10:09:15] yeah i suppose i can print it myself [10:09:40] but i gotta get a status report from random first [10:10:04] I have half an hour to kill before my inbound plane ever lands [10:10:12] Fun [10:10:43] I'm starving [10:11:22] It's 10am for you [10:11:26] Did you not have breakfast [10:11:43] I never have breakfast [10:11:57] @blankeclair it probably costs nearly the same for me to hand deliver it tbh [10:12:02] i can safely say i blame five nights at freddys for my bisexual awakening [10:12:08] But again no printer [10:12:20] it's all mr hippo's fault [10:12:40] It's £22 for a train ticket and £10 to post it [10:12:45] Why the fuck is that fair so high [10:12:50] Screw GTR [10:13:00] why are your trains so expensive [10:13:01] Oh wait £14 [10:13:02] Don't worry! The Great Rail Freeze will save you [10:13:06] I'm reading the wrong line [10:13:15] £14 to take the train and £10 to post [10:13:29] Labour government just the Tories but in red that's why [10:13:36] oh [10:14:13] It's cheaper to fly from Manchester to London than it is to get the train in this country lmao [10:14:49] I mean BA are about as reliable as our rail network so [10:15:08] Both my journeys with BA were over 3 hours delayed [10:15:11] Ive never flown Ba [10:15:14] have shoutwiki staff fixed their wiki creation extension yet [10:15:18] At least I'm getting £700 back [10:15:28] Some day [10:15:41] I tend to just fly EasyJet and RyanAir TBF [10:15:45] Occasionally Jet2 [10:19:31] suddenly reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sRoYvFTE3c [10:23:05] So real [10:30:55] I'm waiting for a Ryanair plane [10:33:23] oh wow the entire gta fandom wiki has migrated to weird gloop [10:33:38] and off fandom [10:33:42] [10:35:46] sry if im late to the news lol [10:40:58] i read this as raidarr [10:41:02] weird gloop's blog article is really well written [10:41:13] oh snap [10:41:20] Which [10:41:20] Didn't know he had his own airline [10:41:34] my wiki's community decided to move to miraheze bc of weird gloop's article [10:41:58] searches up thank you for flying in the Miraheze discord [10:42:07] https://weirdgloop.org/blog/why-were-helping-more-wikis-move-away-from-fandom [10:42:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1483052781639045392/image.png?ex=69b93008&is=69b7de88&hm=6227a7cb84d82f11c9ffe2d1fa5d724ff141b899c6e7d375fe9252b907e88e84& [10:42:17] oh that one [10:42:28] Time to board [10:42:33] weirdgloop blogs r always great [10:42:34] See you guys in about 3.5 hours [10:42:53] The scraper one was great [10:44:18] gta wiki def have their work cut out for them trying to beat their fandom wikis SEO [10:57:14] Thanks for all the info. I'll probably incorporate this to the article later today, though you're welcome to make the additions yourself. [11:06:10] forgot to inform you guys about that here lol [11:06:35] now I gotta alert the wiki.gg discord too, since they are also happy to see the news of wikis moving away from Fandom [11:07:37] from the reddit post and the tweet, seems everybody is happy about this [11:13:18] lol yeah [11:13:32] I made the reddit post [14:57:24] Does anyone have any trouble using @import rules in on-wiki CSS? Like Vector.css or is that just me it won't work for lol? [14:57:54] you should put it in common.css [14:58:26] mediawiki concatenate common.css and .css, and @import only works at the beginning of a css [14:58:56] Yeah it's always worked fine at the top of common.css for me [14:59:13] Never tried it in a skin specific css tho [14:59:55] if you want a skin-specific @import, you should move vector.css to mediawiki:gadget-vector.css and add vector[RL|hidden|default|skin=vector]vector.css in gadgets definition [15:00:55] ah damn [15:00:59] i totaly forgot about that lol [15:09:39] ty btw!! 🙂 [16:58:51] [1/2] I'll probably turn this into a datamap, I'm not promise [16:58:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1483147548435939561/NEWEARTH_GEOLOGY_MAP_1.png?ex=69b9884b&is=69b836cb&hm=e1493f2fff8fac65a475e4416bdac3e7a7908c256a9338370bed881a37c912a5& [17:36:21] bang bang, sosa sosa [17:46:37] Everyone is always happy when a wiki moves off fandom [17:46:41] Fandom is trash [17:46:50] fr [17:47:16] the more the wiki nation moves away from fandom, the better [17:51:39] I cheer every time I learn a wiki has moved off of Fandom even if its one I've never heard of tbh [17:54:10] i love this [17:57:47] you can also just ask me direct questions if you want, we're pretty open about the overall situation and I think both of those are from ~3 years ago before we were hosting any non-RS wikis [17:59:29] the really nice thing is that we all essentially want the same thing, which is beating the shit out of fandom [17:59:32] -# the meta wiki's text color on dark mode is kind of unreadable (mobile minerva) [18:03:08] I might consider volunteering for cvt but right now I can't even create an account yet lol [18:03:41] Though Notaracham finally replied to my email after a week. Backlog is that long huh [18:04:02] let's go one more for the cabal [18:05:49] tbh im considering joining the translator team [18:05:58] 1 should be self hosting a MediaWiki install, which I did for my tf2 cut content wiki at one point. At the time a few years back, I eventually got bored before ever actually editing that self hosted wiki so I ended up shutting it down and now I'm on Miraheze [18:06:38] But self hosting is a great choice if you know what you're doing. Full freedom to do what you want [18:18:34] (No.. it’s longer :/) [18:26:14] to be honest my opinion on this has changed in the last couple years because of the scrapers [18:26:50] Including Fextra and Shout is funny [18:27:03] I don’t know if Shout even is able to add new wikis [18:27:11] if you asked me in 2023 i would have totally agreed with this take. but since the scrapers have come onto the scene, sysadmin-ing a wiki has turned into much more of an active project [18:27:12] But all around very nice work [18:27:41] I don’t love the dismissiveness of FANDOM’s entry ironically enough [18:28:16] it's technically correct [18:29:03] Eeeeeeeeeh [18:29:08] it gives you ease/convenience in creating a new wiki and does have a lot of wikis, but it comes at the cost of the bad ux and controversies [18:29:43] Better than some, and better than nothing definitely [18:29:54] Gimmi a second [18:29:58] tbh yeah [18:30:57] shoutwiki and wikidot aren't terrible, but i'd rank them lower only because they're abandoned [18:31:18] and fextralife is last because of embedded streams and no copyleft license [18:32:51] Yeah, I wish there was actual detail about how much fandom sucks to help convince people looking to create a new wiki to not use them [18:33:22] Not exactly what I meant [18:34:28] I do think the analogy of ‘the devil’/a very Faustian characterization is fun and also a good way to explain it, but I want to be fair and not entirely and wholly dismiss it forever and ever [18:35:29] I’m no lover of the site and certainly not the company, but I respect the people and projects on it, even if I think it’s not ideal. [18:36:47] No copyleft - runs a ARR wiki [18:37:26] Putting power in the hands of the editor and community like Cook says has to mean letting them pick their home and host, even if we disagree. Not saying not to advocate for better alternatives of course, but still, I’d rather see FANDOM given a critical but fair assessment on par with the other hosts [18:37:45] I would not run a wiki on Fadom but I am willing to help a wiki that I find is a mess [18:38:09] Absolutely not a diss at anyone but if we’re digging in the weeds to have something con to say on WG, we can say good things about fandom [18:38:30] Fandom is very stable from what I can tell most of the time [18:38:53] Fandom has a large commuty that is active on many wikis and their central wiki [20:09:28] Fandom's problem is it seems to want to destroy the few good things it has left [20:10:17] like only a few months ago I would have said that individual staff there are still pretty good, then they laid off most of them [20:48:37] I could come up with a more serious take after those two sentences. Just need some time to incorporate new info from Raidarr and WG. [20:59:35] I went through 12 days of backlog yesterday, I've been stuck on real life projects to the detriment of volunteering. [23:21:08] [1/3] rest in peace my granny, she got hit by a bazooka [23:21:09] [2/3] yeah i think about it every time i hit the hookah [23:21:09] [3/3] 💥 kaboom 💥 kablow 💥 kaboom 💥 [23:25:26] what [23:26:16] apparently it's the new trending youtube shorts song