[00:08:03] okay my character has now seemingly developed telekinesis [00:08:18] with a ranged weapon she can push zombies that come into range [00:12:46] what even is estrogen [00:13:11] Feminizing hormone [00:13:30] What [00:14:02] a hormone that is feminizing [00:14:11] oh okat [00:18:07] https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-24404127 [02:38:13] <1nkygirl, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Yummy [02:38:17] <1nkygirl> Gimme [03:54:39] female dominant sex hormone [03:54:52] it's a part of feminising gender affirming hormone therapy: https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/second-puberty-fem [03:55:05] as well as menopause hormone therapy [04:19:27] need to add nexawiki to the list for real 🤭 [04:20:52] Fandom being described as the devil is chef's kiss perfection. We need more wikis on Miraheze! [06:40:34] Agreed [11:10:06] I think I incorporated most suggestions. Amazing wikis seems extremely small so probably not worth including. Indie wiki federation is more like IRWA than a farm? localwiki's topic is likely too narrow for most people looking for a wiki host. As for Wikiforge I'm not even sure if it's functional at this point. [11:11:24] I also added Bulba since minecraft wiki considered moving to them. I'm less familiar with the platform than ABXY though. [11:13:16] [1/2] There's also a [new ranking section at the end](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Comparison_of_wiki_hosts#Final_comparison). A general ranking is too subjective, so I opted for more comparable things. [11:13:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1483785351779586148/image.png?ex=69bbda4b&is=69ba88cb&hm=4e6196a35aa3cb5e88a6421c1296db4c3431d3297ac3e716bc639aa092981ac1& [11:46:02] [1/2] I got a rare message [11:46:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1483793599492653066/Screenshot_from_2026-03-18_11-45-50.png?ex=69bbe1f9&is=69ba9079&hm=e6b50d8dbe33c5e297cf24ab0330edcc678bfb2db8fa3961f489628c26ad866f& [12:25:21] kinda crazy how weird gloop and wiki.gg are equal in this regard [12:26:25] 14 main wikis vs 1,700+ wikis [12:27:55] and miraheze has like 10 times more wikis than wiki.gg [12:28:48] These are heavily skewed by the largest wikis I think. SimilarWeb says terraria.wiki.gg had 20 million visits in Feb (2/5 of total wiki.gg traffic) compared to 10 million visits in Jan, which explains why my impression of wiki.gg is at 40 million. That 10 mil difference was perhaps solely due to terraria. [13:08:46] I think you should probably not put stats on there for views because, specifically in Telepedia's case, those figures are way off [13:13:15] (also ConfigCentre isn't a manage wiki fork, it shares no code with ManageWiki and was built from the ground up, but alas I guess that's part and parcel) [13:16:15] They're not particularly accurate for WO either, my napkin maths says it's closer to 2M monthly views but that's based on cloudflare analytics of last 24h rounded down and multiplied by 28 so not sure exactly how accurate it is [13:20:51] Cloudflare is not a wildly accurate indicator either because it counts every request (IE load.php URLs etc al) are all treated individually instead of together, but it's a lot more accurate than SimilarWeb [13:30:30] [1/3] Fixed. [13:30:30] [2/3] As for traffic SimilarWeb is surprisingly okay on my end. For the few wikis I checked it is around 1.3x of what Matomo tells me. Considering the existence of ad blockers it probably isn't too off. [13:30:30] [3/3] As long as SimilarWeb uses some consistent methodology, comparisons between different hosts would still make sense since they are being overcounted/undercounted in similar ways. [13:31:22] I mean, it's way off but.... [13:39:27] But alas I don't really be bothered that much to care in the grand scheme of things [13:55:01] [1/2] Maybe it doesn't handle subdomains properly? I suspect that most of the traffic comes from new qualitipedia but I don't know much about telepedia wikis. [13:55:01] [2/2] I doubt traffic numbers would affect anyone's decision in picking a host anyway. They're there mostly to convey a sense of scale. [14:32:02] It probably misses direct visits perhaps? Since I can't imagine whatever metric they're using has any way to track if someone just goes directly to a website [14:32:26] Phabricator.miraheze.org should have a billion visits! I religiously use that URL still [14:39:25] @posix_memalign dev:CSP Whitelist is hardly updated and protected from edit, so i suppose link to the puppet repo [14:40:40] https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/blob/main/modules/mediawiki/data/csp.yaml [17:38:03] It has a RUM feature where it adds a js snippet to gather the data and seperates it into a page views and visits section [17:38:21] eventually I'll replace it with matomo but my mind has been on other things lol [17:52:03] [1/2] :Pray: even the who knows who's socks that are TS banned from wikivy (ridiculous to TS ban for vandalism side note) know what's right in the world [17:52:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1483885713287020575/image.png?ex=69bc37c3&is=69bae643&hm=3b7e5384509b9f86fae8bbd458e373208d63e89480892a38f2a5b0ad4e7b705e& [21:35:36] [1/4] > For those that do have an open-source fork (e.g. PortableInfobox, DPL4, and TableProgressTracking), the Fandom version likely has more features and bug fixes. [21:35:36] [2/4] I'm genuinely not sure if this is true, since I remember Fandom being really buggy the last time I was editing on it (last year before the VLW migration), and a lot of these extensions don't work on their mobile view too. [21:35:36] [3/4] Also found this while I was googling about layoffs to see if I was remembering correctly that Fandom let go of staff recently: [21:35:37] [4/4] (Apparently the widespread layoffs weren't that recent; I was probably confusing it with the widespread resignations of community managers after their recent announcement to move further into AI generation for content...) [21:42:11] [1/2] Speaking of which, Fandom has, incredibly, only gotten worse since the mossbag video, so I do feel Some Kind of Way™ about trying to finagle some pros out of them when their ever growing cons keep rapidly getting outdated with new bad corporate decisions. There are a lot of great projects still on Fandom (our sister wikis are still there, and they clearly put a lot of work into main [21:42:12] [2/2] taining the wikis!), but that's imo in spite of the platform and not because of it. Calling Fandom "the devil" isn't a knock on those communities but on the corporate entity that controls the site, especially as they've continue to alienate even those who use to work/volunteer for them. [21:45:56] [1/2] fandom, the community: 👍 [21:45:57] [2/2] fandom, the company: >:( [22:02:50] Ah Nintendo [22:03:04] What a lovely company that shoots down fan works every second [23:04:39] [1/2] I'll make the language a bit more vague then. PI's GitHub README says "It may be a little more buggy :)" but it's hard to quantify how efficiently either extension fixes bugs. [23:04:39] [2/2] CA also did a rewrite of DPL so it probably diverged significantly from the original at this point. [23:17:15] [1/2] As for the layoffs, perhaps you were thinking about the [Wiki Specialist one](https://community.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000003867788)? It occurred January of this year. [23:17:16] [2/2] Would be nice if we collect some links to the various things happening on the platform, especially those after mossbag's video. [23:38:04] [1/2] In the discussion about how leaving Fandom could be worse, it might be worth mentioning licensing. Fandom wikis use CC-BY-SA 3.0 unless the wiki admins explicitly choose a different license. CC-BY-SA permits forking. [23:38:04] [2/2] On the other hand, NeoSeeker, Fextralife, and Reddit's "wiki" feature (if you can call that a wiki) use custom proprietary licenses, so forking may actually be illegal unless you get permission from every past contributor. [23:38:44] real gamers host their wikis on github [23:38:56] and not in the files but in their wiki feature [23:38:58] yes, they have one